General Election 8th June

[salmonbuddie]

One born of the eighties. Thatcher's Britain. Greed is good. For a labour party to get into power they had to become the tories. I am hoping the worm is turning but I can't see it happening. That's why we NEED self determination for, as a nation, we are different from those south of Hadrian's wall. We tend to have a social conscience. There are a few "Oakies" out there but, to my mind, they are the minority in our great nation.

I figured that out a long time ago, and I've consistently tried to spread that message for high on 40 years now. My first ever vote was the devolution referendum in 1979, we got screwed then and that set the precedent for the screwing of the people of Scotland that's been maintained ever since by Westminster and is currently being upheld by the "Scottish" unionist parties.

It has been really, really, heartening to see people finally understanding what I've been saying all that time.

[salmonbuddie]

Maybe it's because you've started using punctuation. [emoji4]

I never; stopped, using, punctuation!?!

[Hendo]

1 hour ago, mcdowell76 said:

My mother in law lived on benefits for the majority of her working life. She was on disability despite not having anything wrong with her.

I think she told them she had to put up with this massive pain in the arse since her daughter got married ...

[salmonbuddie]

Sorry, I should have added the word "correctly" to the end of my last post (before the full stop and after a space, obviously).

"...should've..." would sound so much better...

[salmonbuddie]

I don't have to read everything out loud so I didn't consider that. [emoji4]

First rule of writing - what does it sound like? Ya po faced twat.

See, that actually reads like it sounds...

[salmonbuddie]

First rule of writing - have something to write on and write with. [emoji4]

Tablets of stone? Like Moses got? Virtual pen and paper every time - end result's the same, though, express your thoughts. There are some on this thread who don't appear to have any, though. Depressingly.

[Guest TPAFKATS]

Theresa May really is toxic
https://www.indy100.com/article/british-fighters-syria-isis-kurds-ypg-jeremy-corbyn-vote-labour-election-2017-7771246

[oaksoft]

2 hours ago, stlucifer said:

One born of the eighties. Thatcher's Britain. Greed is good. For a labour party to get into power they had to become the tories. I am hoping the worm is turning but I can't see it happening. That's why we NEED self determination for, as a nation, we are different from those south of Hadrian's wall. We tend to have a social conscience. There are a few "Oakies" out there but, to my mind, they are the minority in our great nation.

That is total bollox. The country is full of Oakies or we would have a Holyrood Parliament full of elected hard core socialists.

You are seriously delided if you think we are a socialist nation by ANY stretch of the imagination.

Oh and BTW you should be embarassed talking about Thatcher. We are almost 30 years past that now.

[oaksoft]

27 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said:

Theresa May really is toxic
https://www.indy100.com/article/british-fighters-syria-isis-kurds-ypg-jeremy-corbyn-vote-labour-election-2017-7771246

I'm sorry but WTF??? 

[oaksoft]

2 hours ago, salmonbuddie said:

 

Having said that, the real question we need to ask is "What kind of society are we living in where we need foodbanks at all?"

 

A society which cares enough to do something about those who inevitably will fall through ANY welfare net any government, either left or right, could conceivably construct.

We should be proud of these banks.

Without them, people living chaotic lives would be in serious trouble.

Edited June 4, 2017 by oaksoft

[Guest TPAFKATS]

I'm sorry

It's a start...

[oaksoft]

3 hours ago, insaintee said:

wow talk about missing the point! 

That's life is correct, the reason people on minimum wage need to use food banks is life. Mishaps of this and a hundred other examples happen to us all. For example I might be having to shell out 1500 to take a case to industrial tribunal. I'm fine that won't be a problem, but I'm not on minimum wage. The tories are responsible for making a system where large numbers of people have no financial reserves and only a very minor knock pushes them over the edge. 

 

Sorry bud, I just dont agree.

People should be able to pay their own way and be able to put something away for a rainy day using the figures I presented earlier. It is not the fault of the Tories if they choose to blow every last penny every single week. I am still waiting for someone to explain how any government can prevent someone misspending their own money.

[Guest TPAFKATS]

I am still waiting for someone to explain how any government can prevent someone misspending their own money.

No one will explain it as you are the only one who claims this happens, you attention seeking sociopath.

[oaksoft]

2 hours ago, salmonbuddie said:

 

I figured that out a long time ago, and I've consistently tried to spread that message for high on 40 years now. My first ever vote was the devolution referendum in 1979, we got screwed then and that set the precedent for the screwing of the people of Scotland that's been maintained ever since by Westminster and is currently being upheld by the "Scottish" unionist parties.

It has been really, really, heartening to see people finally understanding what I've been saying all that time.

 

Oh come on the Scottish people are not being screwed.

The vast majority of Scots are doing perfectly well thanks as evidenced by high levels of well paid satisfying work, exceptionally high house prices, the vast array of those ridiculous brand new 4x4 thingies, caravan sites packed to the rafters with bought £40k caravans, etc etc etc. The list is endless.

Very few people are in the situation you are talking about.

[oaksoft]

4 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said:

No one will explain it as you are the only one who claims this happens, you attention seeking sociopath.

Eh? You reckon there is not a single person in this country who mismanages their money? 

If you want to talk like a teenager, Pie and Bovril has a forum just for you. Its mainly adults on here and we tend not to talk to others like that.

Edited June 4, 2017 by oaksoft

[Guest TPAFKATS]

Eh? You reckon there is not a single person in this country who mismanages their money? [emoji38]

I didn't say that. Re-read your own post that I responded to.

You are Stuart Dickson.

[oaksoft]

Just now, TPAFKATS said:

I didn't say that. Re-read your own post that I responded to.

You are Stuart Dickson.

Away and play with other people. I am not interested.

[Guest TPAFKATS]

Away and play with other people. I am not interested.

Stop responding then. I've got you on ignore for a reason you twat.

[salmonbuddie]

Oh come on the Scottish people are not being screwed.

The people of Scotland have been screwed by Westminster for decades and it continues to happen. It takes our earnings, gives us back pocket money and tells us we should be grateful for its generosity.

Very few people are in the situation you are talking about.

"Very few" is still too many.

[RickMcD]

12 hours ago, oaksoft said:

That's a fair point.

Take the single person on £1200 because this is the worst case for a person on minimum wage full time permanent job.

The average cost of a flat is about £400 to £500 across much of the country.

If you want to live in the city that might cost a bit more but then you balance that by having no travel costs.

On the whole though, this is your baseline cost.

I pay £88 in total for gas and electricity per month for a pretty large house so a flat probably only needs £40 to £60 per month in total.

Happy to go with £60 for the sake of example.

Right now we are at about £560 plus perhaps £50 per month for bus travel so we are now at about £610.

Rent and bills have taken up about half your income leaving £600 for food and everything else for the month.

Under these circumstances I cannot see any case for blaming the Tories if you can't feed yourself for that amount.

I reckon your food bill should be no more than £100 per month. I feed my entire family on about £200 per month.

More than willing to be shown to be wrong about any of this but someone really needs to explain why we are worrying about this category of person when tye should clearly be capable of feeding and housing themselves without further help. There is no excuse for this type of person bleating about the Tories.

For families the rent will be a bit higher but the amount of tax credits can be around an additional £800 per month depending on circumstances.

Think you make some fair points and can't disagree with most of your figures. However, you say you feed your entire family on about £200 per month. Really? Even if you have what used to be called a gentleman's family (wife and two weans) you must be pretty frugal. If you only eat spam and chips every day, it would be difficult enough. For some reason I wouldn't be surprised if you're vegetarian and maybe that would make it affordable. A decent takeaway for a family of four, costing say £30, would knock a hole in your budget. Do you allow for treats now and again? I'm not saying you've lied about your expenditure but it points to austerity gone mad. Vegetarians do apparently contribute more to greenhouse gas emissions so maybe I'm wrong about you being vegetarian. You wouldn't want to fart more than we meat eaters. Would you?

[Isle Of Bute Saint]

Can May do a speech without looking at a written version ? Robotic rhetoric. 

[oaksoft]

6 hours ago, RickMcD said:

Think you make some fair points and can't disagree with most of your figures. However, you say you feed your entire family on about £200 per month. Really? Even if you have what used to be called a gentleman's family (wife and two weans) you must be pretty frugal. If you only eat spam and chips every day, it would be difficult enough. For some reason I wouldn't be surprised if you're vegetarian and maybe that would make it affordable. A decent takeaway for a family of four, costing say £30, would knock a hole in your budget. Do you allow for treats now and again? I'm not saying you've lied about your expenditure but it points to austerity gone mad. Vegetarians do apparently contribute more to greenhouse gas emissions so maybe I'm wrong about you being vegetarian. You wouldn't want to fart more than we meat eaters. Would you?

I am not including takeaways because those are treats. It is absolutely possible to comfortably feed a family for £200 per month without being overly frugal. It works out at about £6.30 per day.

There are tons of websites out there showing how to do it.

Oh and I am not vegetarian either. FFS man wash your mouth out . Euch!

Edited June 5, 2017 by oaksoft

[oaksoft]

8 hours ago, salmonbuddie said:

The people of Scotland have been screwed by Westminster for decades and it continues to happen. It takes our earnings, gives us back pocket money and tells us we should be grateful for its generosity.


"Very few" is still too many.

 

I know that first argument, I used to use it myself.

I am separating the state from the individual and the overwhelming majority of Scots do not wake up every morning feeling like that.

I would agree with your last sentence but it is not possible for this number to become zero. At this point, in the majority of remaining cases we have crossed the boundary between state responsibility and personal responsibility.

[Bud the Baker]

Got an election leaflet through the door - Only a vote for Ruth Davidson's candidate can stop the SNP in Ayr!

Have the Conservatives renamed themselves?

Am I missing something, 'cos I don't consider her an asset? I understand the bulk of Unionist votes going to the Tories now after all it's in their full name (Conservative & Unionist) but I struggle to see her as the reason, I reckon the votes would've gone there anyway. There's a thin mask that she managed to keep through the 2015 campaign when the Tories were an irrelevance, but it doesn't take much probing for a much nastier side to be revealed.

I'm a Nat but wondering if a moderate Tory success in Scotland 3-5 and the inevitable deification of RD would be a good thing for Independence in the long run.

Ruth Davidson's candidate - FFS! 

[oaksoft]

1 minute ago, Bud the Baker said:

Got an election leaflet through the door - Only a vote for Ruth Davidson's candidate can stop the SNP in Ayr!

Have the Conservatives renamed themselves?

Am I missing something, 'cos I don't consider her an asset? I understand the bulk of Unionist votes going to the Tories now after all it's in their full name (Conservative & Unionist) but I struggle to see her as the reason, I reckon the votes would've gone there anyway. There's a thin mask that she managed to keep through the 2015 campaign when the Tories were an irrelevance, but it doesn't take much probing for a much nastier side to be revealed.

I'm a Nat but wondering if a moderate Tory success in Scotland 3-5 and the inevitable deification of RD would be a good thing for Independence in the long run.

Ruth Davidson's candidate - FFS! 

Alex Salmond pulled the same stunt.

I didnt like it when he did it either.

It just pisses people off because it is arrogant and presumptious.

How can Ruth's advisors not know this?

Beggars belief.

Edited June 5, 2017 by oaksoft