Dibbles old paperboy Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Stuart Dickson said: That's as much of a newspaper as Der Sturmer was in the 1930's. f**k sake Dibble ... your OP sites the Daily Record as its source! Apart from Paul English there is hardly a decent journalist at the paper! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Just now, Dibbles old paperboy said: ... your OP sites the Daily Record as its source! Apart from Paul English there is hardly a decent journalist at the paper! I appreciate the Record is a low quality newspaper, but despite it's political leanings it's never been the propaganda rag that the National is. You'd be as well quoting Wings Over Scotland for all this is worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 32 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Yes please. Imagine person A is, to all intents and purposes, in complete financial charge of 2 people with person B issued pocket money by A and told to spend that specific amount of money. If person B spends less than money issued they are castigated (as you in fact did when the SG announced an underspend recently) . They have almost no ability to spend more than the amount allocated. Person A however is an idiot. He has miscalculated and run up a debt of around £14 billion and only tells person B this once person B starts to make noises about running their own affairs. Why on earth would person A running up this sort of debt be a solid case for him being the only sensible candidate to continue running the finances of person B? Why would this "blow person B out of the water"? Explain that and I will be very happy. Person B is in trouble because his party made bold predictions on oil revenue in it's White Paper for Independence and today, clear as anything, we can see just how badly Person B f**ked his sums. It's probably just as well the SNP moved Swinney to another department, cause he'd have to resign. The SNP case for independence is in the bin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Just now, Stuart Dickson said: I appreciate the Record is a low quality newspaper, but despite it's political leanings it's never been the propaganda rag that the National is. You'd be as well quoting Wings Over Scotland for all this is worth Dear oh dear, The Record has never been a propaganda rag?! Does it not tell voters to vote Labour on the day of every election? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 19 minutes ago, Dibbles old paperboy said: Dear oh dear, The Record has never been a propaganda rag?! Does it not tell voters to vote Labour on the day of every election? Dibble, there is a difference between an editorial and the newspapers whole agenda. There's no attempt at neutral reporting by The National. It's a nationalist rag with a clear objective to spread nationalist propaganda. If you want a comparable UK rag you'd be looking at the Morning Star or Socialist Worker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 The Daily Record, a bastion of neutral reporting. He's flogging the whole Carlsberg / irony thing to death... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Zippy Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Predictable the the loony Yooniex are wanking themselves to death over a report which was commissioned by a rabid Thatcherite in Ian Lang which was designed in an attempt to thwart devolution and make Scotland look bad economically. Where I will criticize the Scottish Government is that they have missed the opportunity to come up their own annual report as a rebuttal to this in a pitch to the electorate making a significant play on onshore growth which has been conveniantly omitted by the pro Unionist rags. And anyway, oil is a commodity not a dependable necessity but trying telling that to idiots like Dicko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 38 minutes ago, Stuart Dickson said: Dibble, there is a difference between an editorial and the newspapers whole agenda. There's no attempt at neutral reporting by The National. It's a nationalist rag with a clear objective to spread nationalist propaganda. If you want a comparable UK rag you'd be looking at the Morning Star or Socialist Worker. The article I posted was written by one of the former leading Tory journalists in Scotland... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, Dibbles old paperboy said: The article I posted was written by one of the former leading Tory journalists in Scotland... I don't know her or what her politics used to be, but it's fairly clear where she makes her money these days. As a freelance journalist she clearly makes her money publishing nationalist propaganda. I suppose it's a bit like that Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh. She was initially a Tory and stood for election in Govan, attacking Alex Salmond's stance on the Kosovo War, then she joined the Labour Party and then defected to the SNP having clearly decided that was the best route for her to gain a financially rewarding career in politics. It's funny how principles can be bought and sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, Stuart Dickson said: I don't know her or what her politics used to be, but it's fairly clear where she makes her money these days. As a freelance journalist she clearly makes her money publishing nationalist propaganda. I suppose it's a bit like that Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh. She was initially a Tory and stood for election in Govan, attacking Alex Salmond's stance on the Kosovo War, then she joined the Labour Party and then defected to the SNP having clearly decided that was the best route for her to gain a financially rewarding career in politics. It's funny how principles can be bought and sold. When did Michael Fry have a sex change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 After 300 odd years of this union, around 20 of which has involved Scotland having its own parliament and these figures being based on Scotland having no tax raising powers; you really do have to wonder just how Westminster managed to ruin Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 2 hours ago, Stuart Dickson said: Person B is in trouble because his party made bold predictions on oil revenue in it's White Paper for Independence and today, clear as anything, we can see just how badly Person B f**ked his sums. It's probably just as well the SNP moved Swinney to another department, cause he'd have to resign. The SNP case for independence is in the bin. None of which explains the size of the deficit or answers the question I asked. Want to try again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 What did the UK Treasury predict income would be from oil for this same period? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Zippy Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Its funny its 'Scotland's oil' when the price has plummeted. Wonder who's it will be when prices climb and we are being clobbered in the forecourts as a result. Didn't hear a murmur then with regards the latter. Funny that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 2 hours ago, Dibbles old paperboy said: When did Michael Fry have a sex change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 10 minutes ago, The Real Zippy said: Its funny its 'Scotland's oil' when the price has plummeted. Wonder who's it will be when prices climb and we are being clobbered in the forecourts as a result. Didn't hear a murmur then with regards the latter. Funny that. What the f**k are you blabbering about now? Alex Salmond was busy telling us all it was Scotlands Oil in the last Independence Referendum. I don't remember much argument over the geographical claim being made from any side. Salmond claimed Scotland must be the first country ever to have been "cursed" with oil. Well it looks like he was partly right. It's the Scottish National Party that was cursed with oil cause it's their woeful predictions that have killed their argument for independence forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Funny how that other oil rich country across the North Sea with a population just over 5 million isn't f**ked by a falling oil price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Zippy Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Its noticeable that Stuart is one of these gullible Yoonies that eager swallows everything that the Yoonie press comes out with as gospel. He ignores the previous point about GERS being the brainchild of an arch Thatcherite and that oil is a commodity not a dependable necessity. And does he realise that Scoland only receives 2% of the overall Treasury take which equates to 1.8bn..So when, as the Yoonie media claims, we have lost 97 per cent of oil revenues, weigh that 97 per pf that 1.8bn against Scotlands total GDP of 250bn then it debunks the myth that Scotland is an oil dependent nation. Nothing is perfect, far from it but the country is not the economic basket case the likes of Andrew Neil makes us out to be. Oh and did I mention that onshore growth of 1.9bn earlier? Just thought I would throw that in for posterity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Zippy Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Tony - the COUNTRIES across the North Sea (Denmark and Norway) aren't f**ked because they aren't wedded to a Union thst squandered an asset to assist illegal wars, a so called nuclear deterrent that will never5 be used and London centric projects that don't benefit the people of this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 2 hours ago, Stuart Dickson said: What the f**k are you blabbering about now? Alex Salmond was busy telling us all it was Scotlands Oil in the last Independence Referendum. I don't remember much argument over the geographical claim being made from any side. Salmond claimed Scotland must be the first country ever to have been "cursed" with oil. Well it looks like he was partly right. It's the Scottish National Party that was cursed with oil cause it's their woeful predictions that have killed their argument for independence forever. Do you think that repeating this nonsense is going to magic it to be true? The £15 billion hole has NOT been caused by oil. Why on earth are you claiming it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 35 minutes ago, The Real Zippy said: Tony - the COUNTRIES across the North Sea (Denmark and Norway) aren't f**ked because they aren't wedded to a Union thst squandered an asset to assist illegal wars, a so called nuclear deterrent that will never5 be used and London centric projects that don't benefit the people of this country. Although it could be argued that London-centric projects DO benefit the majority of the people in this country. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Zippy Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Because the buckled Nazis at The Daily Heil told him.and the rest of its moronic readership told him so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 http://www.thenational.scot/comment/michael-fry-controversial-financial-figures-are-failing-to-give-true-picture-of-taxes-and-expenditure-in-scotland.21580 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 1 hour ago, oaksoft said: Do you think that repeating this nonsense is going to magic it to be true? The £15 billion hole has NOT been caused by oil. Why on earth are you claiming it is? Sorry what? It's not been caused by falling tax revenues from the oil industry? What has it been caused by then? Oaksoft, if you had your way and Scotland had voted to be independent what would you have scrapped? Pensions? Benefits? The NHS? Free Education? Cause trust me most of them would have been completely unaffordable today had we not been part of the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Scottish independence is finished. Those figures are absolutely devastating news for separatists.I would like to thank all my fellow no voters for saving Scotland from bankruptcy. We did the right thing, and thank goodness! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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