civilsaint Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 this is the guy who ran away when someone flung an egg at him,not exactly leadership material No, wrong. This is the guy that said he didn't have a problem with eggs being thrown at him. "Part of politics" he said. Do keep up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 8 figures from better together running his campaign for scottish labour leader. That'll go down well with labour members and voters who voted yes.And should also go down well with the majority of the population that voted "NO".Unassailable logic must have led to him being chosen, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 8 figures from better together running his campaign for scottish labour leader. That'll go down well with labour members and voters who voted yes. And the sizeable number that now feel they were duped into voting "No" by the desperate untruths spread by the cosy labour/conservative alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 (edited) Has the SNP employed Lord Haw Haw? Nobody was duped into voting NO. The last minute promises made a negligible difference. Meanwhile, the SNP spin machine has its subjects convinced otherwise. Meanwhile, the SNP spin doctors are convincing its subjects that evil labour must be killed for siding with the tories. What shite! Labour has been in turmoil for years with Blair and Brown making them unelectable... sod all to do with their stance on independence... ironically the one decision they have got right in years. As was stated to earlier... 63% of eligible voters did NOT vote for independence. Gonnae stop stamping your feet like a two year old wanting a sweetie and grow up! Democracy is not about throwing tantrums until you get what you want... regardless of what Saint Nicola tells you. Edited November 2, 2014 by BuddieinEK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Has the SNP employed Lord Haw Haw? Nobody was duped into voting NO. The last minute promises made a negligible difference. Meanwhile, the SNP spin machine has its subjects convinced otherwise. Meanwhile, the SNP spin doctors are convincing its subjects that evil labour must be killed for siding with the tories. What shite! Labour has been in turmoil for years with Blair and Brown making them unelectable... sod all to do with their stance on independence... ironically the one decision they have got right in years. As was stated to earlier... 67% of eligible voters did NOT vote for independence. Gonnae stop stamping your feet like a two year old wanting a sweetie and grow up! Democracy is not about throwing tantrums until you get what you want... regardless of what Saint Nicola tells you. There certainly are labour voters, whom I've spoken to, who voted "No" and feel duped. They now feel that labour in particular, following their pre-election bully boy tactics and their subsequent apparent failure to deliver on their "promises", don't deserve their vote. Hardly surprising since the hand of London labour is inserted firmly up Scottish labour's arse, controlling their every move. I'm sure appointing Murphy will change that though. Even wee Johann has said as much, with respect to the diktats from London. You can also factor in that Labour's Devo offering for the Smith commission is the weakest in terms of power to the Scottish people. There are plenty labour voters who don't trust labour on Scottish politics, who voted for independence, because they believed that it was the only way for labour to regain their true left wing. Again, I've spoken to such people. You'd better get used to independence being mentioned in UK politics, because it's not going away, as is clearly indicated by last week's polls and the democratic will of the 45% will keep it high on the political agenda. Quality rant though. Could almost hear the dummy being spat out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Just trying to wade through the dummies bud... they have already been spat by the 37%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Has the SNP employed Lord Haw Haw? Nobody was duped into voting NO. The last minute promises made a negligible difference. Meanwhile, the SNP spin machine has its subjects convinced otherwise. Meanwhile, the SNP spin doctors are convincing its subjects that evil labour must be killed for siding with the tories. What shite! Labour has been in turmoil for years with Blair and Brown making them unelectable... sod all to do with their stance on independence... ironically the one decision they have got right in years. As was stated to earlier... 67% of eligible voters did NOT vote for independence. Gonnae stop stamping your feet like a two year old wanting a sweetie and grow up! Democracy is not about throwing tantrums until you get what you want... regardless of what Saint Nicola tells you. your head is in the sand. voters were promised additional powers for holyrood and we were also told there was hardly any oil left in the north sea. Two whopping lies that had a sway on how people voted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 He has a great pedigree as a left wing politician , in 2006 he was in charge of bringing in the welfare reforms that are currently being used to whip the poor and vulnerable , then was named in 2012 on a list of Westminster MPs who were claiming £20k a year expenses for accommodation in London while at the same time renting out property in the Capitol. I also seem to remember him trying his hardest to whip up some kind sectarian backlash against the SNP prior to the 2007 election ? And they wonder why labour supporters are moving in droves to join the SNP. I gather he also voted in favour of the the last invasion of iraq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 your head is in the sand. voters were promised additional powers for holyrood and we were also told there was hardly any oil left in the north sea. Two whopping lies that had a sway on how people voted. Didn't sway any voters... and increased devolved powers will come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Didn't sway any voters... and increased devolved powers will come. that's your opinion, not a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambiebud Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 This just shows how far Labour have fallen. The best candidate to lead The Scottish Branch Office appears to be a right wing Blairite, based in London. A man with no principles. A politician who has trousered tens of thousands from Westminster expenses and has been linked with scandal. Also, a leader who is going to oppose the Scottish government from afar. Remember when Labour had the likes of Donald Dewar, John Smith etc. Tragic fall into the political abyss, along with Cleggs charlatans. Roll on referendum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Just trying to wade through the dummies bud... they have already been spat by the 37%. My casual observations on the matter lead me to believe that there's been more dummy spitting by the 55% than the 45%, since the vote. The 45% (which appears to be growing steadily) have recognised the disarray that the unionists are in, and are showing their true mettle by keeping the independence bandwagon rolling ,rather than wallowing in self pity and arguing amongst themselves. The unionists were naïve enough to think that the independence movement would be broken by a defeat. They were wrong. All they've done is poked a hornet's nest with a big stick. We'll see how that pans out in due course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 My casual observations on the matter lead me to believe that there's been more dummy spitting by.... The 45% .... are showing their true mettle by keeping the independence bandwagon rolling ..... The unionists were naïve enough to think that the independence movement would be broken by a defeat. They were wrong. All they've done is poked a hornet's nest with a big stick. We'll see how that pans out in due course. Going by that post, we'll be drowned in empty clichés by the time another go at Pretendypence comes along.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Going by that post, we'll be drowned in empty clichés by the time another go at Pretendypence comes along.... You You 're right Bulltoe Jim will be a great labour leader loved by everone so he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Labour ... new or otherwise... had imploded and lost all credibility in Scotland long before the independence referendum. That is my point here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 They lost credibility not long after 1997 - throughout the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidg Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 (edited) They've all got zero credibility. Think I'll vote green in the GE. No wonder people can't be arsed turning out at the polling stations. Edited November 2, 2014 by davidg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Didn't sway any voters... and increased devolved powers will come.You can't back up either of these 'facts' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Labour ... new or otherwise... had imploded and lost all credibility in Scotland long before the independence referendum. That is my point here.Possibly, however new depths were plumbed during referendum. Allowing themselves to be bankrolled by tories, darling attending tory conference and getting a standing ovation, telling pensioners they would lose their pension if they voted yes.There's three reasons... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Possibly, however new depths were plumbed during referendum. Allowing themselves to be bankrolled by tories, darling attending tory conference and getting a standing ovation, telling pensioners they would lose their pension if they voted yes. There's three reasons... Indeed , there were a few incidents that took place before the referendum that , had someone said prior , that they would happen , you would never have believed them . Cameron asking the Queen to make a political statement was one. . New depths were plumbed by Labour and their temporary new pals. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 You can't back up either of these 'facts'You can't prove otherwise on the first point and time will prove me right on the second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 So you admit you can't back up either of those "facts" then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 ........empty clichés.......Pretendypence Pot, kettle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 So you admit you can't back up either of those "facts" then? If it makes your semi a full blown hard on then aye... now away and relieve your tension. Here's me thinking opinions were permitted on a discussion forum. Silly me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 Here's me thinking you were allowed to challenge opinions expressed as fact on a discussion forum. Silly me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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