St. Sid

smcc, the offence being taken is selective. As I pointed out fans abuse fellow fans on a daily basis. Where a post is deemed offensive there are many options open to moderators.....the simplest being deleting the post. Instead they opted to highlight the post by demanding evidence and then made a big hoo-hah about banning "charles". Have we seen anything like that before in around about ten years of the inter-fan abuse that makes B&WArmy what it is? It's all 10000 hrs politics by the 10000 hrs online marketing team. It might have been interesting to hear from "Charles" why he appears to have taken issue specifically with pozbaird. Now we'll never know.
The bottom line is that 10000 hrs is a highly emotive subject that divides the support. The behaviours by 10000 hrs have been pish poor; however the behaviour of 10000 hrs online marketing team is becoming increasingly defensive and frankly worrying. We already know that 10000 hrs are being economical with the truth, so the chances of fan input into the running of the club are already low. Are fans also going to have a second level of resistance to information / input to the running of the club through the political actions of the 10000 hrs online marketing team.
The defensive response to the term "10000 hrs online marketing team" exemplifies this. I actually think that the 10000 hrs online marketing team has been very successful. REA with the assistance of B&WArmy identified a few of the busier fans on the Internet and asked for their support in getting the 10000 hrs message out there. That has been a huge success to the tune of over a 1000 fans investing their tenner a month not to mention some investing £3000 up front on top of their tenner a month. Why be defensive about that?
I have noted your own posts on the fishal site and you pretty much jump on anything negative said about 10000 hrs. You rarely offer any supporting information for you attacks on the posters trying to raise their concerns. 10000 hrs put together a team to defend any criticism of their ever changing plan. It was worth allowing them some time to try and restructure their plan; however the plan is now shit and ALL fans should be trying to get more information - instead we have silence and anyone challenging 10000 hrs for information is shot down with no information being offered......result = frustration & fall outs.
Time 10000 hrs showed us the money or f"k'd off out of our club.

Doctor Wong.
He's also my G.P. from the Barrhead Health Centre.
He has Saints Calender and Saints mousemat in his Surgery.

I came back online this evening to find about 47 likes from BtB...he's easily pleased.

Who is the asian chap that was wearing a suit and running about with a big black case.....looked like a bookie.

I know...its the 10000 hrs online marketing team. The offline marketing team is Chic Young, GMac and the bawbag in the PDE......Real Radio declined the offer.

I unveiled my identity many years ago Drew....including via the medium of mainstream TV on Pie & Bovril. I did note that a few weird 10000 hrs online marketing types did start using the name John as if it would in some way result in curbing my concern over the ability of 10000 hrs to deliver financial sustainability to the club. It did make me giggle every time I seen it. However, it does exemplify the silly behaviour of the 10000 hrs online marketing team. Funnily enough they didn't do that when I was part of the 10000 hrs online marketing team.

I've seen nothing but rubbish posts in relation to 10000 hrs from you smcc. In fact I don't think I have seen a post from you anywhere else on the forum - nothing wrong with that. However, even on 10000 hrs you never actually post any information or even opinion....you just pop up every now and then to post inane drivel like that above.
Still no one is posting anything about the financial viability of the 10000 hrs scheme. Instead its the usual..people are posting concerns about the CIC and its no fair, they must be bad people bollox.
Let's see your explanation of the financial viability of 10000 hrs and how it will manage any cashflow issues at the club - cos they certainly shat it (conveniently) when it came to the potential cashflow issues in relation to newco scumgers. Or will you just choose to feign offence instead.

Then surely his inability to respond dealt with the issue. Everyone would read it as the allegation being untrue. No need to ban anyone as the issue was resolved. I have someone slabbering shite about me on a daily basis....the latest was some bollox about someone speaking to a suit at the club who says I am a pain in the arse. That one is amusing to me on a number of levels.....firstly it was an alleged opinion from a tie wearing wanker at the club and secondly it is very likely that the "suits" might well be annoyed with me.....I called their scaremongers as shite and was proven correct. If they don't like that f"k them and their pay-off.
There was no need to challenge anyone at the club or the poster - cannae even mind who it was....no need to report it and certainly no need to concern myself with damage to my reputation. I'm a St Mirren fan, nothing more....I pay a few quid to go to games and am known to get pished at some games ant worry too much about making a bawz of myself whether it be online or offline.
At what point did B&WArmy members start becoming concerned about damage to their "reputations" furfuxake. Its an unofishal forum and exists to provide a bit of pre- and post-match fun for St Mirren daft nutters.
All the "reputation" bollox started when it started to be used as a vehicle for 10000 hrs. They've got their own site now. If they don't like the light hearted discussion on an unofishal forum then they shouldn't read it. Same as any other thread.

Couldn't care less about this shower of shite any longer.

Always going to be the case really. I think you have to enjoy it for what it is. If you go back to 4 or 5 years ago and were told of a situation were scumgers got booted to the 3rd division for cheating you'd have been forgiven for thinking the chap proposing such a scenario was aff his heid. Sadly, the joyousness of such a scenario is dampened by the sad reality that they will be back in no time at all in football terms and if we thought grotna was sickening scumgers progress up the leagues is going to be a helluva lot worse. Not so sure I fancy getting them in the cup either.

Given that you post on here anonymously, how could anything posted on here possibly affect your personal or professional reputation as referred to in the Defamation (Scotland) Act 1954 (as amended)?

We're sort of in agreement.....it is the nature of the engagement with fans that has been the issue. Assuming that assumptions about the engagement with community groups, corporate targets, social funders, etc has actually been any better. Remember that hasn't been a rip roaring success either - in fact their only success appears to have been with the fans despite the poor communication.

No complaints on the perthshire aliases.
I do think you should take a wee bit of time to consider "Charles" - dunno why you have chosen to use his real name, if this is his real name. Part of the fun of the forum is anonymity and if you intend to start blowing peoples aliases out of the water whenever it suits you it will remove part of the fun of an unofficial forum.
If anything your response to an alias called DickSlexia is over the top. Nobody was paying any attention to it. I never even noticed it until pozbaird spat the dummy out about it. It will now be one of the most talked about topics offline. Dunno why anyone would react to a poster called "Dickslexia" as being a serious slander on them.
Like I say everyone is concerned about what is going on with 10000 hrs one way or another and frustrations and emotions are running high, hence statements like "I take great offence to that". There is no offence intended and I suspect you will know that if you consider it for all of two seconds.

Not early on....they did quite a bit of work with initial engagement with supporters associations, supporters buses, selected fans and then at public meetings. At that point they were apparently also involved with numerous community groups and of course the corporate members......
The social funders didn't come to fruition....it was the last the supporters buses heard from them....SMiSA famously complained about being left without responses to their concerns for months, which they duly got an apology for.......the community groups have all but disappeared from communication regarding the CIC and the corporate members turned their backs on it when asked to pay £25K.
We have never seen any of the social funders attend a meeting.....no corporate supporter has broken cover - commercial confidentiality......it looks like a house of cards built on scaremongering fans into direct debits and worse £3K for a 1987 membership. Beyond that I see no substance or financial backing for the scheme.

Personal squabbles and St Mirren fans getting banned from THE FANS forum......supporters haven't caused this, it is the selling consortium and 10000 hrs. And still no argument being made in defence of the the scheme.
The issue is not how fans are treating each other...the issue is how the selling consortium and 10000 hrs are treating the fans. The frustrations on both side of the selling consortium / 10000 hrs created divide are getting higher as peoples concerns are not being addressed - that applies to fans that have signed up as well as fans that haven't. We are all fans and all concerned about the future of the club. There will be fans that let their frustrations get the better of them.
I don't think isolating them from the debate does fan unity any favours. Making the 10000 hrs Q&A on the fishal site read only was also an own goal.
The last communications from 10000 hrs have been scaremongering about administration and redundancies straight after scaremongering about foreign bidders to try and ramp up the dd mandates. SInce then we've had an update that failed to register an apology to the fans that were concerned by the level of scaremongering not to mention the fact that many fans feel they were actively misled by the selling consortium and 10000 hrs.
Fans are still concerned about the level of funding available to support the club, but nothing is said in defence of that. That is hardly providing any comfort or relief for fans genuinely concerned about the future of their club. I remember when the CIC was supposed to be all about the fans and the community and growing SMFC. Now it appears to be a power grab with the fans being the last consideration on the minds of 10000 hrs.
This site has a long and proud history of speaking out when the fishal site was trying to gag any negativity towards the SMFC Boardroom. Are we starting to see B&WArmy become the fishal site for the 10000 hrs Boardroom?
Pozbaird is a ginger - I'm sure he's had worse than a lightweight accusation about "lining his pockets". Give a fellow St Mirren supporter a one week ban and explain why the comment was unacceptable....if he comes back again and repeats the allegation then ban him......from the follow up it looks like no one is taking it seriously...no harm done.
Even even keeled supporters like NorthEndSaint are starting to become frazzled by the 10000 hrs bollox. Better everyone is allowed to vent online within reason.
I said it a long time ago...the fans need leadership at this point and all they have is silence - it was the same when SG refused to comment on scumgers...when he did it was met with great applause....sadly we were soon to discover the reality behind the silence.....what reality lurks behind the silence of 10000 hrs. I'm very concerned about what 10000 hrs could do to the club. Others will be the same. Attacking people for having concerns about their club......not the type of leadership I am looking for from 10000 hrs.

Does he shave your butt cheeks while you're on all fours?

Does he shave your butt cheeks while you're on all fours?

Does he shave your butt cheeks while you're on all fours?

You were previously banned for abusing other forum members, as you well know.
You can abuse me as much as you like, I couldn't care less.

Give me a shout if you need a loan of a pen.

They are not 10000 hrs. 10000 hrs are a group from Ayrshire who are using fans money to buy the club. Initially their plan was to use mainly social funding in the form of a grant backed by 350 fans at a tenner a month...community groups at £500-a-year and then corporate backers at £10,000-a-year. Fans were bit part players along with the community groups and 10000 hrs were a seperate overarcing Board with full financial control of the club.
First the social funders decided the business plan was dodgy and ditched 10000 hrs. The plan changed and GLS appeared on the scene with a "donation" scam. The scam at that point was to leverage "conditions" from Bii to ensure 10000 hrs retained control of the club, with GLS getting his share of the power. The commercial / corporate investment failed.
Now you have fans completely funding the scheme, and yet still fans are the least powerful group in the scheme. 10000 hrs are not the fans investing in it. 10000 hrs are the people using "conditions" of their social banker Bii to take control of the club.
As for creating divisions in the support....somner9 didn't create the 52% shareholding, nor has he swallowed all the bollox marketing blah-blah or scaremongering being put out by the Ayrshire Group and their online marketing team.
Phase 1 was a half decent plan based on an inward investment of £750K from the social funder. We were told it was a done deal...we even had all the shite about checking texts / email at the public meeting. Since then it has been a desperate scramble to try and gain control of our club by any means possible. This has included scaremongering about foreign bidders and worse trying to support newco back into the SPL.
Mildly amusing that St Mirren fans accuse other St Mirren fans of trying to be divisive when a MINORITY of St Mirren fans are trying to deliver control of our club to non-St Mirren fans that have scaremongered ALL fans and employees of the club, and who went completely against fans wishes to try and support the newco to at best sate its social banker.
Selling consortium = divisive
10000 hrs = divisive
Time for supporters to be unified. That is not what 10000 hrs is offering.
10000 hrs talked about growing the club...now it won't even bother its arse to explain how it will be able to afford to run the club, never mind grow it. The numbers don't work....three attempts at raising the finances haven't worked.....none of the REA initiatives appear to have worked. The constitution is a bag of shite from a supporters perspective and not too clever from the club's perspective. The business plan to date has been about raising enough money to buy the club and never got beyond that point - the business plan has failed to deliver anywhere near its required targets three times now. At the moment that matters not a f"k as it is nothing more than a fanciful idea. If this deal goes ahead the club will be depending on these jokers delivering a salient business plan. Failure to deliver on their business plans - which don't even appear to exist as yet will very likely mean the end of SMFC.
That's not being divisive, that is being a supporter concerned about the future of our club.

He's always been a member.

Not an ex-porker as far as I'm aware.....however he is a foreign worker taking British jobs so I'm guessing you'll have your EDL mob on his case.

animal is looking appropriately furtive in that pic.

Cnut you stole my punchline......we've gone from £750K grant money + another 5 or 6 social investors to Bii, the social enterprise equivalent of Shopacheck.