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The meltdown on here over the kibble buy in probably shows it's a good thing that people with a reasonable amount of business acumen are getting involved. Imagine a fully owned smisa led club. Every decision would be torn to pieces, infighting galore, it would be impossible to get anything done. Hopefully there is a silent majority going to vote this through.
I think this period has shown me I'm more fearful of 100% fan ownership than 51% with a major partner.

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The meltdown on here over the kibble buy in probably shows it's a good thing that people with a reasonable amount of business acumen are getting involved. Imagine a fully owned smisa led club. Every decision would be torn to pieces, infighting galore, it would be impossible to get anything done. Hopefully there is a silent majority going to vote this through.
I think this period has shown me I'm more fearful of 100% fan ownership than 51% with a major partner.


Really?
Then why did Scott & Smisa tell the world that the only show in town was full fan ownership?

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6 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

Really?
Then why did Scott & Smisa tell the world that the only show in town was full fan ownership?

A Hybrid has been shown to be possible. A decision for the members. 

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Oh dear... Slarti/Baz whatever calls himself is becoming detached.... or?
Just upping the shit stirring to bring some joy into his life?

Maybe we should have a vote on that?



Aw, is the wee flower so upset to be compared to Baz that he's got to use almost the same patter back? It's like Bart Simpson's "I know you are, but what am I" line. I'm obviously (well obviously to any right thinking person) not Baz, but he can't escape from the fact that he and Baz are almost clones, must be so upsetting for the we delicate petal.

Anyway, not answering any of the questions yet? I'm not surprised.


 


1. You are.

2. That fitted in well with the bit below it.

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14 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

Really?
Then why did Scott & Smisa tell the world that the only show in town was full fan ownership?

Trolling/ breakdowns/ desperation whatever anyone wants to call it, it’s pretty transparent after all these years. Polar opposite views over less time than it takes to read a SMISA statement means the mask has completely slipped.

The wish for mass (prediction?) drop off in SMISA members is far from new and has been completely unfounded/ baseless to date. Wee new club jabs, claims that the club will be further split up to under majority fan ownership, wishing for community asset stripping to be even remotely true in this deal. All sings of a powerless, desperate for attention man.

Don’t feed the troll they say… How can we not when it causes such hilarious rage? 

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7 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:


 

 

 


Aw, is the wee flower so upset to be compared to Baz that he's got to use almost the same patter back? It's like Bart Simpson's "I know you are, but what am I" line. I'm obviously (well obviously to any right thinking person) not Baz, but he can't escape from the fact that he and Baz are almost clones, must be so upsetting for the we delicate petal.

Anyway, not answering any of the questions yet? I'm not surprised.




1. You are.

2. That fitted in well with the bit below it. emoji38.png

 

 

Now now, you both can't be as awesome as me, stop fighting over it. 

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Just now, Slartibartfast said:
4 minutes ago, bazil85 said:
Now now, you both can't be as awesome as me, stop fighting over it. 

I would never want to lower my intellect that far.

Aw pal, I know you still can't let go how I've bested you in debate in recent months but no need to remain bitter. We're on the same side here, remember?  

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Ok the OP is a bit tongue in cheek, but the underlying question remains.
If this deal is voted through, and smisa numbers drop as a result?
Who is going to pick up the slack?
The general nature of football fans will probably mean that they assume that Kibble are in charge, and will fund the club. Raising the very clear & present danger of smfc turning into Kibble FC by default/apathy/inevitability...
The point (completely wrong imo) being made by some is "well there isnt the skill set required among saints fans to run the club anyway"

Really? How so with Hearts & Well, oh yes and as the smisa chair likes to suggest our mirror image Barcelona?

I agree too many of the wrong people are in there now, but the fans have had little influence in shaping that.
Where we are at imo is the current board & smisa saying "we're done, its beyond us" so they, and minded members see Kibble as a safe haven. Nice and comfy, just kick back and let Kibble do it all.

To me we are at 'Point Break'... that being we really need to take a decision to break the apathy/laziness/lack of giving a f**k etc and 'break' what's setting in, so we can reset on tbe right path for fans, club and community.

See this for what it is, the board and Smisa are throwing in the cap, in the hope that, as Homer Simpson asks.. "cant somebody else do it?"

Through saving face, refusing to admit their done etc, etc... choosing the wrong people.

They are turning away from fans to hide/save admitting their shortcomings, and dressing this up as REAL fan ownership despite having already declared the last proposal was that and so much more.

It's 'Point Break' buds... will you just slide the slippers on and let it wash over you, or Break it, to Fix it..?

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1 hour ago, Lord Pityme said:

Will Sevco fans be able to call us a 'new' club? If the proposal is voted through.

1 hour ago, bazil85 said:

Lol imagine being this raging.

I’m quoting both of you because I know you are on opposite ends of for and against on this. I also can’t be arsed sifting through multiple pages of shite on the other thread.

What is the full on deal with this “veto” that Kibble apparently want?

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21 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:


It's 'Point Break' buds... will you just slide the slippers on and let it wash over you, or Break it, to Fix it..?

Why don't you give The Sun an exclusive.  Get in contact with them and tell them how a local charity is not being very charitable and how it could be the end of a historical football club.    

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The two biggest critics of this deal are no longer supporters of fan ownership at St Mirren. Work that one out.
Is that the fun ownership where 'the fans' own the club, or the "New Improved Formula' fan ownership where you start selling off the club?

Why is our suggested version do different from Hearts & Motherwell... both clubs who nearly disappeared?

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22 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

I’m quoting both of you because I know you are on opposite ends of for and against on this. I also can’t be arsed sifting through multiple pages of shite on the other thread.

What is the full on deal with this “veto” that Kibble apparently want?

Generally major shareholders (over 25%) have a veto on major decisions. Kibble have one in this agreement, certain posters have blown it way out of proportion. 

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1 minute ago, bazil85 said:

Generally major shareholders (over 25%) have a veto on major decisions. Kibble have one in this agreement, certain posters have blown it way out of proportion. 

Special Resolutions is more accurate Baz!!

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37 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

Ok the OP is a bit tongue in cheek, but the underlying question remains.
If this deal is voted through, and smisa numbers drop as a result?
Who is going to pick up the slack?
The general nature of football fans will probably mean that they assume that Kibble are in charge, and will fund the club. Raising the very clear & present danger of smfc turning into Kibble FC by default/apathy/inevitability...
The point (completely wrong imo) being made by some is "well there isnt the skill set required among saints fans to run the club anyway"

Really? How so with Hearts & Well, oh yes and as the smisa chair likes to suggest our mirror image Barcelona?

I agree too many of the wrong people are in there now, but the fans have had little influence in shaping that.
Where we are at imo is the current board & smisa saying "we're done, its beyond us" so they, and minded members see Kibble as a safe haven. Nice and comfy, just kick back and let Kibble do it all.

To me we are at 'Point Break'... that being we really need to take a decision to break the apathy/laziness/lack of giving a f**k etc and 'break' what's setting in, so we can reset on tbe right path for fans, club and community.

See this for what it is, the board and Smisa are throwing in the cap, in the hope that, as Homer Simpson asks.. "cant somebody else do it?"

Through saving face, refusing to admit their done etc, etc... choosing the wrong people.

They are turning away from fans to hide/save admitting their shortcomings, and dressing this up as REAL fan ownership despite having already declared the last proposal was that and so much more.

It's 'Point Break' buds... will you just slide the slippers on and let it wash over you, or Break it, to Fix it..?

Time to support the LPM coping mechanism that has managed his hatred of all things GLS/ SMISA for so many years… Did I say support? I meant rip apart.

You asked the question on other threads, a new one isn't needed. There is little to no indication the numbers will drop noticeably. the majority of comments over social media are positive and there are very, very few people that have said they'll cancel their membership. I've actually seen more re-join than cancel posts. 

The nature of football fans is not to assume a minority shareholder is in charge, what on earth do you base this on? 

That is not a clear and present danger, it's wishful thinking so you can continue to moan and claim you were right. You've had a fantasy about BTB failing for best part of four years, that has continuously been wrong and to add insult to injury, you’ve had to watch SMFC factually progress on and off the park in that time. 

Fan skillets can still be used if available and required, getting the knowledge and experience from the Kibble isn't a hindrance to this point. 

Only one of those clubs has recorded profit for four years in a row, can you guess which? If GLS formed a fan buyout model identical to Hearts or identical to Well, you would oppose it. This is clear given your changed stance since the Kibble announcement. 

More spin and wishful thinking that the current BOD are saying they’re “done” You’re just incapable of accepting them presenting a good deal.

At “point break” so the best option in your opinion to stick with the current proposal and continue to “save SMISA” as you have previously claimed, required?

Throwing in the cap, picking the wrong people, trying to save faith. Turning away from the fans, having shortcomings, choosing the wrong people. This is all baseless, as I say above, coping mechanism.

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I’m quoting both of you because I know you are on opposite ends of for and against on this. I also can’t be arsed sifting through multiple pages of shite on the other thread.
What is the full on deal with this “veto” that Kibble apparently want?
They want to take control over proceedings in exchange for their £300k to ensure their aims and objectives are achieved.
They actually confirm this in their proposal. They're not shy about seeing this as Kibble expanding through smfc.
Why some people, (despite the lack of one, just one set of figures showing how this will add an additional revenue stream to the club) think otherwise is mystifying.
Kibble want to expand, smfc are ripe for exploitation... so much so that a charity is throwing £300k away, and the fans are being asked to sign over to Kibble.
Have smisa, or the club given one, just one example of how they are going to step up to this new challenge?
That should be a genuine worry for all!
It appears it's only Kibble who have a plan, and the resource and determination to see it delivered!

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