bernard albrecht Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 1982 Official World Cup Theme - Colourbox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST SID Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 RE: Neil Peart and Rush. The Unions of the pre-Thatcher era have developed a stereotyped image of being workshy, standing back with hands in pockets. Stereotype it may be but, unfortunately, stereotypes are based in at least a little truth and it can’t be denied Neil Peart would have witnessed such incidences when living in London in his pre-Rush days selling posters on street corners trying to make ends meet. Little wonder, then, that an individual and objectivist approach would be adopted by the man. Acknowledging that we are indeed responsible for our own actions enforces individualism by definition. It is therefore arguable that using this mind set one then moulds their own actions with the thoughts of cause and effect hence giving consideration to others. Employing such a mind process is central to many Peart lyrical themes and 2112 is as scathing an attack on imposed religion enforcing all freedom of thought to be eradicated as one may find. Your argument is an interesting one, St. Sid, and not without its merits. Ultimately this coincides exactly with how it should be with Neil Peart. Would one, who advocates being such an individual, be happy with fans who, sheep-like, agree with absolutely everything he commits to voice or would he prefer that fans give his philosophies due consideration and accept or discard them as they see fit? Neil Peart was no so much about freedom of choice but freedom to abuse. The free will song was in fact all about the strong oaks rights being more important than the maples - representing the Canadian Welfare State. Peart was in fact worse than Thatcher. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST SID Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 1982 Official World Cup Theme - Colourbox Think somebdy was hinting at your Nazi references Barney - are you sticking your head in the sand again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted April 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 (edited) Firstly Salman Rushdie is a disgrace and not a million miles away from Peart in outlook. The article on this isue was published by a non-muslim newspaper with clear malice in its intent. It is a wee bit like looking in the Daily Telegraph for a balanced view on the Palestinian situation. The difference with Cat Stevens or Yusuf is that he had already spent years supporting worthy causes throughout the world and more importantly addressed the misinformation of a malicious journalist immediately and consistently - whereas Peart and RUSH have maintained their right wing scumbaggery. Can we agree that The Rushdie Affair was not Cat's greatest moment? "Cat had already spent years supporting worthy causes throughout the world" - that's one way to describe going into Tax Exile! Like Bongo Mr. Banana I would not deny the right wing/libertarian element in Peart's lyrics however he has repudiated the less savoury ideas of his religeous fundamentalist co-travellers. Neil Peart was no so much about freedom of choice but freedom to abuse. The free will song was in fact all about the strong oaks rights being more important than the maples - representing the Canadian Welfare State. Peart was in fact worse than Thatcher. Wrong song! You're getting it confused with The Trees. It's (The Trees) about the perils of enforced egalitarianism, a common theme in SF dating back to Huxley's Brave New World at least. Free Will is new age jargon - meaningless. ***************************************************** Currently listening to a Trance remix of Wish You Were Here. Edited April 7, 2006 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Hughes in BlueSuedeShoes Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Wrong song! You're getting it confused with The Trees. It's (The Trees) about the perils of enforced egalitarianism, a common theme in SF dating back to Huxley's Brave New World at least. Er...a 'hink he was takin' the piss. Unless you're playing along and YOU'RE takin' the piss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted April 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Er...a 'hink he was takin' the piss. Unless you're playing along and YOU'RE takin' the piss. No I'm just a simple dude. I thought Sid was referring to the particular song Freewill. I'd have to look at the lyrics to The Trees but I don't recall them advocating the abolition of The Welfare State, as I said I see it more as an allegory along the lines of Brave New World. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McB Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Can we agree that The Rushdie Affair was not Cat's greatest moment? From memory, the clown was asked by a journailst if he would personally attempt to carry out the fatwa, his reply was to the effect of "no, I'd just make phone calls to a few people" Actually the funniest bit about the Rushdie affair was Salman, who wrote before it of Mrs Torture and her secret police running behind the skirts of the self same secret polis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chingford Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Like Bongo Mr. Banana I would not deny the right wing/libertarian element in Peart's lyrics however he has repudiated the less savoury ideas of his religeous fundamentalist co-travellers. I find it hard to believe BvB could be Mr Banana, Bud. Hard to credit he'd come out with this bollox: The Unions of the pre-Thatcher era have developed a stereotyped image of being workshy, standing back with hands in pockets. Stereotype it may be but, unfortunately, stereotypes are based in at least a little truth and it can’t be denied Neil Peart would have witnessed such incidences when living in London in his pre-Rush days selling posters on street corners trying to make ends meet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Ninjas Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 1. Sway-Bic Runga 2. Gorecki-Lamb 3.Spunky-Eels 4. 17 Again-Eurythmics 5.Wish you were here-Pink Floyd. I have a VERY pointy head today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazza Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 shamen - ebeneezer goode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin M Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Sam Cooke, Live at the Harlem Square Club. Maan, what a voice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 A Certain Ratio - Bootsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon templar Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 The Chemical Brothers - 'Out Of Control' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST SID Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 I find it hard to believe BvB could be Mr Banana, Bud. Hard to credit he'd come out with this bollox: That bit was copy and paste Ching BtB is right though, I was on about "the trees" pish. Here's part of the lyric: So the maples formed a union And demanded equal rights The oaks are just too greedy We will make them give us light Now there's no more oak oppression For they passed a noble law And the trees are all kept equal By hatchet, axe, and saw Historically the USA had a better welfare state, however it was the unionisation of Canada that saw the roles reversed. Peart would like to see the support system removed and the majority left at the mercy of the minority again. Not a very nice man at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaponsasaint Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 U2 AND MARY J BLIGE-ONE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Hughes in BlueSuedeShoes Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 (edited) Listening to La Villa Strangiato by Rush, a track about and in support of the willing repression of freedom of speech symbolised by the absence of lyrics. Editted to say:- On the other hand mibbe it's just an instrumental. Edited April 12, 2006 by Howard Hughes in BlueSuedeShoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon templar Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels - 'Breakout' Northern Soul magic... Also quite clearly ripped off by The Velvet Underground on 'Temptation Inside Your Heart' from the ' VU' album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon templar Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Shirley Ellis - 'Soul Time' Another piece of Northern Soul magic!! This time ripped off to great effect by The Go! Team on 'Bottle Rocket' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon templar Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Gloria Jones - 'Tainted Love' This time completely and utterly ripped off by that little effeminate missing-ribbed tosser in the 80s. If anyone likes the song, do yourself a favour and listen to the Gloria Jones version... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Hughes in BlueSuedeShoes Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 This time completely and utterly ripped off by that little effeminate missing-ribbed tosser in the 80s. Which, erm...which "little effeminate missing-ribbed tosser" would that be then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon templar Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Which, erm...which "little effeminate missing-ribbed tosser" would that be then? OK then, bearing in mind the alleged missing rib, maybe I shouldn't have called him a tosser. I'm sure he can do much better than that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Hughes in BlueSuedeShoes Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Well, the thing is....I've heard the "missing-rib" allegation about several shortarsed artistses, one of whom is from Minneapolis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaponsasaint Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Listening to La Villa Strangiato by Rush, a track about and in support of the willing repression of freedom of speech symbolised by the absence of lyrics. greig you know how to keep a boring arguement going rush are a great band my all time favs just enjoy the music Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST SID Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 (edited) Gloria was a bit dodgy too and of course robbed the world of Marc Bolan, another vastly over-rated dead person. It was of course an Oak tree and not a maple tree that the car hit. Edited April 11, 2006 by ST SID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon templar Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Gloria was a bit dodgy too and of course robbed the world of Marc Bolan, another vastly over-rated dead person. It was of course an Oak tree and not a maple tree that the car hit. But she sings it the way it should be done... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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