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6 hours ago, portmahomack saint said:

No wonder the SNP are winning in a canter if that's the kind of shite the opposition are putting up against them :lol: 

Mibbie some people, well, quite a lot of people, can think for themselves.

The Scottish public’s views on independence are on a “knife-edge” with support for a Yes vote at 49% and No on 51%, a new opinion poll suggests.

The poll of more than 2,000 Scots, commissioned by Lord Ashcroft, found the Yes and No camps are effectively in a “statistical dead heat” when undecided voters are excluded.

It also found 49% are likely to vote SNP in the constituency ballot in the upcoming Holyrood election - giving Nicola Sturgeon's party a three-seat majority.

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9 hours ago, portmahomack saint said:

No wonder the SNP are winning in a canter if that's the kind of shite the opposition are putting up against them :lol: 

The problem the SNP have is that anything short of a full majority is going to look like failure and might well kill any chance of a referendum being allowed.

It really is an incredibly ridiculous situation to be in but that's the reality.

Any gloating from the opposition should be tempered with the realisation that it could well be decades before the SNP lose power at Holyrood and IMO that challenge will end up coming from the Greens as environmental issues start to dominate the middle years of the century.

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7 hours ago, oaksoft said:

The problem the SNP have is that anything short of a full majority is going to look like failure and might well kill any chance of a referendum being allowed.

It really is an incredibly ridiculous situation to be in but that's the reality.

Any gloating from the opposition should be tempered with the realisation that it could well be decades before the SNP lose power at Holyrood and IMO that challenge will end up coming from the Greens as environmental issues start to dominate the middle years of the century.

Funny enough the SNP environmental issues is one of their successes

They will need to up their game on povety and home issues

Far from being a canter

Too many stauch followers in the country who won't change their mind

SNP are seen as a Sinn Fein type of party

People do vote on depending on what team they follow

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1 hour ago, windae cleaner said:

Funny enough the SNP environmental issues is one of their successes

They will need to up their game on povety and home issues

Far from being a canter

Too many stauch followers in the country who won't change their mind

SNP are seen as a Sinn Fein type of party

People do vote on depending on what team they follow

They really need to up their game on everything IMO.

Personally  I don't think they're doing enough on anything. Some of that is down to us being limited by Westminster controlling us though (poverty for example). Independence would remove that as an excuse I suppose.

There seems to be a bit of sluggishness to them at the moment. We saw this with Labour up here and it killed them in the end.

Still SNP for me as regards my voting but I went Green on the list this time (postal vote sent in last week).

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1 hour ago, windae cleaner said:

Funny enough the SNP environmental issues is one of their successes

They will need to up their game on povety and home issues

Far from being a canter

Too many stauch followers in the country who won't change their mind

SNP are seen as a Sinn Fein type of party

People do vote on depending on what team they follow

Lots of reasons that not everybody who has seen Braveheart wants to leave the UK, pointing a a few groups is pretty pointless as EVERYBODY, no matter what team they follow, is entitled to a vote.

Anyhow, it seems the recent euphoria by some, slavering about "free in 23" :lol: is petering out......................

Nicola Sturgeon has backed away from her threat to hold a new independence referendum this year as a new poll showed support for leaving the UK had fallen to its lowest level in 18 months.

 

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13 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Lots of reasons that not everybody who has seen Braveheart wants to leave the UK, pointing a a few groups is pretty pointless as EVERYBODY, no matter what team they follow, is entitled to a vote.

Anyhow, it seems the recent euphoria by some, slavering about "free in 23" :lol: is petering out......................

Nicola Sturgeon has backed away from her threat to hold a new independence referendum this year as a new poll showed support for leaving the UK had fallen to its lowest level in 18 months.

 

The reason i mentioned that group is

They are in no man land

The Tories with Johnston and Ross are making a pigs ear of things(Their words)

SNP no go ,a vote for Republicism

Labour starting to look favourite but don't like the look of the leader

Decisons

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6 minutes ago, windae cleaner said:

The reason i mentioned that group is

They are in no man land

The Tories with Johnston and Ross are making a pigs ear of things(Their words)

SNP no go ,a vote for Republicism

Labour starting to look favourite but don't like the look of the leader

Decisons

Keir Starmer isn't really my cup of tea but the new Scottish labour guy, Sarwar, comes across to me as pretty bright and personable. 

Obviously a long way to go after they, Labour, have dropped over the years but he can take them in the right direction, comparatively speaking. 

I'm unsure TBH, I'll take a coin with me next week, that's always the way to cast my vote. 

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1 hour ago, faraway saint said:

Lots of reasons that not everybody who has seen Braveheart wants to leave the UK, pointing a a few groups is pretty pointless as EVERYBODY, no matter what team they follow, is entitled to a vote.

Anyhow, it seems the recent euphoria by some, slavering about "free in 23" :lol: is petering out......................

Nicola Sturgeon has backed away from her threat to hold a new independence referendum this year as a new poll showed support for leaving the UK had fallen to its lowest level in 18 months.

 

Yeah that's all a bit disappointing, I blame it mostly on the way Sturgeon mishandled the the Salmond affair - I'm still confident at worst we'll be Separate by 28:P

As long as Tory hegemony at Westminster continues it's just a matter of time - even though people get more conservative as they get older I still reckon demographics are on our side too. Tactically I expect a pro-Independence majority at Holyrood next week to call for a second referendum within the timescale of the next Scottish Parliament followed by Johnson blocking all moves towards IndyRef2 which will be counterproductive. If Johnson had the balls for it I reckon his best move would be to agree to an early second referendum which really would derail any further moves for independence for 20 years if NO won.

The most damaging outcome for independence would be Alba getting 5-10 seats and the toxicity surrounding Alex Salmond leading to a loss of focus, which is a pity because a left-wing pro-Independence party standing on the lists only is a good idea.

Slavering - at least I'm not frightened about the future.

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Oh and @windae cleaner the SNP republican - if only!

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17 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

Yeah that's all a bit disappointing, I blame it mostly on the way Sturgeon mishandled the the Salmond affair - I'm still confident at worst we'll be Separate by 28:P

As long as Tory hegemony at Westminster continues it's just a matter of time - even though people get more conservative as they get older I still reckon demographics are on our side. Tactically I expect a pro-Independence majority at Holyrood next week to call for a second referendum within the timescale of the next Scottish Parliament followed by Johnson blocking all moves towards IndyRef2 which will be counterproductive. If Johnson had the balls for it I reckon his best move would be to agree to an early second referendum which really would derail any further moves for independence for 20 years.

The most damaging outcome for independence would be Alba getting 5-10 seats and the toxicity surrounding Alex Salmond leading to a loss of focus, which is a pity because a left-wing pro-Independence party standing on the lists only is a good idea.

Slavering - at least I'm not frightened about the future.

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Oh and @windae cleaner the SNP republican - if only!

Who's frightened? :blink:

No possible outcome of any election has even remotely made me frightened.

The continued union gives me hope the future is bright, certainly for people who want it to be.

It seems the Bravehearts are the one's who are frightened/running scared. :lol:

As for the slaverers, they can slink into their dark places and think of something else to drag everyone else down with. 

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1 hour ago, faraway saint said:

Keir Starmer isn't really my cup of tea but the new Scottish labour guy, Sarwar, comes across to me as pretty bright and personable. 

Obviously a long way to go after they, Labour, have dropped over the years but he can take them in the right direction, comparatively speaking. 

I'm unsure TBH, I'll take a coin with me next week, that's always the way to cast my vote. 

A bit like the guy that sold me my last car.  Too many platitudes for my liking. However, I do believe that his leadership will see an increase in the labour vote.

It's a pity for Labour that they couldn't find someone in Scotland, even approaching the presence of Starmer, who has impressed me so far.

Although, to be fair, for the leader of the opposition, it's like taking candy from a clown at Westminster of late. 

Unfortunately, the pool of competent politicians in the UK in all parties is sadly lacking.

Nicola Sturgeon will go eventually and, at present, there's no clear successor. Which must be a worry for the SNP.

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3 hours ago, faraway saint said:

Keir Starmer isn't really my cup of tea but the new Scottish labour guy, Sarwar, comes across to me as pretty bright and personable. 

Obviously a long way to go after they, Labour, have dropped over the years but he can take them in the right direction, comparatively speaking. 

I'm unsure TBH, I'll take a coin with me next week, that's always the way to cast my vote. 

It was Sarwar they were talking about

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5 hours ago, faraway saint said:

Lots of reasons that not everybody who has seen Braveheart wants to leave the UK, pointing a a few groups is pretty pointless as EVERYBODY, no matter what team they follow, is entitled to a vote.

Anyhow, it seems the recent euphoria by some, slavering about "free in 23" :lol: is petering out......................

Nicola Sturgeon has backed away from her threat to hold a new independence referendum this year as a new poll showed support for leaving the UK had fallen to its lowest level in 18 months.

 

Who told you that... Andrew Neil or Jacob Rees Mogg :lol: 

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From down here Labour need to start making inroads as shockingly most of Cumbria turned blue last gen election😯, for me I would rather stick pins in my eyes than vote that way. The poll tax did it for me being chased for 87p some things you don't forget. It's rather a better situ to have up north imo.

 

In saying that my dad is still as SNP through and through as he was years ago in paisley, keep having to remind him there isn't much call for them in cumbria 😂😂

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5 hours ago, faraway saint said:

Keir Starmer isn't really my cup of tea but the new Scottish labour guy, Sarwar, comes across to me as pretty bright and personable. 

Obviously a long way to go after they, Labour, have dropped over the years but he can take them in the right direction, comparatively speaking. 

I'm unsure TBH, I'll take a coin with me next week, that's always the way to cast my vote. 

Me too I'm still undecided, 

Not sure who'd be the best choice to take us forward and make the right decisions for Scotland and it's people 🤔 

It's a tough choice

Nicola Sturgeon Scotland GIF by The SNP

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Keir Starmer isn't really my cup of tea but the new Scottish labour guy, Sarwar, comes across to me as pretty bright and personable. 
Obviously a long way to go after they, Labour, have dropped over the years but he can take them in the right direction, comparatively speaking. 
I'm unsure TBH, I'll take a coin with me next week, that's always the way to cast my vote. 
"Sir" Keir Starmer to the likes of us, never forget the "Sir" part. "Sir" anything in charge of the Labour Party, think about that for a minute. The original Labour Party Keir will be spinning in his grave.

Sarwar in Scotland, the millionaire whose family don't pay their workers minimum wage. Wonder if they think he's "bright and personable"? Never mind, I'm sure he has the founding values of Labour at his core and sending his children to private school is a reflection of those values.

Is it any wonder we refer to Labour as Red Tories these days?
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Thinking about all of this, has there ever been a time in living memory where the quality of politicians to choose from has been so dire?

Other than Sturgeon, there isn't a single leader of any other major party worth a button. Maybe Patrick Harvie would escape that criticism but that's it. Then you add in Trump, Biden, Macron, Putin and that prick in charge of Brazil to the mix globally. Then chuck in a pandemic and these were/are the people we have trying to fix it all. It's all pretty depressing if you let it get to you.

If there's been a time where we've had worse politicians than this lot then I'm all ears.

Will be interesting to see what turnout we get next week. I expect it to be low.

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58 minutes ago, salmonbuddie said:

"Sir" Keir Starmer to the likes of us, never forget the "Sir" part. "Sir" anything in charge of the Labour Party, think about that for a minute. The original Labour Party Keir will be spinning in his grave.

Sarwar in Scotland, the millionaire whose family don't pay their workers minimum wage. Wonder if they think he's "bright and personable"? Never mind, I'm sure he has the founding values of Labour at his core and sending his children to private school is a reflection of those values.

Is it any wonder we refer to Labour as Red Tories these days?

You'd prefer if everybody was poor? 😂

If I could have afforded it I'd have sent my children to private school as I believe it would have given them a better education and a better chance in life, my bad. 🙄

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23 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Thinking about all of this, has there ever been a time in living memory where the quality of politicians to choose from has been so dire?

Other than Sturgeon, there isn't a single leader of any other major party worth a button. Maybe Patrick Harvie would escape that criticism but that's it. Then you add in Trump, Biden, Macron, Putin and that prick in charge of Brazil to the mix globally. Then chuck in a pandemic and these were/are the people we have trying to fix it all. It's all pretty depressing if you let it get to you.

If there's been a time where we've had worse politicians than this lot then I'm all ears.

Will be interesting to see what turnout we get next week. I expect it to be low.

The turnout in the last few Scottish election had been just over 50%.

Don't expect this 1 to be any different. 

Half the voters in the country don't vote, so i expect half the country shouldn't moan about the running of the country. 

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