davidg

Glad to see.
Hopefully the fact that smisa support it will quieten some of the dissenters who clearly have not been to any of the meetings!

The current BOD are tired, they want out.
Well why don't they step down then?
All they want is their pay off, why else have they been snapping up shares left right and centre?
Here is the real alternative.
Do not support the CIC, have a fresh BOD's voted in. Build the members bar and continue to run a tight ship at St Mirren Football Club.

I would lower taxes, increase police numbers on the street, increase pay for nurses and bring back the death penalty.
Vote David G !!!!!

I would lower taxes, increase police numbers on the street, increase pay for nurses and bring back the death penalty.
Vote David G !!!!!

I have David's excellent suggestion a step further with the creation of this new sub-forum dedicated to all things CIC related.
If you have a question by all means start a new topic and I will ask the 10000Hours team to review and respond as quickly as they can.
Please review the threads or the Q&A thread to see if your question has already been asked and answered.
All chat relating to the CIC and the sale of the majority holding will be moved into this section from here on, hopefully making it easier for both the question askers and those answering them !

Following this suggestion I have merged the 2 threads running on the Club buy out and the CIC 10000 Hours.
Please keep the all club buy out and 10000 hours discussion to The original thread here.
Feel free to ask direct questions only on this thread, if you want to discuss the Q&A's copy and paste them to the original thread.
It may seem like a pain but it keeps things tidy and allows people to quickly read through questions and find answers without having 60 odd pages to go through.
Thanks to 10000 hours coming on and answering some questions, there's no guarantee that he will be able to answer the question you might have but you are far more likely to get an answer if you post it in here were he doesn't need to search through 100's of posts looking for questions.......
Edit- I have been cutting and pasting the questions into here along with the answers from 10000 hours.

Mods, is there any chance that this thread could be altered/merged with another thread so that it was exclusively conversation about/with 10000 Hours?
I feel a bit embarrassed when I see the 10000 Hours Representative having to read through some right nonsense. I know I’ve posted some silly stuff before but if I was the aforementioned representative, I’d be cringing at the language and personal nonsense going on in here and wondering why I was involved in helping out a Football Club supported by some silly boys and girls.

You're taking a lot of interest in this for someone who has stated many times that he has no interest in St.Mirren.
We know your game.Now f**k off and take your shit stirring elsewhere fatty.
Leave us, as St.Mirren supporters, to discuss what matters to our club.

Have a GD, despite the red one you gave me yesterday

Not at all.
I don't care.
(ps no need for that pesky apostrophe...)

No idea what you're on about mate, but you're getting a red dot for it anyway

1. Isn't a "count" - it's pedantry of the highest (read lowest) order.
2. Glad to see you have been nominated to speak for all atheists on this matter. When did this happen? Or were you naturally selected to be the representative? Of course, that can't be the case as it is the smartest that rise to the top, not the most smug/arrogant... If I have understood the theory correctly.
You should really read Dawkins et al for some concise and accurate information on Atheism instead of assuming what you believe to be true and spouting it on here as if it is fact.
Atheists do indeed adhere to an ideology, the ideology that there is no Christian God. If Christians believe that there is a God and that He is revealed trough the scriptures and through the person of Jesus Christ, then the Atheist ideology is opposed to this. It is impossible to not have an ideology. Ideology is defined as the study or concepts and ideas. In the context used in this thread it is about beliefs or lack of beliefs that form that way that a person lives. Even if someone doesn't know that they have an ideology, the way that they look at life, the things that they do, their aims and goals all for their ideology. A person can't have no ideology.
Christianity, or any other religion for that matter, doesn't "bind people in one mindless mass". That is Atheist scaremongering and shows a clear atheist ideology and agenda to indoctrinate people about the "evils" of religions. Maybe some do, but most churches I am aware of encourage their members to think, study, debate and come to their own conclusions on matters of faith, doctrine, ethics etc. Religion and Christianity will always have extremists, but don't be foolish enough to allow the few to influence your view of the many.
And on that, to suggest that religion "binds people into one mindless mass" is an attitude the type of which you claimed atheists don't have. This makes you a religious bigot.
So, let me get this straight. A person's lack of a belief in a Christian God means that they will dismiss the teaching of the Christian faith and therefore hate Christian teaching and what the Christian faith stands for. And this type of hatred, of a belief system is perfectly rational? So, extreme negative emotion because a person doesn't hold to the beliefs of another person is the product of careful thought? So, if I hated Darwinism and the exponents thereof, that would be borne out of rational thought? Or is it just your point of view, your own hatred, your own prejudices, your own bigotry and your own non-ideological ideologies that are a result of rational thought and everyone else's are a result of... Eh... Mashed potato? Pie in the sky? The TV? What? Your point of view is conceited and arrogant to the highest order and really quite offensive to read and process.
Just as not all Christians (Roman Catholic or Protestant) are bigots, neither are all Atheist. They are happy believing what they believe and, when given the chance, will respectfully put their point of view across. But others, like You Bluto, are bigoted. They (you) spout derisive, maligning, negative, scaremongering, ill-informed misinformation in a mocking and condescending tone and try to so in the name of rational or religious or atheistic superiority. It is sickening to read and smacks of hypocrisy. Thankfully most people, religious or atheist aren't like you and don't spout as repulsive and ignorant bile as you do.
Live and let live, buddy
Hope this helps.

But I don't hate the OF. I care too little about them to hate them. And I care very little about my friends' and family's support of them.
An organization/institution isn't 'a thing'. It is a non-entity. It is some ink on a piece of paper and a few electronic signals on a hard disc on the a computer at Companies House or OSCR, or the likes. It is people who make institutions. And if you are offended by an organization, it is because of the actions of the people who make up that institution. Ink and electronic data cannot rationally be hated and they cannot offend.

Yawn.
What a boring and predictably dim response.
If you look closely, you'll see that I only ever commented on the nature of your posts, never on you as a person. Ok, maybe once when alluded to the fact that you might be smug and arrogant. However, anyone reading your posts couldn't fail to agree. So to say that insults are the "first refuge of those who don't understand" (or some cack like that) really is quite irrelevant. Or it would appear to be irrelevant until you rad through your post and realise that you make comments about me not understanding because you use big words (an insult), comments like 'surely you get that?' (insults), arrogant comments about double negative use and how you are so much better (insults), as well as the general condescending and insulting tone of the whole post.
Using your own argument, you don't understand what you are talking about.
On the double negative comment, perhaps it would have been better presented as "a person can't have 'no ideology'". It isn't a double negative but a contradiction to a previous comment. I was hardly going to say "a person can have an ideology", as that wasn't the point I was making. Instead of attempting to be a smart-arse pedant, try reading what people write and just replying to it. The fact that you believe that you know and can apply the English language better that some other people doesn't make you any better, smarter, stronger or superior to anyone else. Maybe no-one has told you that before, so I'm telling you now. It doesn't make you look big or clever. It makes you look like an arrogant prick. No-one is impressed.
I'm sorry, but it is impossible to find an institution repugnant. Institutions are people. They are made up of people. Exist because of people. Exercise their rituals because of and through people. Without people there would be no institutions. Their rules, traditions, theories, beliefs etc are all products of what people have said and done. It is impossible to hate an institution and not hate the people who are part of that institution.
Finally. How is "hope this helps" wrong? Wrong to who? Wrong for what? Wrong how? Wrong why? I'll tell you what is wrong, though: "I hope this helps? (question mark)". You can't put a question mark at the end of a statement.
Anyway, I'm bored of this now.
Hope this helps

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That was most Saints fans opinion of Higdon at the start of this season.

Don't know if you've seen the evolution one but just had an image of you and Ross from Friends boxing about this

Don't know if you've seen the evolution one but just had an image of you and Ross from Friends boxing about this

What a f'kin pointless thread!

I'm gaun to work and i'll no be listening on the Radio.
f**kEM !!!
Ye can buy me low fat chips at Hampden in the Semi Final.
I'll be there ...

Anyone know anywhere in Ulsan SK where they show SPL football, everyone shows the English Premier League but haven't seen the SPL anywhere (yet).

Faraway in 3D - this I've gotta see!

Oh Tracy, you are a one.
Next addition to the FFFC soon to be announced, could be interesting, might splash out on new pants.

A green dot for both sensible posts from Pozbaird and Reynard

Have you read this thread? Thye amount of people jumping to the defence of a religious organisation astounds me.
Anyway will this group of worshippers be paying the £10k to join the CIC or are they getting a freebie?
Will they use the affiliation with St Mirren FC to promote themselves in the eyes of the young thus assisting them in indoctrinating the young into there bizarre ways?
In a modern society should we really accept religion at face value when the creationism story has been completely and utterly disproved by Darwinism?
Is religion really a force for good or a force for evil bearing in mind how it stands in the way of science and tries to undermine our understanding of the real origins of life?
Is a football forum really the place to have such a debate?
If not then does that indicate that a football club is not the place for a religious organisation at all?
Is it fair to expose children to these religious zealots?
Will these zealots issue the Supra's with free tambourines as a thank you?
What about a triangle then?
Or a guitar?
Is this the beginings of a cult?
Could we have bible readings over the tannoy system prior to kick off?
Are you aware of the story of the Sodomites?
Is this really an acceptable way to treat woman in a modern society?
Exactly who at the club is pushing this drive toward organised religion at our football club?
Were the Crusade's really wrong?
What about the second Crusade then?
And the third?
Should we have another Crusade, maybe an oil crusade?
Who is the better fighter, Moses or Jesus?