Tommy Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 9 hours ago, oaksoft said: Perhaps you missed my earlier post where I dealt with breakfast and lunch for the entire week for about £20. I did miss it like most of your other posts (thankfully) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 10 hours ago, oaksoft said: Which bills are you prioritising over food? Oh and I have no idea why you think a foodbank worker would have the faintest idea of how a user was budgeting for food. Your ignorance on this subject is overwhelming very much a Thatcher style I'm all right Jack. There are over 800 people living on the streets of Glasgow. There are more than 260,000 children living in poverty in Scotland offical figures. You close the curtains turn up the heating and enjoy the roast chicken everything outside your house is a life of milk and honey with no problems in our society Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 17 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: Your ignorance on this subject is overwhelming very much a Thatcher style I'm all right Jack. There are over 800 people living on the streets of Glasgow. There are more than 260,000 children living in poverty in Scotland offical figures. You close the curtains turn up the heating and enjoy the roast chicken everything outside your house is a life of milk and honey with no problems in our society No milk or honey, he's on a budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Slartibartfast said: Depends how you look at it, it's almost 13% more. do scientists really work to THAT margin of error? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 5 hours ago, cockles1987 said: I have, not had. 5 in the family. The entire family has shrunk in a matter of days. My condolences Died of starvation . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 19 minutes ago, beyond our ken said: Died of starvation . Or maybe eaten for breakfast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellside Bud Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 (edited) Why is Oaksoft getting it tight? The claim was made that you couldn't feed a family of 3 for £100 per week. That's clearly nonsense. Now Oaksoft has produced figures for a meal to back up his claim he's been asked "what about bin bags" or "what about condiments". And Isle of Bute Saint has claimed now that families can't afford to buy £42.00 worth of food a week. That's nonsense especially when a parent gets £20.70 in child benefit for the first child and £13.70 for each additional child every week. I don't know what other families do for breakfast but in my house we fairly typically either have Bran Flakes, Porridge, or toast. None of which are expensive unless you buy ready made pots of porridge which is just ridiculous. And for lunch a baked potato and cheese would cost less than £0.30 per person. As for snacks - what the hell are you guys buying? A packet of chocolate biscuits costs around £1.00. A milti pack of crisps is around £1.00. Unhealthy snacks but even being kind it isn't going to cost more than £15.00 per week. Fruit is even cheaper - grapes are £1.50 for 500g currently at Asda, and 400g of plums are 69p. Now yesterday was my Mother In Laws birthday so we had a Chinese takeaway, but the day before my step daughter made dinner for seven- my son and his girlfriend were over too. A really nice chicken and ham pie in a white wine sauce. I've got the receipt for all the ingredients and it came to £9.64. That included a single serve bottle of wine at £2.00 and 2 packs of ready rolled sheets of filo pastry at £1.80 each. Oaksofts meal wasn't ridiculous either. He could have saved money by ditching the pasta and using spaghetti instead - 20p for 500mg at Asda - and making his own meatballs and sauce instead of buying them ready made. Apart from the cost saving it would probably also be healthier as he could monitor the salt content. As I've said I'm happy food banks exist. It's a good thing that communities donate to help those who are struggling living amongst them. The UK has a strong record of doing this - in the past there were always plenty of soup kitchens for example that did a similar job. Edited September 12, 2017 by Bellside Bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 The UK has a strong record of doing this - in the past there were always plenty of soup kitchens for example that did a similar job. Aye, in the past. The whole argument is that no-one - no-one at all - should need them in a wealthy country in this day and age. But they do, so ask yourself why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted September 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, salmonbuddie said: Aye, in the past. The whole argument is that no-one - no-one at all - should need them in a wealthy country in this day and age. But they do, so ask yourself why. They may just need help with living. And we are the Country to help. We are good people, generally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellside Bud Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 1 hour ago, salmonbuddie said: Aye, in the past. The whole argument is that no-one - no-one at all - should need them in a wealthy country in this day and age. But they do, so ask yourself why. We've dealt with that many pages back. If there was no benefit fraud and the government could be trusted to distribute the large resources it already gets through taxation then there would be plenty of money available to stock every food bank many times over. Ive also shown statistics that show increase use of food banks is more down to the increased availability of food banks and not a decline in standards across the UK. We know that the UK draws the notional poverty line far higher than most countries in the word and many times higher than the international poverty standard and Oaksoft and I have shown its perfectly possible to live and eat on a food budget of less than £100 per week for a family of three. So long as there are generous community spirited people willing to donate to food banks people will continue to use them and rightly so. It's not a mark of a failing society its a mark of a caring society looking after its own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Bellside Bud said: Why is Oaksoft getting it tight? The claim was made that you couldn't feed a family of 3 for £100 per week. I could have missed this, the early "claims" from Oaky was that he could feed a family of 5 on an average of £70 a week. Since then he has provided nothing but bluster, scorn and a few exaggerated prices from Lidl. Apologies if I've missed this family of 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 11 hours ago, cockles1987 said: I have, not had. 5 in the family. The entire family has shrunk in a matter of days. My condolences Yes, the eldest has left home. Did that thought not enter your head? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 17 hours ago, faraway saint said: As usual, no proof, bluster and nothing else. You really should stop trying to deflect from other peoples opinion and proof with nothing more than meaningless questions. Oh aye, two packets at £1.69 is just over 10%, feck sending you for the shopping. I missed this, 5 people, breakfast and lunch, for a week? You do know that equals 57p per person a day? 28p a person for each breakfast and lunch.......................and, like some sort of a prison, nothing, absolutely nothing, allowed apart from the 3 courses each day? No wonder your family think your weird. You're funny, in a clown type of way. At least I have provided some figures. Thats more than any of you numpties has managed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 8 hours ago, Slartibartfast said: Depends how you look at it, it's almost 13% more. Its 38p. If anyone wants to claim that as a victory they are welcome to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 Just now, oaksoft said: At least I have provided some figures. Thats more than any of you numpties has managed. Aye, figures that don't add up, that's the winning formula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 7 hours ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: Your ignorance on this subject is overwhelming very much a Thatcher style I'm all right Jack. There are over 800 people living on the streets of Glasgow. There are more than 260,000 children living in poverty in Scotland offical figures. You close the curtains turn up the heating and enjoy the roast chicken everything outside your house is a life of milk and honey with no problems in our society Deary me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 6 hours ago, faraway saint said: No milk or honey, he's on a budget. Milk is cheap. Havent found a cheap source of honey without donning a netted hat and braving the hive myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 5 hours ago, beyond our ken said: do scientists really work to THAT margin of error? That makes about as much sense as your other posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 Just now, oaksoft said: Milk is cheap. Havent found a cheap source of honey without donning a netted hat and braving the hive myself. You would be good at getting the milk from the cow............................it's all in the technique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Bellside Bud said: Why is Oaksoft getting it tight? The claim was made that you couldn't feed a family of 3 for £100 per week. That's clearly nonsense. Now Oaksoft has produced figures for a meal to back up his claim he's been asked "what about bin bags" or "what about condiments". And Isle of Bute Saint has claimed now that families can't afford to buy £42.00 worth of food a week. That's nonsense especially when a parent gets £20.70 in child benefit for the first child and £13.70 for each additional child every week. I don't know what other families do for breakfast but in my house we fairly typically either have Bran Flakes, Porridge, or toast. None of which are expensive unless you buy ready made pots of porridge which is just ridiculous. And for lunch a baked potato and cheese would cost less than £0.30 per person. As for snacks - what the hell are you guys buying? A packet of chocolate biscuits costs around £1.00. A milti pack of crisps is around £1.00. Unhealthy snacks but even being kind it isn't going to cost more than £15.00 per week. Fruit is even cheaper - grapes are £1.50 for 500g currently at Asda, and 400g of plums are 69p. Now yesterday was my Mother In Laws birthday so we had a Chinese takeaway, but the day before my step daughter made dinner for seven- my son and his girlfriend were over too. A really nice chicken and ham pie in a white wine sauce. I've got the receipt for all the ingredients and it came to £9.64. That included a single serve bottle of wine at £2.00 and 2 packs of ready rolled sheets of filo pastry at £1.80 each. Oaksofts meal wasn't ridiculous either. He could have saved money by ditching the pasta and using spaghetti instead - 20p for 500mg at Asda - and making his own meatballs and sauce instead of buying them ready made. Apart from the cost saving it would probably also be healthier as he could monitor the salt content. As I've said I'm happy food banks exist. It's a good thing that communities donate to help those who are struggling living amongst them. The UK has a strong record of doing this - in the past there were always plenty of soup kitchens for example that did a similar job. Excellent post. It would be nice if one of the others could produce a costed budget refuting our numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 We've dealt with that many pages back. If there was no benefit fraud And if more time was spent on tax fraud by big business instead of chasing pocket money - and in a wealthy society like ours, the total against alleged benefit fraud is pocket money - how much better off would our society be?The second of the main points of this debate, which you and oaky keep deflecting away from by going into detail about whether or not you can look after a family on an imagined budget, is that tax avoidance by big business, by business generally, costs us much, much, more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 9 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Aye, figures that don't add up, that's the winning formula. Honestly I dont know why you dont just show us your own figures and put this debate to bed once and for all. Thats generally what happens when adults debate. So far all we have had from your side is personal insults and an apparent unwillingness to understand that when people grow up they leave home and the family shrinks accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 Its 38p. If anyone wants to claim that as a victory they are welcome to it. No, it's 13%, not 38p. As a stringent budgeter and (allegedly) a scientist, you must understand the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, cockles1987 said: If you were intelligent enough you would have seen I explained that with you writing in the present rather than the past tense.https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=have+past+tense&oq=have+past&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.4423j0j4&client=ms-android-motorola&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 Another stunning contribution to the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 You would be good at getting the milk from the cow............................it's all in the technique. He does seem to be trying to get blood from a stone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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