Who's Attending Tonight's Meeting?

[steve_the_saint]

dave.j, everyone I spoke to after the meeting worked out who one of the bidders was based on the heavy hints. Are you seriously claiming that a sports journalist at The Herald can't put one and one together and follow through using their investigative journo bollox?

Because if there are confidentiality agreements then the parties involved aren't going to admit to anything. And Gmac will be left with printing "thought to be massone (for example) " , which doesn't confirm anything and leaves the fans in the same position they are now. It would also put Gmac in the bad books with the parties involved which wont be good for him.

[dave.j]

dave.j, everyone I spoke to after the meeting worked out who one of the bidders was based on the heavy hints. Are you seriously claiming that a sports journalist at The Herald can't put one and one together and follow through using their investigative journo bollox?

Sid, are you deliberatly playing dumb just to create an arguement which you know can't be resolved?

[St. Sid]

Because if there are confidentiality agreements then the parties involved aren't going to admit to anything. And Gmac will be left with printing "thought to be massone (for example) " , which doesn't confirm anything and leaves the fans in the same position they are now. It would also put Gmac in the bad books with the parties involved which wont be good for him.

Agreed.

[Isle Of Bute Saint]

I can understand why fans want to know who has put in an offer for the club. At the end of the day though men in sharp dressed suits are not going to come in and flash their own cash are they. They are going to want to get their investment back. That investment back can only come from one place the club. Money that will be starved from the team Business people are not charities ,

if we go down the road with outsiders coming in to buy the club it will lead us to a dark road that's my personal view.

Why oh why are you doubters out there not backing fan ownership. There was no dodgy talk last night at the meeting. Here we have a chance to secure the club in our name and make sure profits are put back into the club if there will be any at worst run the club the way it is being run now one penny in one penny out. Do you really want debt to be loaded onto the club ? You seriously think that someone living abroad is going to splash the cash.

[St. Sid]

I can understand why fans want to know who has put in an offer for the club. At the end of the day though men in sharp dressed suits are not going to come in and flash their own cash are they. They are going to want to get their investment back. That investment back can only come from one place the club. Money that will be starved from the team Business people are not charities ,

if we go down the road with outsiders coming in to buy the club it will lead us to a dark road that's my personal view.

Why oh why are you doubters out there not backing fan ownership. There was no dodgy talk last night at the meeting. Here we have a chance to secure the club in our name and make sure profits are put back into the club if there will be any at worst run the club the way it is being run now one penny in one penny out. Do you really want debt to be loaded onto the club ? You seriously think that someone living abroad is going to splash the cash.

LS, this isn't a magnificent seven movie despite Yul Brynners best attempts at making it so. There are no clear cut good guys / bad guys in this - although the consortium seem to be doing their best to join the dark side. No one is going to slate you for making a decision for complete your direct debit form, especially with the position the fans have now been put in by the consortium / 10000 Hours. Flip that the other way. You should show some respect for people that have made the effort to find out as much as they can about the CIC and dediced that it puts the club at risk.

It is now time for people to make their own decision based on their own understanding of this. There should be no more finger pointing by fans. No more petty bollox - like you'll be seething when this goes ahead. My thoughts are that we will quickly find ourselves in a position where membership of the CIC is no longer a matter of choice but a matter of survival for the club. Again fans will be stuck in a catch22 situation just as we are now. Fans that back it now will be faced with losing the money that they have already invested. The club will be at risk. The fans that currently have a choice will need to weigh in to save the club and other fans investments. There will be no "I told you so" nonsense at that point, just St Mirren fans trying to protect their club.

Look back at some of the bollox after last night. SMISA getting attacked by our own supporters as if there was some sort of victory over them last night. This isn't gunfight at the OM Corral or a Renfrewshire Cup Final where you can identify the good guys and the bad guys or the clean from the dirty. It's fans trying to make sense of a half told story. We could all end up paying for the decision that some fans make at this point in time, but if it all goes tits up the fans that are being slated now for not being sure about the risk will the the first to stand up and save the club.

I'm far from being against the CIC. I just won't make a commitment to a gamble that other fans may end up having to pay for. It is now down to individuals to make their choice now.

[Guest somner9]

Shame on those

LS, this isn't a magnificent seven movie despite Yul Brynners best attempts at making it so. There are no clear cut good guys / bad guys in this - although the consortium seem to be doing their best to join the dark side. No one is going to slate you for making a decision for complete your direct debit form, especially with the position the fans have now been put in by the consortium / 10000 Hours. Flip that the other way. You should show some respect for people that have made the effort to find out as much as they can about the CIC and dediced that it puts the club at risk.

It is now time for people to make their own decision based on their own understanding of this. There should be no more finger pointing by fans. No more petty bollox - like you'll be seething when this goes ahead. My thoughts are that we will quickly find ourselves in a position where membership of the CIC is no longer a matter of choice but a matter of survival for the club. Again fans will be stuck in a catch22 situation just as we are now. Fans that back it now will be faced with losing the money that they have already invested. The club will be at risk. The fans that currently have a choice will need to weigh in to save the club and other fans investments. There will be no "I told you so" nonsense at that point, just St Mirren fans trying to protect their club.

Look back at some of the bollox after last night. SMISA getting attacked by our own supporters as if there was some sort of victory over them last night. This isn't gunfight at the OM Corral or a Renfrewshire Cup Final where you can identify the good guys and the bad guys or the clean from the dirty. It's fans trying to make sense of a half told story. We could all end up paying for the decision that some fans make at this point in time, but if it all goes tits up the fans that are being slated now for not being sure about the risk will the the first to stand up and save the club.

I'm far from being against the CIC. I just won't make a commitment to a gamble that other fans may end up having to pay for. It is now down to individuals to make their choice now.

Re your quote in bold, Same on them, they should have been more careful what they wished for!

Given 10000 hours were happy to quote from a Smisa document last night are we to conclude they are happy to put saints fan, against saints fan if it helps their agenda at any cost???

The fans will see it for what it is/was. no more no less.

[Dibbles old paperboy]

I didn't think SMISA were attacked. As someone not involved with SMISA I am not aware of what the sticking points between them and 10000Hours are and I think RA was asked a question about SMISA's opposition / view on 10000 Hours during which he pointed out that SMISA have similar clauses in their own constitution to the clauses in 10000Hours draft constitution that they were concerned about. Lots of people laughed at that point and one person accused RA of humiliating (or trying to) SMISA. RA explained why it makes sense for SMISA and 10000 Hours to have those clauses in their constitution. RA also said that SMISA have been given the same level of information and detail as the Social funders BII who were going to put in £500k and he appreciated that SMISA had handled the info correctly, i.e. the info provided was confidential and could not at this stage be shared with the wider SMISA members and no one at SMISA had leaked anything. Later on RA also said that in the absence of an organised No campaign to the CIC he thought SMISA have played an important role in saying the CIC bid had to be scrutinised by the fans rather than blindly accepted and SMISA as a supporters body had behaved in the way that supporters groups should and seemed to welcome the robust questioning / policing of the CIC bid by SMISA but did say he thought some of the criticism seemed personal.

The impression I was left with was if the CIC does get the bid accepted then RA would be happy for all the previously confidential info given to SMISA's leadership to be shared with the wider membership who can then vote on whether they accept or not or want to negotiate further. It sounded like RA would like SMISA to be on board and the door is left open for them and that when you strip conspiracy theories away RA was saying one of the main issues between 10000Hours and SMISA was SMISA cannot commit their £50k without the full membership voting on the issue and 10000Hours could not allow SMISA to give out the detailed info to the membership to vote on because there have been other note of interest in buying the majority shareholding besides 10000Hours bid and some of the detail had to stay confidential.