saintnextlifetime Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 & you need to check what the thread is about Bud. Nothing to do with the Iraq war. Correct but the destabilisation of lraq by the Anglo-American junta, led to the current situation in that area and the creation of the organisation that those two individuals were a part of . . Rocket science it aint. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Correct but the destabilisation of lraq by the Anglo-American junta, led to the current situation in that area and the creation of the organisation that those two individuals were a part of . . Rocket science it aint. . You say correct but continue to refer to the Iraq war. Al Qaeda have been in existence for decades,& certainly pre -Iraq war. This lot are a taking advantage of the current chaos in Syria & are hoovering up a whole host of disgruntled forces in the area under the ISIS or ISIL name . They are firmly in the "If you`re not with us you`re against us " camp & as for your silly rocket science bit ? if it was that f**kin simple dont you think it may have been settled (or at the very least , controlled ) by now ?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) You say correct but continue to refer to the Iraq war. Al Qaeda have been in existence for decades,& certainly pre -Iraq war. This lot are a taking advantage of the current chaos in Syria & are hoovering up a whole host of disgruntled forces in the area under the ISIS or ISIL name . They are firmly in the "If you`re not with us you`re against us " camp & as for your silly rocket science bit ? if it was that f**kin simple dont you think it may have been settled (or at the very least , controlled ) by now ?!?! Oh , ffs . . I have no further comments to make on the situation . . Edited September 8, 2015 by saintnextlifetime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Oh , ffs . . I have no further comments to make on the situation . . Seeing as you had to edit that ......... i think that`s wise . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 America has been destabilising Syria for years. Israel has sold drilling rights in the occupied Golan heights to a company that Rupert Murdoch and rothschild have interests in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) Why make this announcement now, when the drone strike took place last month? Is it an attempt to divert attention from Cameron's failure to attempt to deal with the refugee crisis over the past few years and his continual conflation of the number of EU citizens moving to the UK with the numbers seeking asylum? There was an interesting piece on Call Kaye on Radio Scotland this morning, when a Syrian living in Aberdeen since 2013 and working in the oil industry applauded the drone strike but made the point that Bashir al-Assad has been responsible for many more deaths of ordinary Syrians than the so-called Islamic State; indeed 3 of his relatives died in Syrian prisons. I think that, despite all of the info available to us, few of us have any real idea of what is happening in the Middle East. Yup, it's hard to see it as anything but a titbit to the UKIPers in the electorate after having been shamed into taking in some refugees. ************************ While I don't have much sympathy for the dead guys (as opposed to their families) I disagree with the killings both morally and tactically as I feel it will only drive more disaffected young Muslins towards violence which I would reckon is the opposite of the government's intention. If history tells us anything it is that in these situations peace is generally achieved when leaders are willing to risk unpopularity and make concessions - to jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war! Edited September 10, 2015 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Yup, it's hard to see it as anything but a titbit to the UKIPers in the electorate after having been shamed into taking in some refugees. ************************ While I don't have much sympathy for the dead guys (as opposed to their families) I disagree with the killings both morally and tactically as I feel it will only drive more disaffected young Muslins towards violence which I would reckon is the opposite of the government's intention. If history tells us anything it is that in these situations peace is generally achieved when leaders are willing to make risk unpopularity and make concessions - to jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war! I do agree Bud , however you have to understand the mindset of the "Enemy" here. They dont want to talk , they`ve openly stated their opposition to anything not in their thinking. They have beheaded dozens of Aid workers who are trying to help the population, It is their stated aim to de-stabilise the whole of the Arab world so they can move into each country in turn & impose their own brand of radical Islam. This is a very different enemy the world is facing , i`m not sure dialogue is their strong point . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Who armed and trained them Callum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Who armed and trained them Callum? What , oh , you think thats a trick question ? Everyone knows the West & USA in particular supplied weapons & training. Did you think you were going to tell me news ? & Btw ? Where have i said anything on either side of that argument that prompted your comment ? At the moment though , most of their arms, rpgs & heavier artillery are coming via the old soviet bloc countries . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 You'll see kidney machines replaced by rockets and guns And the public wants what the public gets But I (still) don't get what this society wants. 35 years old and still bang on the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murray street Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Bollox wisnae mentioned in my copy of the Daily Mail. I will recheck. Lying swine, nae daily mail in the library Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murray street Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 what a great idea to bomb Syria..! i am sure that along with the bombing of libya will help the mass migration crisis away from war torn lawless states no end... What a clever prime minister we have. he bombs them to 'simplify' stuff for them, so they have to head to europe and take advantage of our superb welfare state, surplus housing stock etc.. surely this sort of action will deter anyone else who could be radicalised from following suit? well done Dave, you had that broom for 25 years mate? just changed the head and handle every year. He's just made himself a huge target for homegrown nutjobs now, expect his security will be considerably tighter now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 What , oh , you think thats a trick question ? Everyone knows the West & USA in particular supplied weapons & training. Did you think you were going to tell me news ? & Btw ? Where have i said anything on either side of that argument that prompted your comment ? At the moment though , most of their arms, rpgs & heavier artillery are coming via the old soviet bloc countries . It wasn't meant as a trick question. You acknowledge that they are armed and trained by usa and it's allies. USA has been destabilising Syria for years now. A lot of the commanders aren't in isis due to any religious ideology. They are ex leaders from saddams army. The links between the interventions in Iraq, Libya and Syria are all there if you look beyond the media manipulation and propaganda being put forward to get us into another war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 America has been destabilising Syria for years. Israel has sold drilling rights in the occupied Golan heights to a company that Rupert Murdoch and rothschild have interests in. Rupert Murdoch? The Australian Media Mogul who Nicola Sturgeon keeps having meetings with? Hmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Ffs sturgeon! Get Syria sorted now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Got to love those lefty wankers. First they don't want us to make Syria safe for the people who live there. They don't want any military intervention there. Then Syrians start fleeing their country. Next thing we know they are drowning trying to get to the safety of Europe. Now they want military intervention - they want our Navy to spend all their time patrolling vast expanse of the Med trying to find the tiniest rubber dingys - ensuring, of course that we rescue every single one cause heaven help us if one person drowns. Then they want us to open our country to any and all of the 22.85m Syrians who are fleeing, even though most of them don't actually want to come to Britain. When our Government says we'll take loads of asylum seekers but we don't want to encourage them into the Med so we'll get them from the refugee camps the daft f**kers get all critical again and they roll out the wee would be dictator to announce she'd happily take Asylum Seekers into her home - presumably to get them to work as cheap cleaners for her earning cash in hand. And then when it's revealed that our government killed a couple of people who were plotting to plant bombs in the UK the same idiotic left wingers criticise our government for protecting us. All I can say is thank f**k these Nationalists and Socialists are nowhere near our defence and foreign policy. What a f**king disaster they would have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 The trolling is getting more desperate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 It wasn't meant as a trick question. You acknowledge that they are armed and trained by usa and it's allies. USA has been destabilising Syria for years now. A lot of the commanders aren't in isis due to any religious ideology. They are ex leaders from saddams army. The links between the interventions in Iraq, Libya and Syria are all there if you look beyond the media manipulation and propaganda being put forward to get us into another war. My initial contribution to this thread was to respond to the assertion that this situation was caused by Britain invading Iraq.That patently is not true. As i pointed out Al qaeda had been active for years before the Iraq war. The fact that the people involved were part trained & funded by the west is not up for debate, they were. Yes there are links to the conflicts you mention , but the sole cause ? No , i don`t think so. To lay the blame solely at the horrible west is a gross over simplification, these groups have existed for years & will take their funding & arms from whichever source they can find . Media manipulation ? Show me a government ANYWHERE in the world that doesn`t try to use the media of the day to its own advantage . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Not the sole cause, perhaps, but we still need to acknowledge our part and take responsibility for the consequences. But StuD's right (as always) it's yet another example of SNP Bad. Ffs people, open your eyes! God only knows what will become of us when they're re-elected... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TediousTom Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 The Motherwell fan has certainly had a melt down, certainly had a melt down indeed. The situation under discussion here is quite simple, despite repeated attempts by people such as the Motherwell fan to complicate it. These two wallers had the benefit of education in our country yet they chose to go to Syria. The killing of these two wallers was entirely predictable to any reasonable person and as much as I dislike the current UK government I must praise them in this instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 "wallers'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Got to love those lefty wankers. First they don't want us to make Syria safe for the people who live there. They don't want any military intervention there. Then Syrians start fleeing their country. Next thing we know they are drowning trying to get to the safety of Europe. Now they want military intervention - they want our Navy to spend all their time patrolling vast expanse of the Med trying to find the tiniest rubber dingys - ensuring, of course that we rescue every single one cause heaven help us if one person drowns. Then they want us to open our country to any and all of the 22.85m Syrians who are fleeing, even though most of them don't actually want to come to Britain. When our Government says we'll take loads of asylum seekers but we don't want to encourage them into the Med so we'll get them from the refugee camps the daft f**kers get all critical again and they roll out the wee would be dictator to announce she'd happily take Asylum Seekers into her home - presumably to get them to work as cheap cleaners for her earning cash in hand. And then when it's revealed that our government killed a couple of people who were plotting to plant bombs in the UK the same idiotic left wingers criticise our government for protecting us. All I can say is thank f**k these Nationalists and Socialists are nowhere near our defence and foreign policy. What a f**king disaster they would have been. so what's your take on syria then? Who should we bomb and who should we support in this one? Is Assad now the good guy? Was arming the rebels a mistake that tags on with the myriad of other foreign intervention mistakes that have unsettled a region (that just happens to be oil rich). Was it maybe a case that after iraq and afghanistan - two massively unsuccessful invasion / occupations, that the allies had no resources to act on syria? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Nipper Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Ffs sturgeon! Get Syria sorted now! Oh not just Nicola alone. If only Kezia would move, get herself a bigger flat she could take in a few Syrians as well................all helping together, sorted in no time. ffs. Never heard such puerile and infantile slabberings for many a year as that of those two proclaiming about would you / could you / take in Syrians to your home. The level of childish exchange we have reached in politico land now......................... I despair. In fact, FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Nipper Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 "wallers'? Yes, wallers, I was muddled, although I do think it may be similar to the use of warmer, another wee cheeky chappy sort of put down. For simplicity I prefer the generic Walloper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 so what's your take on syria then? Who should we bomb and who should we support in this one? Is Assad now the good guy? Was arming the rebels a mistake that tags on with the myriad of other foreign intervention mistakes that have unsettled a region (that just happens to be oil rich). Was it maybe a case that after iraq and afghanistan - two massively unsuccessful invasion / occupations, that the allies had no resources to act on syria? We (that is Europe and the US) should have overthrown Assad in 2013 when the socialists and nationalists forced the country to sit on its hands. Had we done that we'd have throttled ISIS early on. Instead we left desperate people to turn to whatever help and support they could get and we gave ISIS a strong foothold in the country. As for now well there is nothing the UK can do unless parliament backs the government and it's military advisors. All we can do in Syria is act in our own self defence as we did do with the drone strike. Our inaction is a result of us being a democratic country following the will of the majority. That's no bad thing. But what I can't stand is how revisionist the same people become when criticising the government for doing nothing when the only reason it's doing nothing is because they blocked the government from taking action. The pathetic point scoring over the refugees is utter ridiculous and should be called out for the political opportunism that it really is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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