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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59840524

 

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The UKHSA analysed more than 600,000 confirmed and suspected cases of the Omicron variant up to 29 December in England.

It found that a single vaccine dose reduced the risk of needing hospital treatment by 52%. Adding the second dose increased the protection to 72%, although after 25 weeks that protection had faded to 52%.

And two weeks after getting a third dose, that protection against hospitalisation was boosted to 88%.

 

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"This analysis shows you are up to eight times more likely to end up in hospital as a result of Covid-19 if you are unvaccinated."

 

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A second study, carried out with Cambridge University, confirmed that the risk of going to A&E or being admitted to a hospital ward after catching Omicron was roughly half that of the older Delta variant.

It also found that the risk of hospital admission alone with Omicron was approximately one-third of that for Delta.

Susan Hopkins, chief medical adviser at UKHSA, said the data was "in keeping with the encouraging signs we have already seen".

However she said it was too early to draw any conclusions on how severely ill in hospital people could be with Omicron compared to Delta.

She added: "The increased transmissibility of omicron and the rising cases in the over 60s population in England means it remains highly likely that there will be significant pressure on the NHS in coming weeks.

 

 

 

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I read something along these lines the other day but it didn't have any numbers.

Other countries have produced data noting the same phenomenon of "incidental" COVID cases. In data published Friday by the UK National Health Service, 33% of the 8,321 COVID-positive cases in England on December 28 were admitted to the hospital for a different reason.

Since all hospital admissions are tested for COVID-19, Fauci said, many are "hospitalized with COVID, as opposed to because of COVID." The real reason for hospitalization might be "a broken leg, or appendicitis, or something like that," he continued.

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Who'd have thunk it........................

Those experts argue that the US has reached a stage in the pandemic where reports of dramatic surges in case counts prompt unnecessary worries and that government officials and the public should instead review death and hospitalization data when considering precautions.

Case counts “are causing a lot of panic and fear, but they don’t reflect what they used to, which was that hospitalizations would track with cases”, said Dr Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease specialist and professor of medicine at University of California, San Francisco.

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Latest figures show the omicron variant has led to one person in Scotland requiring intensive care, and no deaths.

With figures like that, it's easy to see why the government have felt further restrictions were necessary 🤣

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1 hour ago, Hendo said:

Latest figures show the omicron variant has led to one person in Scotland requiring intensive care, and no deaths.

With figures like that, it's easy to see why the government have felt further restrictions were necessary 🤣

Aye, but, but, just wait...................no sure how long, but keep waiting. :wink:

TBH you'll find some scientist/expert saying the worst is yet to come................................no wonder people are confused and concerned. 

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6 hours ago, Hendo said:

Latest figures show the omicron variant has led to one person in Scotland requiring intensive care, and no deaths.

With figures like that, it's easy to see why the government have felt further restrictions were necessary 🤣

You could  argue that the restrictions have been highly complimentary to the booster programme and led to the reducing +ve rate.

But don't lose sight of the increasing hospitalisation of the over 60s and the resulting stresses on the hospitals when so many staff are isolating.

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26 minutes ago, beyond our ken said:

You could  argue that the restrictions have been highly complimentary to the booster programme and led to the reducing +ve rate.

But don't lose sight of the increasing hospitalisation of the over 60s and the resulting stresses on the hospitals when so many staff are isolating.

You could but with no evidence that would be an argument you were unlikely to win. (I mean the restrictions, I agree wholeheartedly about the booster programme)

As for "increasing hospitalisation of the over 60s" the graph below is showing the ages/admissions in Scottish hospitals.

I wouldn't suggest the over 60's are no better/worse than other age ranges, in fact that age range has seen a slight drop.

Oh, I agree 100% the UNNECESARY isolating period is causing serious issues. 

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41 minutes ago, beyond our ken said:

You could  argue that the restrictions have been highly complimentary to the booster programme and led to the reducing +ve rate.

But don't lose sight of the increasing hospitalisation of the over 60s and the resulting stresses on the hospitals when so many staff are isolating.

Of course NS will claim this so she can be seen to have made the right choices - look at how successful the booster programme and restrictions have been. The flaw in this argument, though, is it is total bollocks. 

The vaccine doesn't stop transmission though certainly against previous more sinister variants did reduce the risk of serious illness greatly. There is absolutely zero evidence that either measure has reduced serious illness against omicron, as opposed to the more likely explanation, that omicron is benign and no more dangerous than a normal winter bug that we all pick up from time to time. The scale of over reaction on this is mental.

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Admissions into English hospitals up 68%.

Over 20,000 cases reported in Scotland. 1031 in hospital due to recently contracted Covid.

Looks like make or break this week.

In other news, I will be the sole member of staff out of five, in my department, going back to work on Wednesday. I can't wait.:lol:

Also, I was in a Paisley hostelry today for a quiet, socially distanced pint. The barman said they had completely sold out of all but three of their ten draught beers/ciders, and had no bottles at all left in their fridges. Said they had a great Hogmanay. Good news!

 

 

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Admissions into English hospitals up 68%.
Over 20,000 cases reported in Scotland. 1031 in hospital due to recently contracted Covid.
Looks like make or break this week.
In other news, I will be the sole member of staff out of five, in my department, going back to work on Wednesday. I can't wait.
Also, I was in a Paisley hostelry today for a quiet, socially distanced pint. The barman said they had completely sold out of all but three of their ten draught beers/ciders, and had no bottles at all left in their fridges. Said they had a great Hogmanay. Good news!



Place doesn't sound well run.

Empty fridges when they could have went to bookers for stock.

No wonder pubs are shutting.
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5 hours ago, faraway saint said:

You could but with no evidence that would be an argument you were unlikely to win. (I mean the restrictions, I agree wholeheartedly about the booster programme)

As for "increasing hospitalisation of the over 60s" the graph below is showing the ages/admissions in Scottish hospitals.

I wouldn't suggest the over 60's are no better/worse than other age ranges, in fact that age range has seen a slight drop.

Oh, I agree 100% the UNNECESARY isolating period is causing serious issues. 

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Both charts have the same date  but different  results?

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This chart of 31/12 shows low numbers  of over60s having the New TodayNew Today (Per 100k Pop)Past 7 DaysPast 7 Days (Per 100k Pop)In TotalIn Total (Per 100k Pop)

1,080
846
1,613
4,573
2,935
550
252
98
0-14
15-19
20-24
25-44
45-64
65-74
75-84
85+
Chart: 31/12/2021  Source: PHS  Get the data  Created with Datawrapper
 
 
 

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12 hours ago, Slarti said:
12 hours ago, waldorf34 said:
Both charts have the same date  but different  results?

One says "new admissions THIS week", the other says "new admissions LAST week".

And both are dated 22/12 which is nearly 2 weeks ago.

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