faraway saint Posted March 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Dinnae need my sleeping tablets now. Zzzzzzzzzz Great thread.......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 The only thing outnumbering the medical experts on this thread are the legal experts and the morally outraged. FFS what a bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 The only thing outnumbering the medical experts on this thread are the legal experts and the morally outraged. FFS what a bunch. Indeed, why don't you start a thread about how badly women are treated? You couldn't make it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 If it doesn't matter why she was taking it why doesn't she come out and say she was using it to enhance her performance?Mibees she wasn't? Has anyone asked her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 The only thing outnumbering the medical experts on this thread are the legal experts and the morally outraged. FFS what a bunch. There are a few offside experts also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Indeed, why don't you start a thread about how badly women are treated? You couldn't make it up. You've lost it, women are pampered to some tune. Someone should start a thread about why men are so badly treated they die before women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 There are a few offside experts also. Name them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 But caffeine was once in the banned list and is currently monitored (meaning it could be banned in future again). Its cheap and widely available. If caffeine is banned sometime in the future does that mean that all athletes who currently drink 2 or 3 cups of coffee are cheating? in what quantities was caffeine banned? I'm willing to make an uniformed guess that there was a threshold limit that would have exceeded normal levels in the odd cup of coffee The substance in question is not available in many countries outside of eastern europe and russia. If sharapova was healthy and got a doctor to prescribe this on a fictitious medical need then of course it was cheating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Name them. Sorry got that wrong you're the only expert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mc Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 A liar more than anything else desperately trying not to minimise the impact on her sponsorship income. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/maria-sharapova-meldonium-manufacturer-claim-normal-course-lasts-four-to-six-weeks-not-10-years-a6918996.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) A liar more than anything else desperately trying not to minimise the impact on her sponsorship income. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/maria-sharapova-meldonium-manufacturer-claim-normal-course-lasts-four-to-six-weeks-not-10-years-a6918996.html No real debate then, cheat. Oops, sorry, unfair advantage over other players who don't cheat. Edited March 8, 2016 by faraway saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 in what quantities was caffeine banned? I'm willing to make an uniformed guess that there was a threshold limit that would have exceeded normal levels in the odd cup of coffee The substance in question is not available in many countries outside of eastern europe and russia. If sharapova was healthy and got a doctor to prescribe this on a fictitious medical need then of course it was cheating. Nah, still isn't cheating unless she gets the therapeutic exemption. However as the substance wasn't banned by WADA, she didn't need one... Where do you draw the line about unfair advantage and 'cheating'? WADA and governing bodies draw it simply at not using a banned substance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Katharine Merry ✔@KatharineMerry Let me tell you what I am sick of hearing about...athletes taking medicines for conditions they don't have...it is wrong Aye, wrong, but not cheating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Katharine Merry ✔@KatharineMerry Let me tell you what I am sick of hearing about...athletes taking medicines for conditions they don't have...it is wrong Aye, wrong, but not cheating. Glad you've got it, finally.That'll Katherine Merry blackballed by a lot of her fellow team gb athletes ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 I find it amazing that some people seem to automatically think, that just because she is rich and has the money to bribe a doctor if she wanted to, that she doesn't have a medical condition that warrants the drug in question. I don't know if she has or not and neither does anyone else on here. FFS, the drug makers say that a course of 4-6 weeks, possibly 2-3 times a year is sufficient IF anyone had a condition that required treatment. I find it amazing you seem to be ignoring this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 (edited) How often did she take it? Game, set and match. Edited March 9, 2016 by faraway saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Nah, still isn't cheating unless she gets the therapeutic exemption. However as the substance wasn't banned by WADA, she didn't need one... Where do you draw the line about unfair advantage and 'cheating'? WADA and governing bodies draw it simply at not using a banned substance. So you are saying a healthy person, taking a drug over a 10 year period, that is recommended not for therapeutic use but to manage symptoms, prescribed by a "family" doctor outside the US where she has lived for many years is not chaeting simply because the drug is not banned? That is deliberate obfuscation. If there is cheating, it occurred, until the start of this year, in the obtaining of the drug and not in the taking of it. If she is proved to have a heart defect then it is not cheating, if she she has been healthy for all of that time then it is cheating because she has declared that she needs the drug to manage a heart problem. The head of UK anti-doping last night poured scorn on her assertion that she needed the drug for health reasons. I would trust his judgement more in these circumstances. What will be interesting will be the list of people who have obtained a medical exemption since the start of the year, we could be talking about some of the fittest heart patients ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Glad you've got it, finally. That'll Katherine Merry blackballed by a lot of her fellow team gb athletes ;-) What's that got to do with her point? I mean, you and the rest of the gang are on ignore, my "see it anyway" choice is doing overtime this weather, does that mean your opinion is worth nothing.................................wait, I see a flaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 (edited) So you are saying a healthy person, taking a drug over a 10 year period, that is recommended not for therapeutic use but to manage symptoms, prescribed by a "family" doctor outside the US where she has lived for many years is not chaeting simply because the drug is not banned? That is deliberate obfuscation. If there is cheating, it occurred, until the start of this year, in the obtaining of the drug and not in the taking of it. If she is proved to have a heart defect then it is not cheating, if she she has been healthy for all of that time then it is cheating because she has declared that she needs the drug to manage a heart problem. The head of UK anti-doping last night poured scorn on her assertion that she needed the drug for health reasons. I would trust his judgement more in these circumstances. What will be interesting will be the list of people who have obtained a medical exemption since the start of the year, we could be talking about some of the fittest heart patients ever seen. Cheating means breaking the rules.If she didn't break any rules prior to jan 16 she wasn't cheating. Not saying it's right or wrong ethically. Edited March 9, 2016 by TPAFKATS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Amazing how many people have found her guilty without the decency of a trial. Amazing how many of them have previously slaughtered others for indulging in the same nonsense. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. At least that SHOULD be the rule we live by. Unless you live in Arbroath apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 (edited) Amazing how many people have found her guilty without the decency of a trial. Amazing how many of them have previously slaughtered others for indulging in the same nonsense. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. At least that SHOULD be the rule we live by. Unless you live in Arbroath apparently. She's been banned, ya trumpet. Banned = guilty. She even held a press conference saying she was guilty. What a buffoon you are. Edited March 9, 2016 by faraway saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Cheating means breaking the rules. If she didn't break any rules prior to jan 16 she wasn't cheating. Not saying it's right or wrong Serious point-dodging going on here. There is a suspicion on the part of people who know the score (UK head of AD) that she obtained prescription meds without there being a medical need. As previously stated, the substance was banned because of it's performance-enhancing properties and the suspicion that it was being misused by tennis players. As I said, any cheating is in the obtaining rather than in the taking-until the ban. I still suspect that everyone who was using it prior to December probably continues to use it under a therapeutic exemption. How can heart patients stand up to the rigours of top-flight tennis? Taking this point as an example, it is clear that there is probably no major athletic sport that is even half-way clean at the top level. In essence, we are all being cheated as fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Serious point-dodging going on here. There is a suspicion on the part of people who know the score (UK head of AD) that she obtained prescription meds without there being a medical need. As previously stated, the substance was banned because of it's performance-enhancing properties and the suspicion that it was being misused by tennis players. As I said, any cheating is in the obtaining rather than in the taking-until the ban. I still suspect that everyone who was using it prior to December probably continues to use it under a therapeutic exemption. How can heart patients stand up to the rigours of top-flight tennis? Taking this point as an example, it is clear that there is probably no major athletic sport that is even half-way clean at the top level. In essence, we are all being cheated as fans Pretty much what's been said throughout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 She's been banned, ya trumpet. Banned = guilty. She even held a press conference saying she was guilty. What a buffoon you are. I don't remember her admitting she was guilty of cheating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 I don't remember her admitting she was guilty of cheating. Oh dear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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