bazil85 2,289 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Soctty said: Most of the players you mentioned have already played at Premiership level, with Magennis a guy who is universally highly rated by our support, and those outwith the club. Had we gone into the new season with the squad we finished last season with, we'd have gone straight back down. Jack knew this, and had planned for extensive strengthening had he stayed. One of the signings being lambasted as non-league and not good enough for this level, is Kellermann - a Jack Ross signing. I think we need to realise that we aren't doing badly this season. Still in the league cup, 3 points out of 6 so far in the league having played one of the ugly sisters - many are predicting our downfall based mainly on players they've barely seen playing, and a manager they're reluctant to give full backing to. Early days - be positive! Liam Smith seemed pretty highly thoughtnof last season I thought. My point is I do rate those players. I’m not sure how anyone can use the point that he’s signed for a championship club to categorically discount him playing at this level. Personally I was massively surprised Hearts let him go. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bazil85 2,289 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Wendy Saintss said: When did Cammy Smith, Samson, McGinn and Magennis sign for Ayr? Nonsense argument! So you are completely discounting what Liam Smith did last year and only basing your assumption of him not being good enough on signing for Ayr? Cool 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wendy Saintss 2,634 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 Just now, bazil85 said: So you are completely discounting what Liam Smith did last year and only basing your assumption of him not being good enough on signing for Ayr? Cool And you know better than all the managers of all the teams than are better than Ayr? Cool 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pod 6,012 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 17 hours ago, magnus said: They didn't watch Liam last season. We did. Cracking young player well worth a place on our roster imo. You don't put players out and not monitor them. How else would you know how they're progressing or not. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScotstounSaint 422 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 You don't put players out and not monitor them. How else would you know how they're progressing or not. Cause you're lazy, or don't have the resources. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pod 6,012 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, ScotstounSaint said: 3 hours ago, pod said: You don't put players out and not monitor them. How else would you know how they're progressing or not. Cause you're lazy, or don't have the resources. Never be called lazy. But true, I don't have the resources. Edited August 15, 2018 by pod 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soctty 4,243 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 53 minutes ago, bazil85 said: Liam Smith seemed pretty highly thoughtnof last season I thought. My point is I do rate those players. I’m not sure how anyone can use the point that he’s signed for a championship club to categorically discount him playing at this level. Personally I was massively surprised Hearts let him go. I didn't... 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buddie Marvelous 918 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, pod said: Never be called lazy. But true, I don't the resources. Oh, you missed a word out there Pod 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bazil85 2,289 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Wendy Saintss said: And you know better than all the managers of all the teams than are better than Ayr? Cool No, irrelevant point. The consideration is would Smith add value to our squad. Given what he did last season, I don't think it's completely outside the realms of possibility that he wouldn't 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bazil85 2,289 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Soctty said: I didn't... Didn't say you did, it was in relation to the post I was commenting against. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wendy Saintss 2,634 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, bazil85 said: No, irrelevant point. The consideration is would Smith add value to our squad. Given what he did last season, I don't think it's completely outside the realms of possibility that he wouldn't The fact that no manager of any team better than Ayr, including Alan Stubbs, thought that he could add value to their squad is completely relevant to the consideration of whether Smith would add value to our squad! The fact that you don't think its outside the realms of possibility based on what he did last season is the irrelevant point! 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wendy Saintss 2,634 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, bazil85 said: Didn't say you did, it was in relation to the post I was commenting against. The post you were commenting against was his! 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bazil85 2,289 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said: The post you were commenting against was his! 5 hours ago, Wendy Saintss said: Why would anyone think that a guy who just signed for Ayr would improve our team? Because of his performance for a Championship winning team last season. By that logic, why would you think Cammy Smith, Craig Samson, McGinn, Magennis, etc would be good enough? Nonsense argument. No it wasn't, he was responding to the above 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bazil85 2,289 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said: The fact that no manager of any team better than Ayr, including Alan Stubbs, thought that he could add value to their squad is completely relevant to the consideration of whether Smith would add value to our squad! The fact that you don't think its outside the realms of possibility based on what he did last season is the irrelevant point! Is it? Maybe they just don't need a new right back, maybe Stubbs doesn't want a new right back based on budget constraints. Assumptions and happy to talk down a player that did very well for us last season. What a pity. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wendy Saintss 2,634 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, bazil85 said: 5 hours ago, Wendy Saintss said: Why would anyone think that a guy who just signed for Ayr would improve our team? Because of his performance for a Championship winning team last season. By that logic, why would you think Cammy Smith, Craig Samson, McGinn, Magennis, etc would be good enough? Nonsense argument. No it wasn't, he was responding to the above And you were responding to him! 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wendy Saintss 2,634 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, bazil85 said: Is it? Maybe they just don't need a new right back, maybe Stubbs doesn't want a new right back based on budget constraints. Assumptions and happy to talk down a player that did very well for us last season. What a pity. In other words, there were no managers who thought that he would add value to their squad! As for talking down a player, oh sorry, didn't realise that everyone either had to have the opinion that every player in last season's squad was good enough for this season or that if they didn't then they weren't allowed to express it! Its a pity that you are happy to talk down the current manager's recruitment! Edited August 15, 2018 by Wendy Saintss 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
E=Mc2 3,429 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 5 hours ago, Wendy Saintss said: When did Cammy Smith, Samson, McGinn and Magennis sign for Ayr? Nonsense argument! We should have “quite right” emoji 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bazil85 2,289 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 41 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said: In other words, there were no managers who thought that he would add value to their squad! As for talking down a player, oh sorry, didn't realise that everyone either had to have the opinion that every player in last season's squad was good enough for this season or that if they didn't then they weren't allowed to express it! Its a pity that you are happy to talk down the current manager's recruitment! You are of the opinion that there's no way he could ever add value to an SP squad this season based on him signing for Ayr. Typical Boo boy response to a player that had a great season for us last year. personally think that's very sad. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WeeBud 943 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 Thank God it's not Jack Baird that anyone's talking down, that'd cause real trouble !! 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magnus 2,073 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 48 minutes ago, E=Mc2 said: We should have “quite right” emoji A quite right emoji. You could be on to something! 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pod 6,012 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Buddie Marvelous said: Oh, you missed a word out there Pod to lazy to check. Cheers. . But only have the resource to fix my post. Edited August 15, 2018 by pod 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wendy Saintss 2,634 Report post Posted August 15, 2018 You are of the opinion that there's no way he could ever add value to an SP squad this season based on him signing for Ayr. Typical Boo boy response to a player that had a great season for us last year. personally think that's very sad. It’s also the opinion of Alan Stubbs and every other SP manager.Typical boo boy response to our current manager who has enjoyed a good start to the season. Personally think that’s very sad. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soctty 4,243 Report post Posted August 16, 2018 15 hours ago, bazil85 said: Didn't say you did, it was in relation to the post I was commenting against. You were quoting my post... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bazil85 2,289 Report post Posted August 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Soctty said: You were quoting my post... Wendy Saint Why would anyone think that a guy who just signed for Ayr would improve our team? Me Because of his performance for a Championship winning team last season. By that logic, why would you think Cammy Smith, Craig Samson, McGinn, Magennis, etc would be good enough? Nonsense argument. You Most of the players you mentioned have already played at Premiership level, with Magennis a guy who is universally highly rated by our support, and those outwith the club. Had we gone into the new season with the squad we finished last season with, we'd have gone straight back down. Jack knew this, and had planned for extensive strengthening had he stayed. One of the signings being lambasted as non-league and not good enough for this level, is Kellermann - a Jack Ross signing. I think we need to realise that we aren't doing badly this season. Still in the league cup, 3 points out of 6 so far in the league having played one of the ugly sisters - many are predicting our downfall based mainly on players they've barely seen playing, and a manager they're reluctant to give full backing to. Early days - be positive! Me Liam Smith seemed pretty highly thought of last season I thought. My point is I do rate those players. I’m not sure how anyone can use the point that he’s signed for a championship club to categorically discount him playing at this level. Personally I was massively surprised Hearts let him go. I thought it was pretty clear it was a continuation and I was reiterating when I said 'my point' and the content directly linked to what Wendy Saint said... Guess not 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bazil85 2,289 Report post Posted August 16, 2018 15 hours ago, Wendy Saintss said: It’s also the opinion of Alan Stubbs and every other SP manager. Typical boo boy response to our current manager who has enjoyed a good start to the season. Personally think that’s very sad. How do you know? Yet again there is no evidence that they might not want to use budgets to strengthen that area. If Liam Smith became available in May do you know for a fact we wouldn't of taken him over McGinn? Not at all, I'm not judging either way, just not writing off a very good player for us from last season like yourself 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
