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5 hours ago, faraway saint said:

Keir Starmer isn't really my cup of tea but the new Scottish labour guy, Sarwar, comes across to me as pretty bright and personable. 

Obviously a long way to go after they, Labour, have dropped over the years but he can take them in the right direction, comparatively speaking. 

I'm unsure TBH, I'll take a coin with me next week, that's always the way to cast my vote. 

Me too I'm still undecided, 

Not sure who'd be the best choice to take us forward and make the right decisions for Scotland and it's people 🤔 

It's a tough choice

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Keir Starmer isn't really my cup of tea but the new Scottish labour guy, Sarwar, comes across to me as pretty bright and personable. 
Obviously a long way to go after they, Labour, have dropped over the years but he can take them in the right direction, comparatively speaking. 
I'm unsure TBH, I'll take a coin with me next week, that's always the way to cast my vote. 
"Sir" Keir Starmer to the likes of us, never forget the "Sir" part. "Sir" anything in charge of the Labour Party, think about that for a minute. The original Labour Party Keir will be spinning in his grave.

Sarwar in Scotland, the millionaire whose family don't pay their workers minimum wage. Wonder if they think he's "bright and personable"? Never mind, I'm sure he has the founding values of Labour at his core and sending his children to private school is a reflection of those values.

Is it any wonder we refer to Labour as Red Tories these days?
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Thinking about all of this, has there ever been a time in living memory where the quality of politicians to choose from has been so dire?

Other than Sturgeon, there isn't a single leader of any other major party worth a button. Maybe Patrick Harvie would escape that criticism but that's it. Then you add in Trump, Biden, Macron, Putin and that prick in charge of Brazil to the mix globally. Then chuck in a pandemic and these were/are the people we have trying to fix it all. It's all pretty depressing if you let it get to you.

If there's been a time where we've had worse politicians than this lot then I'm all ears.

Will be interesting to see what turnout we get next week. I expect it to be low.

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58 minutes ago, salmonbuddie said:

"Sir" Keir Starmer to the likes of us, never forget the "Sir" part. "Sir" anything in charge of the Labour Party, think about that for a minute. The original Labour Party Keir will be spinning in his grave.

Sarwar in Scotland, the millionaire whose family don't pay their workers minimum wage. Wonder if they think he's "bright and personable"? Never mind, I'm sure he has the founding values of Labour at his core and sending his children to private school is a reflection of those values.

Is it any wonder we refer to Labour as Red Tories these days?

You'd prefer if everybody was poor? 😂

If I could have afforded it I'd have sent my children to private school as I believe it would have given them a better education and a better chance in life, my bad. 🙄

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23 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Thinking about all of this, has there ever been a time in living memory where the quality of politicians to choose from has been so dire?

Other than Sturgeon, there isn't a single leader of any other major party worth a button. Maybe Patrick Harvie would escape that criticism but that's it. Then you add in Trump, Biden, Macron, Putin and that prick in charge of Brazil to the mix globally. Then chuck in a pandemic and these were/are the people we have trying to fix it all. It's all pretty depressing if you let it get to you.

If there's been a time where we've had worse politicians than this lot then I'm all ears.

Will be interesting to see what turnout we get next week. I expect it to be low.

The turnout in the last few Scottish election had been just over 50%.

Don't expect this 1 to be any different. 

Half the voters in the country don't vote, so i expect half the country shouldn't moan about the running of the country. 

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23 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

You'd prefer if everybody was poor? 😂

If I could have afforded it I'd have sent my children to private school as I believe it would have given them a better education and a better chance in life, my bad. 🙄

Well I'll jump in here...

1. No I'd prefer it if everyone was paid a fair wage, and in the case of Sarwar's company not an illegal & unfair one.

2. It's a fair POV but you can't hold it and say you believe in levelling up society - which is the charge levelled against Sarwar, who is the leader of a political party that is, the last time I looked, notionally Socialist.

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5 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

Well I'll jump in here...

1. No I'd prefer it if everyone was paid a decent wage, not an illegal & unfair one..

2. It's a fair POV but you can't hold it and say you believe in levelling up society.

What, exactly, do you want me to do to level up society?

What do you actually do to level up society? 

Life's hard, harder for some, I look after my own, there's too many issues for me to be worrying about every day of my life. 

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9 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

What, exactly, do you want me to do to level up society?

What do you actually do to level up society? 

Life's hard, harder for some, I look after my own, there's too many issues for me to be worrying about every day of my life. 

Vote for a progressive party.

I'll vote SNP (constituency) & Green (List) next week - I'd vote Green at Constituency level too if they had a chance of winning.

You worry enough to comment about it and complain about policies that might cost you money but would arguably be a benefit to society as a whole like free broadband. 

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30 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

Vote for a progressive party.

I'll vote SNP (constituency) & Green (List) next week - I'd vote Green at Constituency level too if they had a chance of winning.

You worry enough to comment about it and complain about policies that might cost you money but would arguably be a benefit to society as a whole like free broadband. 

Aye arguably.

You conveniently, forgot free bikes. 

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2 hours ago, salmonbuddie said:

"Sir" Keir Starmer to the likes of us, never forget the "Sir" part. "Sir" anything in charge of the Labour Party,

Appointed Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath (KCB) in the 2014 New Year Honours for "services to law and criminal justice". The knighthood entitles him to be styled as "Sir Keir Starmer"; however, he prefers that people do not use the title "Sir".

think about that for a minute. The original Labour Party Keir will be spinning in his grave.
You mean this (racist) guy?

Keir Hardie, in his evidence to the 1899 House of Commons Select Committee on emigration and immigration, argued that the Scots resented immigrants greatly and that they would want a total immigration ban. When it was pointed out to him that more people left Scotland than entered it, he replied, "It would be much better for Scotland if those 1,500 were compelled to remain there and let the foreigners be kept out... Dr Johnson said God made Scotland for Scotchmen, and I would keep it so." According to Hardie, the Lithuanian migrant workers in the mining industry had "filthy habits", they lived off "garlic and oil", and they were carriers of "the Black Death".[26]

In 1908, when visiting South Africa, he said the Socialist movement stood for equal rights for every race but that "we do not say all races are equal; no one dreams of doing that"

Sarwar in Scotland, the millionaire whose family don't pay their workers minimum wage. Wonder if they think he's "bright and personable"? Never mind, I'm sure he has the founding values of Labour at his core and sending his children to private school is a reflection of those values.

Is it any wonder we refer to Labour as Red Tories these days?

 

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30 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Aye arguably.

You conveniently, forgot free bikes. 

What's wrong with free bikes for poor kids?

A huge step forward in social fairness and a great incentive towards living a healthy life-keeping some cars from doing the meaningless school run to boot.

It's a great idea.

To argue against free access to the internet, greatest benefit  of which will be to connect poorer families up to a wealth of information and support, would be the same as arguing against free books for schoolchildren and free libraries when they were the main access route to life-changing information and education.

The modern world is moving fast and it is right that we take steps to make sure that poorer kids don't get left behind.

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I didn't say he was perfect...



Seriously, though, this is about Starmer and Sarwar, heads of the party supposedly representing "the common people". How about addressing that instead.
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You'd prefer if everybody was poor?
If I could have afforded it I'd have sent my children to private school as I believe it would have given them a better education and a better chance in life, my bad.
Where did I say that?

Socialism, which this pair is supposed to represent, isn't hard or complicated (to me anyway), it's the battle to attain four things:

Equal access to education for all (get rid of private schools)
Equal access to healthcare for all
A roof over everyone's head (that wants one)
No-one going hungry

I'm not blaming him for using private schools, I get it, I understand it, I might have done it myself for my son if I could've. It's the hypocrisy of doing that and leading Labour I don't have any time for.
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1 hour ago, beyond our ken said:

What's wrong with free bikes for poor kids?

A huge step forward in social fairness and a great incentive towards living a healthy life-keeping some cars from doing the meaningless school run to boot.

It's a great idea.

To argue against free access to the internet, greatest benefit  of which will be to connect poorer families up to a wealth of information and support, would be the same as arguing against free books for schoolchildren and free libraries when they were the main access route to life-changing information and education.

The modern world is moving fast and it is right that we take steps to make sure that poorer kids don't get left behind.

Why only "poor" kids? 

Social fairness, a fecking free bike? :lol: 

You are more than naïve if you believe free bikes will stop the school run. 

Let's be realistic about free broadband, I'll help you here, the vast majority of children for the vast majority of time do not use the internet for "information or support" and, again, why only free broadband for "poor" people?

Where do we stop this free handouts, which only reinforces families that are already entrenched is the social security system, that you can get stuff without any effort or hard work.

Also, how poor do you need to be be to get this free stuff? 

Nothing is for "free" so the money has to come from somewhere, at the expense of other "stuff". 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, salmonbuddie said:

"Sir" Keir Starmer to the likes of us, never forget the "Sir" part. "Sir" anything in charge of the Labour Party, think about that for a minute. The original Labour Party Keir will be spinning in his grave.

Sarwar in Scotland, the millionaire whose family don't pay their workers minimum wage. Wonder if they think he's "bright and personable"? Never mind, I'm sure he has the founding values of Labour at his core and sending his children to private school is a reflection of those values.

 

I'm assuming you don't have kids.

Surely you wouldn't drastically reduce their life choices based on your political principles? What kind of person does that to their own kids?

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I'm assuming you don't have kids.
Surely you wouldn't drastically reduce their life choices based on your political principles? What kind of person does that to their own kids?
Well done on not reading my posts, far less understanding them.
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5 hours ago, salmonbuddie said:

'm not blaming him for using private schools, I get it, I understand it, I might have done it myself for my son if I could've.

 

Just now, salmonbuddie said:
2 hours ago, oaksoft said:
I'm assuming you don't have kids.
Surely you wouldn't drastically reduce their life choices based on your political principles? What kind of person does that to their own kids?

Well done on not reading my posts, far less understanding them.

I noticed earlier, what a walloper. :lol:

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1 hour ago, salmonbuddie said:
3 hours ago, oaksoft said:
I'm assuming you don't have kids.
Surely you wouldn't drastically reduce their life choices based on your political principles? What kind of person does that to their own kids?

Well done on not reading my posts, far less understanding them.

So you WOULD send your kids to private school.

So why the hell are you having a go at him for doing it when you would do exactly the same?

It's just this sort of plastic lefty nonsense which attracts ridicule.

BTW, I DID read your post and I DID understand it. What I didn't do was read your subsequent post first. Compared to your utter rank hypocrisy, I believe I can live with my failing.

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So you WOULD send your kids to private school.
So why the hell are you having a go at him for doing it when you would do exactly the same?
It's just this sort of plastic lefty nonsense which attracts ridicule.
BTW, I DID read your post and I DID understand it. What I didn't do was read your subsequent post first. Compared to your utter rank hypocrisy, I believe I can live with my failing.
And there's the "not understanding" part. Between this and Peter Weir you're having a mare, oaky, stop while you're behind.
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