antrin Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 Interesting article from FT describing how Lombardy's next door state, Veneto, has kept its numbers much, much lower than Lombardy has been able to do. (for a couple of simple reasons). https://www.ft.com/content/9c75d47f-49ee-4613-add1-a692b97d95d3?shareType=nongift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 Interesting article from FT describing how Lombardy's next door state, Veneto, has kept its numbers much, much lower than Lombardy has been able to do. (for a couple of simple reasons). https://www.ft.com/content/9c75d47f-49ee-4613-add1-a692b97d95d3?shareType=nongiftThank antrin, interesting article.Makes you wonder how 2 neighbouring regions in the same country can have such diverging approaches to a pandemic.How does the veneto approach compare to UK where we also have the low hospitalisation rate but deaths that are likely to exceed italy? Is it due to low testing rates, same as lombardy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted April 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said: Thank antrin, interesting article. Makes you wonder how 2 neighbouring regions in the same country can have such diverging approaches to a pandemic. How does the veneto approach compare to UK where we also have the low hospitalisation rate but deaths that are likely to exceed italy? Is it due to low testing rates, same as lombardy? What makes you think the number of deaths in the UK will exceed Italy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiram Abiff Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 Professor Charles Swanton, Cancer Research UK's chief clinician, warned that certain cancers which were until now thought survivable are to become 'inoperable' due to delays in the current crisis. Professor Swanton added: 'There is a risk that trusts may have to make a choice between ventilatory support for an acutely unwell patient with Covid-19 at the expense of an elective admission for primary surgery for a potentially curable tumour requiring a short post-operative stay in intensive care.' A source close to The Department of Health told The Sunday Times that it was possible more people, including cancer patients, could die from delays to their treatment caused by the virus than from the coronavirus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted April 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, Yflab said: Oakys graphs. Surely everyone knows that. I didn't want to state the bleedin obvious. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiram Abiff Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 The US scientific advisers admit that they massively overestimated Covid 19 just a week ago And this article highlights how the US scientists have got their estimates badly wrong https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/white-houses-coronavirus-model-has-overestimated-tens-thousands Note - I don’t require lying fascist oaksoft’s commentary as I already know he doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiram Abiff Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 It just presumed I'm a guy, hope my partner is happy with that. [emoji53]The only thing I presumed was that you’re an idiotAnd you haven’t disappointed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Monster Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 Why is the person who posted links to a racist site still allowed to post. Is there no moderation like the rules I signed up to applied? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted April 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 1 hour ago, TPAFKATS said: Thank antrin, interesting article. Makes you wonder how 2 neighbouring regions in the same country can have such diverging approaches to a pandemic. How does the veneto approach compare to UK where we also have the low hospitalisation rate but deaths that are likely to exceed italy? Is it due to low testing rates, same as lombardy? Italy are currently on 16, 523 deaths, the UK 5,373, apart from Oaky's stupid graphs I'm seeing nothing to indicate we will exceed them. Have you some reason or are you just making stuff up again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Hiram Abiff said: Professor Charles Swanton, Cancer Research UK's chief clinician, warned that certain cancers which were until now thought survivable are to become 'inoperable' due to delays in the current crisis. Professor Swanton added: 'There is a risk that trusts may have to make a choice between ventilatory support for an acutely unwell patient with Covid-19 at the expense of an elective admission for primary surgery for a potentially curable tumour requiring a short post-operative stay in intensive care.' A source close to The Department of Health told The Sunday Times that it was possible more people, including cancer patients, could die from delays to their treatment caused by the virus than from the coronavirus. Well... this is old news. We have known for a while that this deluge of CV19 patients would overwhelm an austerity battered, underfunded NHS system. That’s why the too little, too late shutdown is not being as effective as hoped... and at great economic cost. I should have had a needle poke about in my left foot last Thursday, after seeking that needle’s deployment since last September. It has been rescheduled. I’m rescheduled and hoping to hop along to have it done next September, now. it's the hope that kills you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted April 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) I'm hearing the press couldn't wait to make as much as possible out of the stupid mistake that the CMO made at today's press conference? I'm surprised wee Nicky didn't read out a statement and that the matter was closed instead of allowing these half wits to regurgitate similar points time after time. Edited April 6, 2020 by faraway saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted April 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 These things are spot on................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said: Why is the person who posted links to a racist site still allowed to post. Is there no moderation like the rules I signed up to applied? And where was the person racist ? Show as many examples as you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 And where was the person racist ? Show as many examples as you like.Using information from a racist website to support an argument leads any reasonable person to reach that conclusion. You haven't. I rest my case...[emoji23][emoji1787][emoji23] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, salmonbuddie said: Using information from a racist website to support an argument leads any reasonable person to reach that conclusion. You haven't. I rest my case... So, no examples of him being racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 So, no examples of him being racist.I've already rested the case, shull, if you can't see the obvious when it's staring you in the face then it's pointless having a discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 I saw no racism from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 I saw no racism from him.I refer you to my first post. And my second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 Refer all you like. Never ever seen a racist post from that gentleman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Monster Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 Refer all you like. Never ever seen a racist post from that gentleman.If I was to post a link to, let's say the KKK or the NF to support my argument. Do you not think that would class me as a racist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 Refer all you like. Never ever seen a racist post from that gentleman.This might helphttps://www.wordsense.eu/if_you_fly_with_the_crows,_you_get_shot_with_the_crows/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted April 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, salmonbuddie said: This might help https://www.wordsense.eu/if_you_fly_with_the_crows,_you_get_shot_with_the_crows/ You're wasting your time, same answers to similar questions for the last umpteen months. Let it go., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said: 23 minutes ago, shull said: Refer all you like. Never ever seen a racist post from that gentleman. If I was to post a link to, let's say the KKK or the NF to support my argument. Do you not think that would class me as a racist? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 They are all trying so hard. None can show the gentleman being racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 They are all trying so hard. None can show the gentleman being racist.Read my posts again, shull, I'm not trying any such thing. I'm trying to explain to you why people will come to that conclusion.faraway's right, though, you can lead a horse to water and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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