bazil85

Yeah.... Glad you picked up on that.

I got a row for highlighting that awful attempt at spin.
He then goes on to deny it and will blame you for symantics!

We should know that when he says a few he doesn't mean it literally. He quite obviously means a few hundred!

Why doesn't he just say a few hundred? Good question!

Still wouldn’t work in knowing if there were a majority of saints fans for or against this. Secret vote for fans that might not be comfortable admitting they are in favour of the current arrangement. 

So would I if it was done in such a public way, not so much if it was a private vote. 

I have no doubt the JR season impacted our crowds positively, my point is more there isn't really evidence the two stand deal is impacting negatively or driving fans away long-term. If that's going to be part of the argument, I think it needs to be clear what it's based on.
I agree though, I think a lot of the positive stuff around the club like W1, entertainment for young fans, 1877 club for older fans is having more of a positive impact than this is having a negative one so I would just be a bit conscious of that point. (this is just in support of sending this email if that's what you want to do, nothing more) 
Dividing the benefit over 19 games then saying we lost 263 fans over three games are not like for like figures. You'd have to take that 263 multiply it by three then divide by 19 if I have understood what you're trying to do here, both need to be compared for their impact over 19 games. I would be skeptical about the validity of the numbers anyway based on the point I'm about to make but an increase on average of 263 fans compared to a loss of 41 is still good from a financial perspective. It also doesn't consider that we historically seen a dip in home fans for these games anyway, something most fans have accepted. So I wouldn't say we can say with confidence fans not attending is purely down to the two stand arrangement. 
No I wouldn't support that approach at all, peer pressure could be a big impact on fans standing or sitting, fans being singled out for their view (like some have been on here) fans not paying attention, fans that couldn't care less, actual counting of numbers. Secret, voluntary electronic vote for me. 

Fair enough
Just pointing out we do have a thread that's already open and I'm not seeing anything in it that's new.
I am not surprised this topic has ramped up again in light of the weekend & the upcoming Sevco game but I don't personally think this adds any value. Of course absolutely fine to start a new thread & see if any new grounds comes up, see what happens. 
I do also think people need to take these board posts with a pinch of salt. There's no evidence a majority of SMFC fans are opposed to this arrangement. 

You’re one of the absolute worst for it. 

Is there really any need? Subject has been done to death, board have clarified on several occasions it won't change until we have enough St Mirren fans to fill these empty seats, we'll own the club in a few years can review then if we wish. 
Side note, have Aberdeen, Hibs or Hearts ever sold out their one stand allocation? 

The bit about the policy regarding swearing in the family is irrelevant as when Rongers and Celtic visit the family stand is not used as a family stand.
  

I’m sure given the choice some fans would likely do a lot different from the current board. Same goes for practically any board & any football fanbase in the world. They’ve made a call that some might find unpopular for what they’ll see as the good of our club season on season. 
Personally I’d like to see the vote because I think it has the potential to show this subject isn’t one the majority of fans want changed/ care about. Same as we’ve seen time & time again with club benefits in SMISA votes for example. 
Two additional points I hope fans would take into consideration though in the event of a no. 
1. It’s not within SMISA control (yet) so don’t shoot the messenger 
2. Seven years isn’t all that long a time in our football clubs history. 

We wouldve been relegated last season if we never gave the bigots the stand.
Do you think we wouldve survived without Hladky & Popescu in the team?
Unfortunately that's why we need to do it

Fair enough
Just pointing out we do have a thread that's already open and I'm not seeing anything in it that's new.
I am not surprised this topic has ramped up again in light of the weekend & the upcoming Sevco game but I don't personally think this adds any value. Of course absolutely fine to start a new thread & see if any new grounds comes up, see what happens. 
I do also think people need to take these board posts with a pinch of salt. There's no evidence a majority of SMFC fans are opposed to this arrangement. 

Fair enough
Just pointing out we do have a thread that's already open and I'm not seeing anything in it that's new.
I am not surprised this topic has ramped up again in light of the weekend & the upcoming Sevco game but I don't personally think this adds any value. Of course absolutely fine to start a new thread & see if any new grounds comes up, see what happens. 
I do also think people need to take these board posts with a pinch of salt. There's no evidence a majority of SMFC fans are opposed to this arrangement. 

Is there really any need? Subject has been done to death, board have clarified on several occasions it won't change until we have enough St Mirren fans to fill these empty seats, we'll own the club in a few years can review then if we wish. 
Side note, have Aberdeen, Hibs or Hearts ever sold out their one stand allocation? 

Agree with all that, I don't imagine it'll be the first letter they've had either. 
Personally I would like to see a vote maybe use SMISA members or season ticket listings if possible. Not to change the decision because I think it's within the BoD rights as custodians of the club to do what they think is right for the financial health of SMFC. 
I would be quietly (maybe not overlay quiet let's be honest) confident the voting would reflect what we usually see with BTB. A majority for the arrangement that financially benefits our club. 

As Bazil says, the argument has been discussed to death on this forum.
We have those who are resolute (me included) in their belief that St Mirren FC should not be giving over the family stand to either of the 2 Glasgow teams as the shenanigans of them & the inconvenience to our own supporters is not worth it etc etc etc.
We have those who are resolute (Bazil included) in their belief that St Mirren should be giving over the family stand to both of the 2 Glasgow teams as the suggested additional revenue, their shenanigans and the inconvenience to our own supporters is worth it.
We can discuss it to death again if it's posted on here but the letter needs to be sent to The Secretary of St Mirren FC for to be brought to the attention of the St Mirren BoD officially to have any chance of getting a rethink/response from St Mirren FC.
Unfortunately, I think it will take a lot more than 1 letter to apply significant enough pressure on the BOD to encourage a rethink on this debateable money spinning strategy.
good luck with it.

Record home crowds & season ticket sales last season since moving to the new stadium. 
Interesting, might be something they consider expanding to other clubs. As long as we aren't filling seats I don't think we really have a comeback. If our fans don't like it, let's try encourage more fans back, already seen progress in this area recently as above. 

Well - I certainly dont try to speak on behalf of others or to act as a baromoter of opinion. I am a pragmatist. The remedy is in our own hands. Turn up in greater numbers.
If a few (maybe more than a few) on here attended home games then that would be a start. We do though have to become more inventive in bringing youngsters and famiies to the club on a regular basis. It has improved I grant you, but could still improve further.

Fair enough
Just pointing out we do have a thread that's already open and I'm not seeing anything in it that's new.
I am not surprised this topic has ramped up again in light of the weekend & the upcoming Sevco game but I don't personally think this adds any value. Of course absolutely fine to start a new thread & see if any new grounds comes up, see what happens. 
I do also think people need to take these board posts with a pinch of salt. There's no evidence a majority of SMFC fans are opposed to this arrangement. 

Wonder how many people are revising their opinions on this? 

Unfortunately I couldn’t make the game yesterday, but by all accounts it was a good performance despite the result. 
Hopefully this put an end to all the infighting about Gus and we can get back to supporting the best team in Scotland COYS 

Pass marks for all new signings today. If that continues, well done Gus & right approach. 

Pass marks for all new signings today. If that continues, well done Gus & right approach. 

You’re one of the absolute worst for it. 

Just a query given how long this website has been going. Is it a hard/ sickening feeling being an auto ‘everything about my club must be bad’ supporter? 
Enough of them surely to answer this.  

Just a query given how long this website has been going. Is it a hard/ sickening feeling being an auto ‘everything about my club must be bad’ supporter? 
Enough of them surely to answer this.