oaksoft Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 4 hours ago, cockles1987 said: He wrote. FFS you claim to be an intelligent person Excellent. We are back in the schoolyard again. Is there a single lefty on here who doesnt have a personality disorder and can hold an adult conversation in a reasonable tone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 Oh ffs, he's taking the piss, that's why there's a smiley at the end.Too condescending? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 10 hours ago, oaksoft said: Even if it is him, he isn't the one chucking around personal abuse. I have no problem with people who have a strong difference of opinion to me. TBH I have no idea why people keep pouncing on those who do. None of these discussion matter anyway. Which is why I think it isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 9 hours ago, oaksoft said: Whit? You take the income per household and divide it by the number of people in the household to find the income per head. (about 5k) Then try taking the monthly income and producing a basic budget for the household. You'll find that it's pretty tight but doable at the limit. Go below that limit and something has to give. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, insaintee said: You take the income per household and divide it by the number of people in the household to find the income per head. (about 5k) Then try taking the monthly income and producing a basic budget for the household. You'll find that it's pretty tight but doable at the limit. Go below that limit and something has to give. Ah OK. Not sure why you would use that particular statistic though because you would also need to divide the bills evenly as well. Any other approach would be an abuse of statistics. When you do that you get exactly the same information as you would when considering the entire household as one beast. BTW your suggested monthly food and clothes budgets are absolutely ridiculous. Like I said if this is what your average foodbank user is spending per month on food then they need different help from simple handouts. I have already given a detailed budget elsewhere on this forum showing everything you would need to cover. Edited September 8, 2017 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 5 hours ago, cockles1987 said: Obviously you don't like humorous posts at your expense. Is that reason you reverted to the aforementioned schoolyard name calling. What name did I call you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 I have already given a detailed budget elsewhere on this forum showing everything you would need to cover. And some called you arrogant and pompous. [emoji33] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 And some called you arrogant and pompous. [emoji33] That would be condescending surely?(Don't call me Shirley, I know) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 Again, that's me. Not according to he who knows all. Who's also not you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 Again, that's me. Not according to he who knows all. Who's also not you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 Again, that's me. Not according to he who knows all. Who's also not you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, salmonbuddie said: Not according to he who knows all. Who's also not you... 2 minutes ago, salmonbuddie said: Not according to he who knows all. Who's also not you... Aye. heard ye first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 1 hour ago, cockles1987 said: I don't know if you called me any names, but you did call folk names. In a matter of interest did you refer to me as a lefty? It's his preferred reach-around hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 Aye. heard ye first time. Gimme a break, I'm abroad and drinking all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 7 minutes ago, salmonbuddie said: Gimme a break, I'm abroad and drinking all day. I did, you posted three fecking times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 I did, you posted three fecking times. [emoji38] I'm not that pished, it's either one, two or four. Never three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 4 hours ago, cockles1987 said: I don't know if you called me any names, but you did call folk names. You accused me of calling you names and then you admit you dont actually know if I called you names or not. Ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 1 hour ago, cockles1987 said: I didn't accuse you of calling me names. Here is the actual post. Now read it slowly and accurately and you will see what I actually wrote and not what you think I wrote. See I didn't write the name calling was specific to me. So can you actually answer the question now without going in the huff that poor wee me has leaked a wee bit of urine whilst laughing at you. No offence but I fell asleep half way through that. If you have anything interesting to say in future posts I'd be happy to engage again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 14 hours ago, oaksoft said: Ah OK. Not sure why you would use that particular statistic though because you would also need to divide the bills evenly as well. Any other approach would be an abuse of statistics. When you do that you get exactly the same information as you would when considering the entire household as one beast. BTW your suggested monthly food and clothes budgets are absolutely ridiculous. Like I said if this is what your average foodbank user is spending per month on food then they need different help from simple handouts. I have already given a detailed budget elsewhere on this forum showing everything you would need to cover. But in the worked example I took the total monthly household income and compared it to the total monthly household spend. I'm afraid there's no abuse of statistics. The point being that a house hold of three has higher expenditure then a house hold of 1. I think 400 pounds a month on food is not unreasonable for a house hold of 3 that's about 50 per week and around 15 pounds per person per week. I'll bet you spend more than that on your pre-match refreshments. I do agree that people on the poverty line should get other help. I'm very keen on the local initiatives to provide and encourage use of allotments and community gardens which have a wide range of benefits. I also keen on skills initiatives which cover cooking, house maintenance and yes budgeting. I like the idea of extending and de-stigmatising free school meal provision. Further work needs to be done on health particularly around dental care, but also about other issues for example sexual health. Up cycling initiatives also good. There's loads and loads of stuff going on around supporting children in education some successful some less so. I highly recommend that someone of your intelligence and social conscience get involved in something like voluntary tutoring. You could be part of the solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 8 hours ago, TPAFKATS said: And some called you arrogant and pompous. I'm neither arrogant or pompous. I'm just right all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 7 hours ago, salmonbuddie said: That would be condescending surely? (Don't call me Shirley, I know) I'm not condescending, I just like helping less intelligent people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, oaksoft said: No offence but I fell asleep half way through that. If you have anything interesting to say in future posts I'd be happy to engage again. Are you shull's thicker brother? Edited September 8, 2017 by beyond our ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, insaintee said: But in the worked example I took the total monthly household income and compared it to the total monthly household spend. I'm afraid there's no abuse of statistics. The point being that a house hold of three has higher expenditure then a house hold of 1. I think 400 pounds a month on food is not unreasonable for a house hold of 3 that's about 50 per week and around 15 pounds per person per week. I'll bet you spend more than that on your pre-match refreshments. I do agree that people on the poverty line should get other help. I'm very keen on the local initiatives to provide and encourage use of allotments and community gardens which have a wide range of benefits. I also keen on skills initiatives which cover cooking, house maintenance and yes budgeting. I like the idea of extending and de-stigmatising free school meal provision. Further work needs to be done on health particularly around dental care, but also about other issues for example sexual health. Up cycling initiatives also good. There's loads and loads of stuff going on around supporting children in education some successful some less so. I highly recommend that someone of your intelligence and social conscience get involved in something like voluntary tutoring. You could be part of the solution. You can easily feed a family of 5 on £60 to £80 per week. I know because that is what I used to spend for years until my kids left home. To spend this on a household of just 3 people and then claim to need foodbanks is feckless in my opinion. These people need help drawing up a food budget. I think your arithmetic is wrong. £400 a month is £100 per week not £50. Our views are not too dissimilar actually and I agree with your other points. BTW I am not remotely interested in helping anyone who gets into this sort of trouble. I am glad others do get involved but I genuinely dont care enough about people who wont accept personal responsibility to help out. I actually cant think of anything worse. It would be a waste of my time and it would continue the theme of dependency which is the root cause of many of these problems. Anyone out there want to know how to budget? Get a book from the library or better yet use f**king Google and stop being so bloody lazy. Edited September 9, 2017 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, oaksoft said: You can easily feed a family of 5 on £60 to £80 per week. I know because that is what I used to spend for years until my kids left home. To spend this on a household of just 3 people and then claim to need foodbanks is feckless in my opinion. These people need help drawing up a food budget. I think your arithmetic is wrong. £400 a month is £100 per week not £50. Our views are not too dissimilar actually and I agree with your other points. BTW I am not remotely interested in helping anyone who gets into this sort of trouble. I am glad others do get involved but I genuinely dont care enough about people who wont accept personal responsibility to help out. I actually cant think of anything worse. It would be a waste of my time and it would continue the theme of dependency which is the root cause of many of these problems. Anyone out there want to know how to budget? Get a book from the library or better yet use f**king Google and stop being so bloody lazy. Really? Easily? £2 a day for each person? When was the last time you went shopping? PS Seen this and thought of you...................... Edited September 9, 2017 by faraway saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 39 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Really? Easily? £2 a day for each person? When was the last time you went shopping? PS Seen this and thought of you...................... I think that is possible, if you live in Mali or Sudan, and your family of five are happy to eat boiled rice every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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