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I thought this very thing earlier today. Everyone was so quick to just dismiss this without a shred of evidence. The fact is that, no matter what you think of Jackson or anyone else in the media, they have contacts and they speak to people who have deep connections within all the big Scottish clubs on a daily basis. Comments like this aren't made without substance because these guys have reputations to uphold. Not everything they see or hear can be reported in a news article either. Something within our club is seriously wrong and sadly, I fear that it is now ingrained and unlikely to disappear very quickly.

I'm certainly not going to panic. It's a disappointing result but I'm still excited to see what our new strikers can bring this season, along with Wylde - this is his time to step up. However, can Jim Goodwin please get to f**k out of our starting line-ups? He never learns and never will, and we cannot afford to carry his constant suspensions. Go out and spend the extra £2k a week to bring in a quality holding midfielder who has some discipline, and get Goodwin on the bench if he must stay.

No - you said it was time the fans started backing him. We've backed him since day one. What has Jim Goodwin actually contributed to recent performances/results, apart from more bookings, suspensions and controversy? I love a player that gets stuck in and wins tackles but think about Hugh Murray in his prime - he got on with his job and concentrated on trying to help the team win games. Goodwin is just proving a liability now and he isn't performing the job he's paid to do - win tackles, win balls and feed our more creative players. I'll be happy to see him walk out the door with Danny this summer.

I think he is a marked man now but start backing him? The fans have backed him since the moment he signed. I'm getting fed up now if the chat constantly being about Goodwin after every game. It just shows he isn't doing his job properly - helping us to win football matches. He either does that or f**ks off. If he wants to play the villain and get booed every week, he can go do a stint in a theatre somewhere. We need our captain to be a leader and show by example in both his performances and attitude. I don't think we get that from Jim Goodwin any more.

Yes, they are paid a decent wage to kick a ball and I'm not denying that. But a lot of these guys have known nothing else than decent wages for the majority of their football careers. They know that they'll still get paid those wages no matter how they perform - if not at St Mirren, then elsewhere. What we need, therefore, is someone who's willing to inspire them - someone they trust and want to gain the respect of. I don't think Danny is commanding that kind of position any more and he's had previous with pissing players off by dropping them for no reason or tinkering too much and not giving them a chance to impress. We're just going through the motions. Can you really blame Adam Campbell for not having done much in recent games when he's been thrown on the bench for no reason? He made an instant impact for us but a few weeks later, he's getting 10 minutes here, 5 minutes there when we're chasing games. That's crap. That's not giving him a chance to make a difference. Is he really going to go and give 100% when he knows he'll likely be back on the bench again next week? Don't get me wrong, I've criticised players in the past for not performing to the level expected for the kind of wage they get. I don't agree with footballers' high wages, but that's not going to change. I know what difference it can make when an employee feels valued and has an incentive to impress their boss - and that's what we need now.

The thing that really gets to me is the lack of passion - from anyone. When was the last time a Saints player or manager showed some emotion? Probably Steven Thompson in celebrating the second goal against Hearts in the cup final. Since then - and even before then - we've shown next to no desire or passion to win football games and take St Mirren to the highest level we can go. That's not necessarily a criticism of the players because as an employee, you have to be given an incentive to go out and produce the best you can with passion and desire. We have some very good players in our squad and they're playing at a level which is far from their best. I would run through brick walls covered in fire and smashed glass for St Mirren. Our players need to be insipid to that level. They're so far off it right now and we need someone to change that. They don't necessarily have to know the club, but they have to know what it means to pay for a football club and what it means to the fans - the people who keep that football club going. Danny Lennon isn't that man. I don't know who is, but it's about time the board found him. I'm not asking for the world, simply for my team to actually have a go at winning football matches and giving their all in doing it.

Hence why, when you're 2-1 down in a cup tie, a striker you have on loan from a Premier League team and who has scored as many goals as Paul McGowan in a third of the appearances of McGowan should get more than five minutes to make an impact.

Nope, that's just you. Not one poster mentioned Lennon since the post about him being let go. So can you please explain why you brought Danny's name into it? Is it just because you're desperate to be 'in the right'?

It's not another cheap shot. Our team needs leadership, it needs instruction, because it is a f**king shambles. Our manager and captain hid today and gave our team no direction. Every ship needs a captain to steer it and it's about time Danny learned that being the manager isn't just about telling the team what to do at the start of the game - it's about talking them through the game and giving instructions. My boss doesn't just tell me what to do and leave me till I finish - he's there to keep tabs, give guidance, tell me if I need to be more efficient, quicker, better. If I gave a performance like the players did today - and it certainly ain't the first time, it's not the 10th time - I would be severely reprimanded and my job would probably be on the line, no matter what the competition. If I ultimately wasn't performing, wasn't good enough, and was having an effect on the progress of the business (football club in St Mirren's case), I would be replaced by someone deemed to be more competent. Why should football managers and players be any different? Especially when their performance is directly impacting on the customer, the people who keep this football club going and the people who dedicate vast amounts of time and money to it. Can I just ask for someone to justify why Danny and a Tommy should keep their jobs?

There was no 'abuse' of Craig. The unrest was because our team were capitulating and on the brink of being victims of a cricket score. Craig was out on the touchline at the time and the fans were asking for something to change. He turned round and put his hand up, as if to say 'We've got this covered'. I don't condone personal abuse but the criticism directed at the dugout was completely justified.

Agree 100%. Today was a disgrace. I'm sorry, Dundee United are a good team but did they have an experienced head among their 11? Rankin maybe? Other than that they were a young team and they tore us, a team packed with experience and apparent quality, to shreds. They were good, but we let them be Barcelona. That's the worst performance I've seen by a Saints team in a good couple of years. We have the ball away every time, we couldn't create anything, we couldn't pass, we couldn't tackle, we couldn't mark. What does Lennon do to counter it? Nothing. He waits till we're three down and looking likely to conceded about five more before he changes any personnel. Then he brings on the only options we have - a flattering to deceive Harkkns, Caprice - has he ever seen a football? - and a young defender at right back. That's the level of options we have available to us. Meanwhile, United bring on the classy Gomis and even leave Goodwillie on the bench. I respect Danny for the cup win but I'm absolutely fed up of turning up at games, particularly away, to be given nothing - absolutely NOTHING - to make we want to return. No passion, no flair or creativity, no excitement, nothing to make me think there's some hope that we might be progressing as a football club. Nothing. We have an excellent young player in John McGinn - he's potentially our best young player for years - and we should be building the team around him. Utd are doing it with Gauld, so why not us? Instead, we give imposters like Goodwin and Newton more game time and try to play McGinn as a winger. It's absolute crap and it'll be the ruin of our best young footballer for a generation. Finally, well done to the Saints fans who turned up today in very good numbers, and well done for not being afraid to make your feelings very clear to the management team. Tommy Craig clearly acknowledged the unrest and it's good to know they are hearing us loud and clear. I can normally pull the positives from a performance but today, there were none. There wasn't even a glimmer of promise anywhere. We were like a 2nd or 3rd division team playing the Old Firm, such was the gap in quality, desire and ability. If we ever want to become the top six team we're consistently lied to about having the potential to be, we must bring in a manager who is unafraid to ruffle a few feathers, and open our chequebook for him. Otherwise, we're done as a football club looking to compete on the biggest stage and we might as well consign our hopes to avoiding relegation every year, at best. If that's the heights we can look forward to league-wise, I'm sorry to say I'm out. I can't support a club and team which has such a massive lack of ambition while others around us thrive.

^^^ Leigh Griffiths IMO.

Glad we got another thread on the situation. Definitely what was needed so that we can all go over the same arguments for the 14th time this week.

No references to hyenas, jungles or lions? Drew must go, IMO.

He's a great guy and I respect his right to an opinion but I think he's way off the mark here. He said St Mirren fans were behind Danny Lennon "100 per cent". Wrong, Tony - take a look around you. A League Cup win is but a distant memory when you've had six months following when you've won one match - and a meaningless one at that.

The most secretive government documents are intended to be confidential but people still talk and discuss things and information is still leaked. In a relatively small and tight-knit workplace like a football club, people are going to hear whispers and rumours and people are going to leak information they perhaps shouldn't. Posters on here might be talking shite but how are you or anyone else in a position to claim they're wrong? It's very conceivable that Danny hasn't used his full budget - it's not like they're making some outlandish claims about things here. Considering Div revealed that the club may still bring in more new faces after we'd signed the new French striker, there is every chance there was more money left in the budget.

The problem with asking that question, Drew, is that nobody knows the answer. If anyone on here knew the right man for a job like this they'd be a very rich person themselves in advising football clubs on their next moves. We shouldn't use an apparent lack of other options as an excuse to keep Danny on. He's had his chance, his time has come. He hasn't taken us forward (league wise) in more than three years despite others on a similar level doing otherwise. Danny was the right appointment for this job for half a season (2011/12) when we played our best football in years, and for two days in February and March this year. Otherwise, I've never believed he was the man to make us a top-six outfit. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, though. Who comes in? Who knows. I don't think many Saints fans can answer that. We don't have the knowledge behind us from people inside the game as to who's done well where. Guys like Hartley look good on paper, but I've never seen him performing as a manager and I've never seen one of his teams play, so it's impossible to promote him or anyone similar as a possible replacement. I accept that change for change's sake is not an option, because it has to be the right man for the job. But surely it's not beyond us to find that right man. At the end of the day, both Gus and Danny will go down in Saints history books as successful managers, to a certain degree - Gus for getting us promotion and keeping us up in his first year, and Danny for the cup win. So you have to say that the BOD has got its last two appointments right, in some respects. We have to trust that they'll do the right thing, should Danny depart. I think they made the right call last time on the timing of Gus's departure and I get a feeling that now is the right time for Danny's. We need some fresh ideas and I'm sure there are dozens of potential managers out there whose ideas would work here. With the Hearts situation as it is, we do have something of a safety net - though we can't become complacent about that. The time is now to bite the bullet and make the change before it gets too late.

You didn't mean to do this I'm sure, but that sentence epitomises the problem we're in just now. We're already thinking about staying above a team which started fully FIFTEEN points behind us and has a handful of recognised top-flight players in its ranks. And we're only four games into our league campaign. We should not be looking down once this season, but our current players and manager have got us doing exactly that. Something has to change and that's why people are calling for that to happen.

Haven't got the energy to read nine pages of this but 'don't boo your team'? FFS, get a grip. I respect your views on here, Drew - but fans all over the world boo people at football matches, their own team or otherwise. It happens, get over it. We have much bigger problems right now than some fans expressing their displeasure in yet another defeat by a team full of cup-winning 'heroes' who haven't kicked their own arse for six months.

Probably the coolest man ever to grace St Mirren Park. Ever. In the history of football, dodgy red jackets and sunny days in Paisley.

I would agree that people need to be more patient if it was a one-off. But the fact is that we've been trying to do the same thing in the league for three years now and largely failing. I think that frustration has built up over time so that it's only going to keep getting worse. It's been clear our defence hasn't been good enough for a long time now and yet we seem to keep employing the same tactics - and I think that's why people are now quicker to criticise than they perhaps were after one bad performance/defeat a few years ago. I don't make every game but I admire those that do, especially the long journeys. They must have the patience of saints (pardon the pun). I think, by and large, football fans are patient because they have to be. So calling for even more patience, on top of years and years of dedicated patience, is really stretching things a bit far. How much longer must we be patient for?

Good to hear this Div. But in all fairness, us fans do more than our fair share. We've turned out in huge numbers in the past and often been left so disappointed by performances on the park. Granted, our last big occasion we did not do our usual of following through in front of loads of people and we actually won, but the players then failed to back that up with further good league performances to keep the crowds interested. I know there's a difference between spending your money to simply watch the game and getting behind the team vocally, but the majority of fans need something to get excited about in the first place. I went to Tynecastle last year when we were walked all over by a young Hearts team we'd won a cup against barely two months before. A section of our support carried on singing, dancing and generally having a great time. Did we get a reaction on the park? Did we hell. It's these kinds of moments which leave a bit of a bitter taste, if I'm honest. Every single St Mirren fan who attends a game is getting behind the team simply by being there. We aren't all singing and dancing types - but 100% of fans will clap when they see something they like. I think it's about time we were given a really good performance by this group of players - a large majority of whom won us that cup - to show that they aren't just one-trick ponies and to repay the support we continue to give them through thick and thin. These guys get paid to win football matches. It's time for them to stand up and prove they're better than just the team everyone thinks Hearts could catch.

He couldn't speak while you put your giblets in his mouth...

*Three years. We won't stop letting in soft goals until we get a coach who can teach our players to not be scared of physical contact, tackling or challenging for the ball. We need a manager who can do the basics of organising a team and building from there. We are the biggest soft touch around right now and if we come up against a good team this season we could take an absolute doing (if we haven't done so already). We have won one game, competitive or otherwise, since March 17. We've won three league matches since December 30. We are making no progress in the league and that is the bread and butter. Time is up for Danny Lennon, thanks for March 17 but you've done all you can here.

Just seen the highlights. Absolutely f*cking amateur hour from St Mirren. Our organisation and defending is an absolute shambles. I am quite convinced that Danny Lennon will get us relegated.