nedflanders123

Few on here have any idea what AS has done re trying to sign experience for the team. We have no idea how many players agents have knocked us back. Also, it is likely that most top clubs and a few championship clubs can and have offered more in wages than we are willing to do. That ensures we remain solvent and live within our means. AS may have had a chance to bring in old pros but have you considered that he may have thought they weren't good enough for what this medium to long term plan is? Finally, citing Livvie is interesting as they appear to have spent a few bob to bring in players like Sibbald and hire Miller as player manager for example. With a very small core support, I wonder how they can afford to do this bearing in mind they have been in administration in the past. If you look around the clubs in our league then very few have splashed cash.

Club don't have to come out and tell us more likely we will find out when end of year financial year account is published.

Rugby Park pitch looks awful. Why are the SPFL allowing these pitches in top flight?

It is would have and not would of.

I know I shouldn't bite but why do you even bother? Every post you make is defeatist. You must stand on your head to produce a smile Elvis.

Like many on here, we have no idea how much time and effort AS is putting in to find the right and available strikers. He is aware of our deficiencies up front and is trying to resolve the situation. No doubt some of his targets have fallen through and he is pursuing others. He clearly has his eye down south and I would rather we were more patient to bring in the quality we need than repeat the folly of previous manager by signing players grossly overweight and/or not good enough at this level to boost numbers and keep fans happy. Stubbs knows the quality needed and will bring that in.

No way Hibs will let a potential £2m go down the drain. I still think he will go but the longer they hold onto him the less they will eventually accept as they get nervous about him leaving for nothing. Also, if John's head is turned will Hibs get the best out of him?

And yet, he's playing at Everton and not East Fife. Harry Kane was anonymous in the 3 post WC games including a sitter or two. If you watched him you wouldn't consider him that good yet look at his league performance. Hard to judge how any player will fit into a team - Mooy anyone?

I was there. What a night.

Gave them 2 goals of a start but 6-3 win against soaps at Crappielow on new years Day 1977

4 wins out of 37 and left with them 11 points adrift. Aye right. I am aware of the financial problems he had to bear but fantastic job?

I think there has been an exorcism and the spirit of Elvis (our No1 Victor Meldrew) has been placed in your body Billy. Lol

Lennon had a budget way above all other teams and he was always going to succeed in the domestic set up. When Hibs won the Championship they had a budget that no other club could compete with that allowed him to bring in premiership quality players. I think he has a good eye for a player but has succeeded when a budget is available.

Missed my point entirely. A lot of managers fail at one club but succeed at others. Tommy Craig was a shambolic decision by the old board. Lennon flopped at Bolton but has succeeded at Hibs (forget Celtic as a blind cat could succeed with the purse they had), McInnes bombed at Bristol City but has succeeded at Sheep. There is no guarantee that any manager selection will succeed - particularly at a provincial club such as ours with budget constraints and low wages. Time will tell if AS is a good manager or not and let's not forget Jackson and Rice's role in supporting him. Finally, I also think some of the criticism arising from Spartans and QP games should be levied at the players who irrespective of match fitness should be good enough to win those games.

Ok I will take the bait. Explain what this 'heavy price's has been? We are in July with new players getting fit and and early results in the LC haven't gone our way and squad is incomplete. Add in the loss of 4 key players and a new manager who has his own ideas on what we need to compete and I ask again, what is this heavy price you refer to. AS has had 3 competitive games and some want him sacked. It beggars belief. Am I happy with results? Nope. Am I prepared to give the man more time? Yes.

Billy how do we know things are not well behind the scene at our club?

As a player and coach. Jack was fairly inexperienced as a manager when he came to us. Why keep bringing up Rotherham? Did Hibs fans bring up Bolton when Lennon was appointed? Did Aberdeen fans bring up Bristol City when McInnes was appointed. Everyone deserves another chance and AS will be judged by what he achieves during his time as manager of St Mirren FC. As for Hamilton, let's just wait and see how they do. They have also had some crap results in the LC. BTW, Ross County - tipped by many to win the league had a night to forget against lower opposition last night. Early days and it's still July.

FWIW the feel good factor got a boot in the baws when JR decided to up sticks and leave along with the 4 key players you mentioned. That left the club with a chasm to fill and managerial choices were limited. JR was always going to be a hard act to follow based on his success but we will never know if he would have cut it at this level - he will have more cash at a bigger club now. Stubbs is experienced and well regarded and has a tough job. I think he needs to be given far more time to get the type of players he thinks are required and to develop a system that will have them playing the way he wants them to. There are no guarantees in the game and some players will succeed while others don't work out (as indicated by the number JR brought in and moved on). We have no idea what is going on behind the scene re AS trying to get players in. It appears that a number of his targets have not materialised (prob due to agents securing better deals) and it's not as easy as some think to get the quality you feel is necessary - we operate at a certain level. We also need to give the new guys time to adjust and get fit. People were raving about Coulson v Killie and how well the team performed. That shows there is talent there. Judging the manager and players before the paint on AS's door has dried is a bit premature imho. I will wait to see how the squad shape up over the next month or so before judging anyone.

Bloody hell Ricky don't encourage him.

Exactly, I recall calls from a number on here calling for Jack to be removed during his first 3-4 months. How much of a laughing stock would we be if we sacked our new manager before July was out. The league will determine our success as in staying up, the Betfred Cup is unlikely to adorn our trophy room again for a long time. Judge the manager when his squad is increased/improved and not before pre-season has finished.

Far too long in the tooth mate having been through the mill over 49 years of supporting. I might have had my torch and pitchfork 30 years ago but now too old, crabbit and used to the ups and downs at STMFC.

You are right Drew but that squad was knocked out of the LC, pumped by Thistle, Dundee and Ross County (?). Jack had assembled the nucleus over a longer period of time than Stubbs has had and didn't experience the loss of 4 key players. Not excusing the team performance or what appears to be some strange player recruitment by AS but I think we need to give AS more time to sort out the problems etc.

Don't forget Davies - cracking player

Magnus earlier.

There were 6 starters from Jack's team tonight with 2 of his used as subs.The loss of Smith, Morgan, Reilly and Davies has yet to be addressed.