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Scottish Independence Model Is Dead

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This subservience, Cabey...?

It seems only you suffer from it. ohmy.png

I don't.

The 55% who voted I am sure don't feel that way.

Scotland is currently part of a union. A union that is often dominated by Scots at the top. So how can Scots feel subservient about that?

It may sound good as a slogan or printed on a t-shirt, but it's thin gruel...

It may well work in order to keep a political party in power in Scotland. It doesn't work as a separation tactic. That's crystal clear.

What Bell was pointing out helpfully is that what they were peddling to Scots was economically illiterate and that the position has worsened. There is no credible vision for independence. Thats why the SNP have binned any firther attempts. There will likely need to be an antirely new generation of nationalist politicians and thinkers coming through with something different before we are ever back in another referendum campaign. Its over until that happens as the current lot arent up to the job.

All they have done is make sure that the UK left is split and cannot govern the UK anymore. If thats their aim then its worked beautifully because in spite of what anyone in here thinks of the current UK government, they are going to be in power for a long time. The left as a bloc is balkanised quite nicely.And in spite of the wailing about how shit Blair was, its 40 years since a non Blair Labour government was elected. You govern from the common ground. Labour currently does not occupy it and it's lost Scotland to a bunch of nationalist fantasists. Game over for a generation at least.

And I think you understand this pretty well even if our nationalist chums are totally oblivious.

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It may be your opinion, that doesn't make it fact.

I offered 55% who voted plus myself, who didn't - as not feeling subservient.

What are your substantiating facts?

England 55million against us with 5million.

Who is under control?

We have a Tory government who put down Scotland at every opportunity.

How much support do they have in Scotland?

We as a country don't get the government we vote for.

How is that democracy?

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England 55million against us with 5million.

Who is under control?

We have a Tory government who put down Scotland at every opportunity.

How much support do they have in Scotland?

We as a country don't get the government we vote for.

How is that democracy?

Scotland agreed to remain in the UK. We just held a nationwide election and elected our government.

You'll get the chance to elect your regional assembly members in a few months.

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Scotland agreed to remain in the UK. We just held a nationwide election and elected our government.

You'll get the chance to elect your regional assembly members in a few months.

Scotland is a country no matter how much subservient fools like you think otherwise.

Maybe a man who sticks his cock in the mouth of an animal represents you but he does not represent me.

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It may be your opinion, that doesn't make it fact.

I offered 55% who voted plus myself, who didn't - as not feeling subservient.

What are your substantiating facts?

What England wants, England gets.

That's not an opinion - it's a fact and you can do the maths to prove that yourself.

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This subservience, Cabey...?

It seems only you suffer from it. ohmy.png

I don't.

The 55% who voted I am sure don't feel that way.

Scotland is currently part of a union. A union that is often dominated by Scots at the top. So how can Scots feel subservient about that?

Because even with a handful of token Scots or Welsh at the top, the vast number of English MPs means that effectively it requires approval from England before anything can be brought into law.

You can count right?

And able to work out what percentage of Parliament votes are in the hands of English MPs?

And you are able to make deductions from those calculations?

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here but quite frankly you don't appear to be as intelligent as you think you are.

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England 55million against us with 5million.

Who is under control?

We have a Tory government who put down Scotland at every opportunity.

How much support do they have in Scotland?

We as a country don't get the government we vote for.

How is that democracy?

Those same 5 million Scots voted in the democratic referendum to stay within that democratic union, then in the recent elections, voted democratically for each of their local candidates.

What could be simpler?

The fact that within the overall democratic union that you voted for, your wish for a non-Tory government failed (many blame the Jocks for voting as they did, for that 'failure', btw...), is just the hard cheddar that comes occasionally in a democracy.

It may not be a perfect system but it's as good as there is on the planet. So far.

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Scotland is a country no matter how much subservient fools like you think otherwise.

Maybe a man who sticks his cock in the mouth of an animal represents you but he does not represent me.

That voted to remain in the Union.

Cameron is the Prime Minister of the country. I'm sorry if you have problems getting your tiny brain around that, but it's not really any great concern of mine. You can continue to wail in the corner if you like.

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Intelligent debate as per usual son.

What power does Scotland have?

There's no point in a debate with you. You proved in the Paris thread you are thick as f**k.

The fact that you don't appear to be aware that for the majority of last 20 years Scotland has provided the country with politicians in some of the most powerful positions in the Westminster Government, not least TWO Prime Minister, TWO Chancellors of the Exchequer, One Home Secretary, and TWO Defence Ministers only serves to prove this.

Thick as f**k

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Scotland is a country no matter how much subservient fools like you think otherwise.

Maybe a man who sticks his cock in the mouth of an animal represents you but he does not represent me.

Scotland is a country that democratically voted to remain in the Union. Perhaps you fail to understand the concept of democracy. Not really a surprise given you are quite obviously a Natsi. :rolleyes:

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You're right. Its nothing new on here. It was stated many times by me, nosferatu, Reynard, Rick and Bluto amongst others that the SNP White Paper was a work of utter fantasy. Zurich Allen also ripped apart the case for EU Membership as outlined in the White Paper.

You, Coward, Clueless and the Sudo Intellectual Pygmy attempted to resolutely defend the White Paper and all its assertions. Coward is even on record claiming Scotland would be richer if it was independent. rolleyes.gif

Its not new but it's nice to see at least one author admitting the SNP were guilty of deception. Thank f**k for the 55% that saved Scotland.

Coward is posting on this forum? And I thought the average IQ was going down as well.

And as for trying to call into question someone's intellect with a typo, I love it!

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What England wants, England gets.

That's not an opinion - it's a fact and you can do the maths to prove that yourself.

No.

It IS an opinion.

As usual you want me to find the facts to support your opinions. I'm not playing.

Go google.

Just as you should for you to learn about Sharia law within British society. I can't be arsed doing your spadework for you.

Because even with a handful of token Scots or Welsh at the top, the vast number of English MPs means that effectively it requires approval from England before anything can be brought into law.

You can count right?

And able to work out what percentage of Parliament votes are in the hands of English MPs?

And you are able to make deductions from those calculations?

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here but quite frankly you don't appear to be as intelligent as you think you are.

Wow. That's a fabulous concoction. You're not offering FACTS, you're professing racism. First ageism and now racism... how will you get your hat-trick?

I've never believed UK law and Parliament is racially motivated, and so respond to any Jockish nonsense by pointing out there have been people of Scots birthright at the top, on occasion.

Politicians don't vote according to their nationality - Nationalists, excepted.

Next you'll be blaming votes not going the way you FEEL (like Cabey) that you wanted them to.

And you'll be blaming it on them all being old foreigners..

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Scotland is a country that democratically voted to remain in the Union. Perhaps you fail to understand the concept of democracy. Not really a surprise given you are quite obviously a Natsi. :rolleyes:

No I'm not be keep trying sonny.

I have never voted SNP in my life although I would like to see my country not be ruled by England.

I am well aware how many Scots have been in the top posts like Uncle Toms but it doesn't put Scotland in any better position.

Keep playing thicko dicko.

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No I'm not be keep trying sonny.

I have never voted SNP in my life although I would like to see my country not be ruled by England.

I am well aware how many Scots have been in the top posts like Uncle Toms but it doesn't put Scotland in any better position.

Keep playing thicko dicko.

Oh dear. "Uncle Toms" - I believe that is a racist term.

So lets see - by my reckoning in the last few days you've proven to be anti democratic, stupid, offensive, and now racist. Keep playing....:rolleyes:

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Oh dear. "Uncle Toms" - I believe that is a racist term.

So lets see - by my reckoning in the last few days you've proven to be anti democratic, stupid, offensive, and now racist. Keep playing....:rolleyes:

Read your history thicko Dicko Uncle Tom is not a racist term.

What is democratic about what good old Uncle Sam does to the world?

Killing children in Iraq has really solved the world's problems hasn't it dicko?

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Scotland is a country no matter how much subservient fools like you think otherwise.

Maybe a man who sticks his cock in the mouth of an animal represents you but he does not represent me.

He is your Prime Minister.

Mine too.

I voted for him.

You didnae.

That's life.

I didnae vote for Nicola Sturgeon.

She is my First Minister.

That's life too.

Nae reason to get angry.

Have a day off Cabey.

Edited by shull

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He is your Prime Minister.

Mine too.

I voted for him.

You didnae.

That's life.

I didnae vote for Nicola Sturgeon.

She is my First Minister.

That's life too.

Nae reason to get angry.

Have a day off Cabey.

Why the hell would you vote for an anti-Scottish party Shull.

You lived through the Thatcher years.

Did you not see what she did to us?

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Why the hell would you vote for an anti-Scottish party Shull.

You lived through the Thatcher years.

Did you not see what she did to us?

Because it is a British Election to vote in a British Government.

I was never out of Work during the Thatcher and Major years.

God bless Maggie.

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Because it is a British Election to vote in a British Government.

I was never out of Work during the Thatcher and Major years.

God bless Maggie.

So in a British election we want an anti-Scottish party?

Plenty of people were Shull and a hell of a lot of them in Scotland.

She even stole milk from weans.

Thankfully she is rotting in hell and can longer do any harm.

Rot in hell Maggie rot in hell.

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Because it is a British Election to vote in a British Government.

I was never out of Work during the Thatcher and Major years.

God bless Maggie.

Aye cos aw the theivin MP's were at it , started claiming dodgy taxi expenses..............I hope you were not complicit in this heinous abuse

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Scotland agreed to remain in the UK. We just held a nationwide election and elected our government.

You'll get the chance to elect your regional assembly members in a few months.

We voted to remain in the UK at the independence referendum. The Conservative government got 15% of the vote in Scotland at the last GE and is beginning to dismantle the Welfare State on a mandate not clearly defined because of the focus put on the post election horse-trading that was bound to happen, well hell mend us.

Like I said about Alex Bell he's just a hired pen who was never committed to independence anyway. 2014's been and gone we're living with the consequences of that and the GE vote. My opinion is that the present hegemony where Scotland is governed by a party with 15% of the vote is unsustainable and that unless the Conservatives can substantially increase their share of the vote in Scotland there'll be another referendum and that it'll be fought according to the situation at the time.

I trust that the next pro-independence campaign will be run a lot better than the 2014 one, which I was highly critical of.

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So in a British election we want an anti-Scottish party?

Plenty of people were Shull and a hell of a lot of them in Scotland.

She even stole milk from weans.

Thankfully she is rotting in hell and can longer do any harm.

Rot in hell Maggie rot in hell.

Lol

She never done me harm

Poll Tax was cheaper than Rates for me.

My Tory MP was Scottish.

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