faraway saint Posted January 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, StanleySaint said: Yes, the clarity of the situation has been muddied by the lack of distinction between 'with covid' and 'of covid' the important point in the statistical battle is that the measure is consistently maintained and there is certainly some doubt over people's use of the data to suit their agenda. 39 minutes ago, waldorf34 said: https://youtu.be/9UHvwWWcjYw Freedom of information regarding dying with/due to covid Yes, the facts of the matter are that for the whole of 2020 and the first 9 months of 2021 the number of deaths recorded DUE to covid were 17,371. (England & Wales only, I'd imagine adding in Scotland & N. Ireland wouldn't make this anywhere close to the scary numbers preferred by the media) As that doesn't make good "news" the choice of the media is the "with covid" data. Makes you wonder, especially with the recent variant being even less dangerous than the early variant(s). These figures are from the ONS, a much trusted source for many throughout this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 FFS, if you want him to unblock you just stop blabbering. [emoji6]I have a sneeky feeling that you've edited his post, ya wee rascal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted January 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, Slarti said: 5 hours ago, Cookie Monster said: FFS, if you want him to unblock you just stop blabbering. I have a sneeky feeling that you've edited his post, ya wee rascal. He did, he removed the "love and kisses" bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 4 hours ago, bazil85 said: Best estimate from the 28 day stats is around 90% of the deaths are Covid caused, as in the person would not have died if they didn't catch Covid. The other 10% are thought to be coincidental. However it is a red herring, there is likely more people that have died from Covid after 28 day periods have elapsed or who were never diagnosed. So the 28 day figure as it stands now of around 153,000 is very likely to be an Under estimate. People still bringing this point up almost two years later have not read into the question they are asking. Care to back up your “facts” with real scientific evidence? You have certainly bought into this fear culture that Governments and MSM have instilled in the countries around the world. Many people are dying unnecessarily from other conditions that would normally be treated to at least provide a better quality of life for cancer patients, etc. You can carry on living under the dark clouds and Government control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 Care to back up your “facts” with real scientific evidence? You have certainly bought into this fear culture that Governments and MSM have instilled in the countries around the world. Many people are dying unnecessarily from other conditions that would normally be treated to at least provide a better quality of life for cancer patients, etc. You can carry on living under the dark clouds and Government control. He's admitted that he uses "fact" as a synonym for "opinion" but (obviously) only HIS opinion, so don't hold your breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Monster Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 I have a sneeky feeling that you've edited his post, ya magnificent one.How do you do that? [emoji14] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 3 hours ago, SuperSaints1877 said: Care to back up your “facts” with real scientific evidence? You have certainly bought into this fear culture that Governments and MSM have instilled in the countries around the world. Many people are dying unnecessarily from other conditions that would normally be treated to at least provide a better quality of life for cancer patients, etc. You can carry on living under the dark clouds and Government control. Sure. - excess death stats show beyond all reasonable doubt that Covid was killing people in large numbers - it’s fact that many people (such as care home residents who are some of the highest risk) were not being tested for Covid in the first wave (and to a lesser extent at other times). These deaths would not be included in the 28 day stats - recent analysis show it can take around 35 day’s from catching Covid to death. This will also mean there are people that died from Covid after the 28 day threshold. - as for your point on cancer & other diseases, it’s a myth that we could have handled these far better without concentrating on Covid. despite very strict lockdowns, the NHS was very nearly overwhelmed several times. What else could we have done? Not focused on Covid & focused on these other diseases. That would have ended up with FAR more sick Covid patients (and NHS staff) in hospital… generally where we treat our cancer patients. ‘Good luck with your chemo today, by the way the doctor, two nurses & five people on this ward all have a transmissible respiratory virus that is VERY dangerous to you at this time’ yeah that would have been no problem 🤦♂️ But why take my word for any of this? Go do your own research on this publicly available information & if you still think it’s wrong, challenge the highly educated scientists & data analysts that are concluding (following peer review of course) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted January 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 24 minutes ago, bazil85 said: Sure. - excess death stats show beyond all reasonable doubt that Covid was killing people in large numbers - it’s fact that many people (such as care home residents who are some of the highest risk) were not being tested for Covid in the first wave (and to a lesser extent at other times). These deaths would not be included in the 28 day stats - recent analysis show it can take around 35 day’s from catching Covid to death. This will also mean there are people that died from Covid after the 28 day threshold. - as for your point on cancer & other diseases, it’s a myth that we could have handled these far better without concentrating on Covid. despite very strict lockdowns, the NHS was very nearly overwhelmed several times. What else could we have done? Not focused on Covid & focused on these other diseases. That would have ended up with FAR more sick Covid patients (and NHS staff) in hospital… generally where we treat our cancer patients. ‘Good luck with your chemo today, by the way the doctor, two nurses & five people on this ward all have a transmissible respiratory virus that is VERY dangerous to you at this time’ yeah that would have been no problem 🤦♂️ But why take my word for any of this? Go do your own research on this publicly available information & if you still think it’s wrong, challenge the highly educated scientists & data analysts that are concluding (following peer review of course) Never read so much drivel, and that says something. You actually BELIEVE this, which confirms you're level of understanding of almost anything. By the way, which way should I sail to stop me falling off the flat earth, thinking of going on a cruise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, faraway saint said: Never read so much drivel, and that says something. You actually BELIEVE this, which confirms you're level of understanding of almost anything. By the way, which way should I sail to stop me falling off the flat earth, thinking of going on a cruise? It is what the evidence says. Which part exactly don’t you believe & what educational background have you got to challenge it? 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted January 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 10 hours ago, waldorf34 said: https://youtu.be/9UHvwWWcjYw Freedom of information regarding dying with/due to covid 13 minutes ago, bazil85 said: It is what the evidence says. Which part exactly don’t you believe & what educational background have you got to challenge it? 🤷♂️ It's what the FACTS say, why don't you believe them and what O level did you get to be in a position to challenge anything? Feck off, we've done this to death, you're a simpleton and I'm done with playing your game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 It's what the FACTS say, why don't you believe them and what O level did you get to be in a position to challenge anything? Feck off, we've done this to death, you're a simpleton and I'm done with playing your game. Yeah, evidence is not conclusion. It can point you in a certain direction, and the more evidence you have that points in the same direction, the more confidence you can have in that direction, but it is NOT a conclusion in and of itself. If it was, you would only need one piece of evidence to conclude anything at all - the sky is blue so is the sea, so the sky is made of salt water and has fish in it - see, dead easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Monster Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 It's what the FACTS say, why don't you believe them and what O level did you get to be in a position to challenge anything? Feck off, we've done this to death, you're a simpleton and I'm done with playing your game. Questioning someone's intelligence with a non existence qualification in Scotland. Almost a thich as fcuk faux pas [emoji14] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted January 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said: Questioning someone's intelligence with a non existence qualification in Scotland. Almost a thich as fcuk faux pas Oh, my. Edited January 22, 2022 by faraway saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Monster Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 Oh, my. [emoji38]Oi, that was after a couple of Bucks Fizz breakfast refreshments. [emoji1787] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted January 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just now, Cookie Monster said: Oi, that was after a couple of Bucks Fizz breakfast refreshments. Did make me laugh when you look at the context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 Quebec, Canada's second-most populated province, has introduced a number of restrictions on unvaccinated people's day-to-day life and soon plans to charge them a health tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 On 1/21/2022 at 11:41 PM, faraway saint said: It's what the FACTS say, why don't you believe them and what O level did you get to be in a position to challenge anything? Feck off, we've done this to death, you're a simpleton and I'm done with playing your game. Embarrassing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted January 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 🏆 The Award for Worst Excuse of The Year goes to…… 🥁 NICOLA STURGEON!!! 🙌🏼 This is a beauty…. When confronted about the fact that Scotland’s tighter restrictions in December had zero impact on infection rates (something that ScotGov’s own report admitted to)…. When it’s pointed out that an ONS survey last week calculated 1 in 20 people in Scotland (with restrictions) had covid compared to 1 in 20 people in England (without restrictions)… The FM says… ‘…MODELS predicted we’d have 50,000 infections a day, we never got near that’. The same MODELS on Omicron that Sage themselves have now admitted were wildly wrong by an epic margin??? Hundreds of millions in tax revenue and ‘support’ was wasted on shutting down #nightclubs and restricting #hospitality in December….people lost jobs and businesses closed permanently as a result. How many cancer wards, extra nurse staff and hospital beds could that have paid for? Worth it? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 [emoji471] The Award for Worst Excuse of The Year goes to…… [emoji1623] NICOLA STURGEON!!! [emoji1373] This is a beauty…. When confronted about the fact that Scotland’s tighter restrictions in December had zero impact on infection rates (something that ScotGov’s own report admitted to)…. When it’s pointed out that an ONS survey last week calculated 1 in 20 people in Scotland (with restrictions) had covid compared to 1 in 20 people in England (without restrictions)… The FM says… ‘…MODELS predicted we’d have 50,000 infections a day, we never got near that’. The same MODELS on Omicron that Sage themselves have now admitted were wildly wrong by an epic margin??? Hundreds of millions in tax revenue and ‘support’ was wasted on shutting down #nightclubs and restricting #hospitality in December….people lost jobs and businesses closed permanently as a result. How many cancer wards, extra nurse staff and hospital beds could that have paid for? Worth it? Really?I think it's reached the stage where we just have to live with it, unless a particularly dangerous variant appears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted January 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Something occurred to me with the 1 in 20 people in Scotland having caught this scary Omicron variant, that means 95% of the population didn't catch it. Kinda makes you wonder why the scaremongering continued from the government & the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmac Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 I think you will find that if you look at the ONS figures the 1 in 20 is the number of people who had covid in a particular week, not the total number who have ever had Omicron. They reckon at the moment 97% of Covid infections are Omicron. Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey, UK - Office for National Statistics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted January 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, ianmac said: I think you will find that if you look at the ONS figures the 1 in 20 is the number of people who had covid in a particular week, not the total number who have ever had Omicron. They reckon at the moment 97% of Covid infections are Omicron. Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey, UK - Office for National Statistics My apologies, I overlooked the time period. Still, 95% of people NOT having it in a week is less of a worry to some than the choice of numbers used by Governments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted January 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2022 We've got an "outbreak" of cases at our work right now. Teo people from 40, the usual over reaction means we're ALL tested every morning. The two guys are fighting fit but will lose money for having the "cold", not even the flu. Never mind, the media have lost interest, this will, fingers crossed, disappear soon and all the malingerers will get back to work rather than sitting on their arses watching Phil & Holly every morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted January 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 Well done Neil Young, prepared to put his money where his mouth is and make a stand. Shame on Spotify, allowing this muppet to spout lies and damaging information to millions. If I had Spotify I'd bin it immediately, the only way these corporate numbskulls will do the right thing. https://inews.co.uk/culture/music/neil-young-songs-spotify-removed-joe-rogan-podcast-covid-claims-row-explained-1427435/amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted January 28, 2022 Report Share Posted January 28, 2022 5 hours ago, faraway saint said: Shame on Spotify, allowing this muppet to spout lies and damaging information to millions Div does the same……………although to be fair it’s to dozens rather than millions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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