Stuart Dickson Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 You just can't take a telling, can you? You haven't proved me wrong - infact just the opposite. Sturgeon has said she'll be looking to form an alliance with Welsh and Northern Irish separatists and Green activists who are radically opposed to the idea of increasing oil extraction in the North Sea and on the Continental Shelf. A alliance of the lunatics The Scottish voter would be better voting directly for the party it wants to form the next Westminster government, not some proxy parasite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Sorry? Did you forget this? http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/26/ukip-first-scottish-seat-european-elections The SNP and Labour battle splitting Scottish "Socialist" votes is the single biggest threat to allowing UKIP to take a number of Scottish seats in the General Election. It's also the case that for the SNP to be effective in a Westminster Government the party will have to forge alliances and as we learned from the Hydro rally the SNP are looking to form a "progressive alliance" with the likes of the Greens, Plaid Cymru and Sinn Fein - all of whom would be more likely to form a coalition government with the Labour Party. Scots would be better not wasting their vote on the SNP in the General Election. If you don't want a Conservative Government vote Labour, if you don't want a Labour government vote Conservative - otherwise you will simply land up feeling sold out by your party leaders as the Lib Dems felt after the last General Election Ukip seems to be splitting to Tory vote dramatically in England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 This fixation on UKIP is AWFY like the 'unstoppable tsunami' that was going to sweep Scotland to freedom. It won't happen. Too many people are too comfortable to take a leap into the future on a one-trick pony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 If I don't want labour or tory to form the next gov, why the f**k would I vote for them. Similarly, if I think wee dougie Alexander is a slimy backstabbing expenses thief, why would I vote for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 If I don't want labour or tory to form the next gov, why the f**k would I vote for them. Similarly, if I think wee dougie Alexander is a slimy backstabbing expenses thief, why would I vote for him. But you would vote for an SNP candidate who will operate an a political alliance with Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness? And you'll vote for a party who can never form a UK Government in a UK election? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 You haven't proved me wrong - infact just the opposite. Sturgeon has said she'll be looking to form an alliance with Welsh and Northern Irish separatists and Green activists who are radically opposed to the idea of increasing oil extraction in the North Sea and on the Continental Shelf. A alliance of the lunatics The Scottish voter would be better voting directly for the party it wants to form the next Westminster government, not some proxy parasite Sigh! OK I'll have a wee go. Let me make this as abundantly clear as I possibly can. It's an utter irrelevance to Scotland who gets into power at Westminster because we'll get whoever England wants regardless. It is our sole duty as voters therefore to vote for the party we think is most likely to fight for Scotland. Now if you are suggesting, and I think you are, that the parties who are best at fighting for Scotland are either Labour or Tories then I have to throw back my head in a theatrical pose and do the following........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 But you would vote for an SNP candidate who will operate an a political alliance with Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness? And you'll vote for a party who can never form a UK Government in a UK election? There's a point your trying to make here. You're hiding it well though. Care to elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Bundy Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 But you would vote for an SNP candidate who will operate an a political alliance with Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness? And you'll vote for a party who can never form a UK Government in a UK election? Oh Dear, The Wishaw W@nker typing his hatred and spouting his Bile of anything Nationalist. Misogyny, Bigotry, And Racism coming from the Self proclaimed Unionist NawBag ? what a Hand Job Specialst you are ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Bundy Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 But you would vote for an SNP candidate who will operate an a political alliance with Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness? And you'll vote for a party who can never form a UK Government in a UK election? Oh Dear, The Wishaw W@nker typing his hatred and spouting his Bile of anything Nationalist. Misogyny, Bigotry, And Racism coming from the Self proclaimed Unionist NawBag ? what a Hand Job Specialst you are ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Sigh! OK I'll have a wee go. Let me make this as abundantly clear as I possibly can. It's an utter irrelevance to Scotland who gets into power at Westminster because we'll get whoever England wants regardless. It is our sole duty as voters therefore to vote for the party we think is most likely to fight for Scotland. Now if you are suggesting, and I think you are, that the parties who are best at fighting for Scotland are either Labour or Tories then I have to throw back my head in a theatrical pose and do the following........ Before the referendum you moaned that Scotland had to "suffer" UK governments that we didn't vote for. Now you're advocating voting for a party who can never form a UK Government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) Do you not vote for a party that will never form a Scottish government in a Scottish election? Going by your "logic", everyone should either vote RedTory or UKIP-lite in a UK election. Now tell us all who it was who negotiated with the likes of Adams and McGuinness in the past when they were deemed terrorists. Now that they are official representatives of their constituencies, nobody's to talk to them? And, besides that, I thought Sinn Fein never took up their seats in the commons so how can anyone form an alliance with them there. There's only two parties in with a chance of forming a UK Government. One is Labour, the other is Conservative. The other parties are protest parties - as they've always been. The last General Election showed us the effect of voting for the protest parties. The Conservatives won the most seats but couldn't form a government until the Lib Dems - who hardly anyone voted for - made up their mind about whether they wanted to form a coalition with the ousted Labour Party or not. That is anti-democratic and of course we've seen the consequences of that play out over the last four years. The Lib Dems are now roundly despised even by those who used to be in their own party and not many who voted for them last time will be so stupid next time. This is one General Election where the population of the UK should consider what they want. Do they want 5 years of a Conservative Government, economic and political stability, continued falling unemployment and growing wealth and prosperity? If they do then they should vote Conservative. If they want 5 years of increasing taxation, massive economic waste and a political leader that could be ousted by Alan Johnston or Yvette Cooper whenever the Unions feel like it then they should vote Labour. All of the other parties have no relevance, no authority, and no chance of power so why piss away your vote on them? It's no surprise that you've got no issues with the SNP forming an alliance with terrorists. You defended McAskills decision on Al-Megrahi, Alex Salmonds support for the likes of Putin and Slobodan Milosavic, and the SNP adoption of Robert Mugabe policies with regards to forced sale of land and property to tenants. It'll be no surprise to anyone who knows the history of the SNP, of SNP Leader Andrew Dewer Gibbs speach to his party in 1939 when he spoke in favour of supporting Adolf Hitler or that the much quoted nationalist poet Hugh MacDairmid argued in the 1920's the Mussolini was showing Scotland the correct path to the future, in the 30's that Nazism should be the model for the SNP and for an Independent Scotland and who in the late 40's argued that Stalinist USSR was a better model for a Nationalist Scotland. No surprise also to those who know that the SNP were behind the formation of the Scottish fascist paramilitary organisation Clann Albain in 1929. Edited November 25, 2014 by Stuart Dickson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 You missed out that it was an Unionist MP, Archibald Ramsay that was interred during the second world war and attempted to repeal the legislation giving jews full civil rights. He founded the Right Club who's members including himself were jailed for opposing the war and for acts of treason. PS the SNP wasn't formed until 1934 so how could it be behind a formation of an organisation in 1929. Look at you, letting facts get in the way of a good rant. Shame on you....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Before the referendum you moaned that Scotland had to "suffer" UK governments that we didn't vote for. And that will never change whilst we are in the UK. In the meantime, the only option available to me is to vote for the party who will fight hardest for Scotland's interests. If anyone genuinely thinks this is either the Tories or Labour then they weren't paying attention during the referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a50lennyc Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 The long slow goose step to fascism begins here... Sorry, but that's what the 55% voted against back in September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a50lennyc Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 And that will never change whilst we are in the UK. In the meantime, the only option available to me is to vote for the party who will fight hardest for Scotland's interests. If anyone genuinely thinks this is either the Tories or Labour then they weren't paying attention during the referendum. You talk about "Scotland's interest" as if the whole of Scotland has the same collective interests. We don't. Personally, I vote for who will fight for MY interests the hardest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a50lennyc Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Whichever one you choose, it's nice to know that you're still an idiot. From the guy who thought that the main source of government debt came from premium bonds. You've long since been sussed ernie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Like shooting fish in a barrel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 You talk about "Scotland's interest" as if the whole of Scotland has the same collective interests. We don't. Personally, I vote for who will fight for MY interests the hardest. I think you need to define , what is meant by "Scotland's interests" because you clearly have a misunderstood or you have an entirely missing definition on the phrase. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) And that will never change whilst we are in the UK. In the meantime, the only option available to me is to vote for the party who will fight hardest for Scotland's interests. If anyone genuinely thinks this is either the Tories or Labour then they weren't paying attention during the referendum. It certainly won't if you continue to waste your vote on a single issue party who can only ever gain a maximum of 45 seats in a parliament with 650. The Scottish people made it clear just two months ago that we didn't want independence. It's time you accepted the democratic will of your countrymen and voted for a party and MP's who were willing to do their best for the nation on the whole, and not just some deluded fud who isn't going to be allowed to vote in over 60% of the legislative debates by his own single issue party. Edited November 25, 2014 by Stuart Dickson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) I have a dilemma - no, it's not whether to vote for dicko's choice of the establishment parties that are running scared. No, my dilemma is whether to go to the effort of picking apart his post point by point, including the misogyny... Or save the time and effort and just laugh while muttering insults like what an arsehole? Edited November 25, 2014 by TPAFKATS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 The Scottish people made it clear just two months ago that we didn't want independence. It's time you accepted the democratic will of your countrymen and voted for a party and MP's who were willing to do their best for the nation on the whole, and not just some deluded fud who isn't going to be allowed to vote in over 60% of the legislative debates by his own single issue party. No idea what your talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a50lennyc Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Its hilarious when you quickly scan ernie's posts. such long laborious posts pontificating utter drivel Ernie thinks that the main source of government debt is premium bonds. He cant even calculate simple percentages. he's a laughing stock! laughing at you Ernie, laughing at you your desperate reply wont be read Ernie boy so wipe those tears from your face Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Its hilarious when you quickly scan ernie's posts. such long laborious posts pontificating utter drivel Ernie thinks that the main source of government debt is premium bonds. He cant even calculate simple percentages. he's a laughing stock! laughing at you Ernie, laughing at you : your desperate reply wont be read Ernie boy so wipe those tears from your face : I reckon it is about time for you to "reinvent" yourself again . Your current persona has now gone the same way as all the others , you dumped. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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