Eu Referendum

[oaksoft]

1 hour ago, Stuart Dickson said:

Give or take? Aye you're figures are right on the button give or take several £billion.

Let me try to simplify this. The ticket price for UK membership to the EU is £350m. We've negotiated a discount - the rebate - which means we never actually pay the ticket price. The people running the EU don't like that the UK get a discount and every year they try to renegotiate it. Each year our local authorities, our governments, your science and education groups have to submit applications to the EU for funding. Funding requests can be confirmed or denied for any reason what so ever. None of that is guaranteed either and we have very limited control over it. 

Now what vote leave were saying is that if we come out of the EU we don't have to pay this money - the £350m ticket price with a discount that might be applied - and if we don't have to pay this money then the UK Government can decide how we want to spend it in the UK without any interference from outside influences. That may mean £350m per week being spent on the NHS, or it may mean £350m per week being spent on science and education. Or it may just mean the money gets divvied up and split round all the things we think are worthwhile in the UK. None of that is in any way factually wrong. Indeed its so obvious you wonder why anyone would agree to give someone else all their money to allow them to decide how to spend it for us in the first place - especially since the EU retain a significant proportion of this money by ways of lets call it a handling fee. 

What are you talking about FFS. It CANNOT mean £350m to the NHS or science or education because there IS no £350m!!!

[shull]

Tempers are fraying. 

Not nice when we aw fall oot. 

There will be a Hate Crime before the day is out. 

[Isle Of Bute Saint]

8 hours ago, Stuart Dickson said:

I've asked you many times, you voted to leave because of your anger at being replaced in your job by an EU immigrant. What has changed in the last 6 days that you now want to vote to rejoin the EU by backing Scottish Independence? 

 

I will need to wait and see what is on the table ( IF ) there is a second vote for independence as we have a 15 billion black whole in Scotland's accounts. Thats a huge black hole to fill with what ( tax ) Will need to wait and see what the facts are first so at the moment i'm on the fence. 

[faraway saint]

2 minutes ago, shull said:

Tempers are fraying. 

Not nice when we aw fall oot. 

There will be a Hate Crime before the day is out. 

Feck off then. 

[shull]

MODS!!!!!! 

[bud77]

2 hours ago, Stuart Dickson said:

Give or take? Aye you're figures are right on the button give or take several £billion. 

Let me try to simplify this. The ticket price for UK membership to the EU is £350m. We've negotiated a discount - the rebate - which means we never actually pay the ticket price. The people running the EU don't like that the UK get a discount and every year they try to renegotiate it. Each year our local authorities, our governments, your science and education groups have to submit applications to the EU for funding. Funding requests can be confirmed or denied for any reason what so ever. None of that is guaranteed either and we have very limited control over it. 

Now what vote leave were saying is that if we come out of the EU we don't have to pay this money - the £350m ticket price with a discount that might be applied - and if we don't have to pay this money then the UK Government can decide how we want to spend it in the UK without any interference from outside influences. That may mean £350m per week being spent on the NHS, or it may mean £350m per week being spent on science and education. Or it may just mean the money gets divvied up and split round all the things we think are worthwhile in the UK. None of that is in any way factually wrong. Indeed its so obvious you wonder why anyone would agree to give someone else all their money to allow them to decide how to spend it for us in the first place - especially since the EU retain a significant proportion of this money by ways of lets call it a handling fee. 

If we come out of the EU but want to maintain access to the single market then we will have to pay towards it as well as meeting all the conditions of EU membership, accepting their legislation, free movement of people etc. So the £350M, which is actually £250M a week with the rebate or is it £150M a week with the university and agriculture subsidies, or is it actually less when you also take account of the money paid to fund regeneration projects in deprived areas could well end up costing us more after Adolf Farage's little tantrum yesterday.

 

[Kendo]

4 minutes ago, bud77 said:

If we come out of the EU but want to maintain access to the single market then we will have to pay towards it as well as meeting all the conditions of EU membership, accepting their legislation, free movement of people etc. So the £350M, which is actually £250M a week with the rebate or is it £150M a week with the university and agriculture subsidies, or is it actually less when you also take account of the money paid to fund regeneration projects in deprived areas could well end up costing us more after Adolf Farage's little tantrum yesterday.

 

But you forgot they need us more than we need them. 

Another whopper that a few have fallen for.

[bud77]

9 minutes ago, Kendo said:

But you forgot they need us more than we need them. 

Another whopper that a few have fallen for.

And it's gonna be fun once the people find out they've been well and truly conned. Pitchforks and bonfires spring to mind.

I also wonder if Gideon has a reason for not issuing an emergency budget but saying one will be needed in the coming months. A new prime minister with a new chancellor, very few experienced trade negotiators in the country - I just hope the fallout is on the right people.

[Kendo]

31 minutes ago, bud77 said:

And it's gonna be fun once the people find out they've been well and truly conned. Pitchforks and bonfires spring to mind.

I also wonder if Gideon has a reason for not issuing an emergency budget but saying one will be needed in the coming months. A new prime minister with a new chancellor, very few experienced trade negotiators in the country - I just hope the fallout is on the right people.

It has all the ingredients for social unrest that could spill over onto the streets. I just hope that Boris is in the middle of the ensuing shit storm.

Edited June 29, 2016 by Kendo

[Stuart Dickson]

2 hours ago, oaksoft said:

I will need to wait and see what is on the table ( IF ) there is a second vote for independence as we have a 15 billion black whole in Scotland's accounts. Thats a huge black hole to fill with what ( tax ) Will need to wait and see what the facts are first so at the moment i'm on the fence. 

Edited June 29, 2016 by Stuart Dickson
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[Stuart Dickson]

I will need to wait and see what is on the table ( IF ) there is a second vote for independence as we have a 15 billion black whole in Scotland's accounts. Thats a huge black hole to fill with what ( tax ) Will need to wait and see what the facts are first so at the moment i'm on the fence. 

 

Dunno what's happening there. The quote function appears to be broken. Each time I try to use it I get a quote box with Oaksofts name in it. Anyway fair enough IoBS. I'm still confused as to what you are sitting on the fence about. A £15m budget  black hole and the SNP want to take you back into the EU so more Romanian Chefs can steal jobs. I'd still be interested to find out what lies the leave campaign told you. 

[Stuart Dickson]

59 minutes ago, bud77 said:

If we come out of the EU but want to maintain access to the single market then we will have to pay towards it as well as meeting all the conditions of EU membership, accepting their legislation, free movement of people etc. So the £350M, which is actually £250M a week with the rebate or is it £150M a week with the university and agriculture subsidies, or is it actually less when you also take account of the money paid to fund regeneration projects in deprived areas could well end up costing us more after Adolf Farage's little tantrum yesterday.

Yeah, you are making the mistake of believing that the leave campaign wanted us to rejoin the EU club. They didn't. They wanted us to leave and to set up our own trade agreements. They were pretty clear about that. They argued we'd be taking back control of our laws, our sovereignty, our borders and of our money. Vote leave didn't lie. They just did what the majority of politicians appear to do where they use facts and then spin them. The SNP are different though. They made an outrageous prediction on the price of oil against all their own expert advice, then they wrote the White Paper document claiming it was all fully funded by the inflated oil price that they were predicting. History and reality now shows this was nothing but a dishonest con trick that almost deceived a nation. Thank f**k for the 55% of Scots who were so heroic in saving our nation. 

[Stuart Dickson]

But you forgot they need us more than we need them. 

Another whopper that a few have fallen for.

Hmmm, time will tell. I don't think that was a lie, but we'll find out over the course of the next few years. It'll be interesting to see if there is an EU and to see just how many members are left come 2019. Maybe, like Arthur Donaldson, Nicola Sturgeon fancies being the German lap dog. 

[Stuart Dickson]

48 minutes ago, bud77 said:

And it's gonna be fun once the people find out they've been well and truly conned. Pitchforks and bonfires spring to mind.

I also wonder if Gideon has a reason for not issuing an emergency budget but saying one will be needed in the coming months. A new prime minister with a new chancellor, very few experienced trade negotiators in the country - I just hope the fallout is on the right people.

Are you saying I should hang onto these cans? There's no sign at all of civil unrest in Wishaw right now. I'm not feeling worried. 

 

[Hambud]

Reffydumdums

Bring them on

Played 2 , Won 2

 

Sounds like a rangers fan before the "big tax" case ^^^^^^^^

[Nigerian Panda]

This reminds me of my divorce ... u want it but just dont understand how much its realky going to cost you! Total melt down and start again. 

[stlucifer]

I don't know what he's spouting but, by the shear number of  posts, one after thr other, he must be having a feckin' breakdown. Please don't quote him guys.

[shull]

41 minutes ago, Hambud said:

Sounds like a rangers fan before the "big tax" case ^^^^^^^^

Why the 8 wee pointy arrow doodahs when you already quoted me ? 

[bud77]

Yeah, you are making the mistake of believing that the leave campaign wanted us to rejoin the EU club. They didn't. They wanted us to leave and to set up our own trade agreements. They were pretty clear about that. They argued we'd be taking back control of our laws, our sovereignty, our borders and of our money. Vote leave didn't lie. They just did what the majority of politicians appear to do where they use facts and then spin them. The SNP are different though. They made an outrageous prediction on the price of oil against all their own expert advice, then they wrote the White Paper document claiming it was all fully funded by the inflated oil price that they were predicting. History and reality now shows this was nothing but a dishonest con trick that almost deceived a nation. Thank f**k for the 55% of Scots who were so heroic in saving our nation. 

I did say if they want to come out the EU but keep access to the single market, there's no mistake there. That is the noises that have been made so far. Of course we could always leave altogether and let business take the additional costs for shipping, import duty etc and pass that on to the consumer so we then see price rises and who knows what with inflation.

Ive no idea why you've brought the snp into this discussion, at the last independence referendum I voted in what I thought was scotland's best interest - no. If there's another referendum I'll look at the details and vote in scotland's best interest again, but I won't be getting those details from politicians, I'll do proper research again

[Hambud]

Why the 8 wee pointy arrow doodahs when you already quoted me ? 

They look nice though not as nice as these ☆☆☆☆

[shull]

These are more relevant

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[Hambud]

These are more relevant

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz 

You might be right.

[Isle Of Bute Saint]

I will need to wait and see what is on the table ( IF ) there is a second vote for independence as we have a 15 billion black whole in Scotland's accounts. Thats a huge black hole to fill with what ( tax ) Will need to wait and see what the facts are first so at the moment i'm on the fence. 

 

Dunno what's happening there. The quote function appears to be broken. Each time I try to use it I get a quote box with Oaksofts name in it. Anyway fair enough IoBS. I'm still confused as to what you are sitting on the fence about. A £15m budget  black hole and the SNP want to take you back into the EU so more Romanian Chefs can steal jobs. I'd still be interested to find out what lies the leave campaign told you. 

Chef to trade yes a catering manager was my position running vessels of 400 personal where I came in below budget every year much more than other vessels with romainian catering managers that's where my bitterness comes from. Though I am happy to be away from that life it still does not stop me from feeling bitter as I trained a lot of them.

[nosferatu]

it's funny to see the Scottish middle class lefties whinging about the leave vote

the folk that voted leave, the working class, are the ones that these well off lefties pretend to care about!

social unrest spilling into the streets?

aye, I can just see the middle class pretend socialists spilling onto the streets!

tony the gimp soprano leading them

 

 

 

[nosferatu]

it's all ok anyway

the bank of England has promised more quantitive easing

they're going to buy back premium bonds from fat slarti's gran!