Tam M

Well, I have contacted SG to try and get some clarification about the budget, if it has been cut and if it has been cut quite a bit or not. SG usually responds with any other questions I've had in the past and so I'm hoping he'll do the same here. Nobody else seems to have went and actually asked the BoD, but everyone seems happy enough to speculate.

Well, I have contacted SG to try and get some clarification about the budget, if it has been cut and if it has been cut quite a bit or not. SG usually responds with any other questions I've had in the past and so I'm hoping he'll do the same here. Nobody else seems to have went and actually asked the BoD, but everyone seems happy enough to speculate.

Well, I have contacted SG to try and get some clarification about the budget, if it has been cut and if it has been cut quite a bit or not. SG usually responds with any other questions I've had in the past and so I'm hoping he'll do the same here. Nobody else seems to have went and actually asked the BoD, but everyone seems happy enough to speculate.

Well said. Apart from a howler against ICT, which Grainger caused with a short pass back, I've not found him to be at fault for any of the goals (wasn't there tonight however).

I'm getting sick of the constant berating of a young keeper who seems to be one of several popular scapegoats on here, (probably second to Danny). The man is not getting the protection he deserves from the 10 players in front of him. I'd especially lay that blame on our centre pairing of McAusland and Goodwin who just don't work well together.
Looks at tonight's stats as an example. Queen of the South had 14 attempts at goal, 9 of which were on target. Should a Premier League goalkeeper be exposed to that much pressure from a lower division club? I don't think so.
According to the BBC report, the second goal cam about "when (goalkeeper) Antell's long punt was misjudged by St Mirren skipper Jim Goodwin, opening the space for Paton to steer a clever lob beyond the stranded Cornell."
I think Cornell has a bright future, but he'll be no good to us if the fans put further dents in his confidence, which must already be low when he watches what happens in front of him every week.

I actually feel gutted for Danny.
He's a decent human being, and whether he has run out of ideas/simply isn't up to the job, or hasn't received the backing of the BoD and/or some players, I don't think he deserves our scorn and contempt.
One of the abiding memories I will have of Danny is when he simply turned and looked at the crowd at Hampden when Newton scored the 3rd goal in the final. I genuinely believe that he was at least as happy to have delivered that win for us as for himself. There is a warmth and regard there that few managers we've had in recent memory have felt towards the supporters - probably since Tony Fitz. And all that despite not having a long-term affinity with the club.
I feel utterly deflated tonight, but I'm not blaming Danny Lennon. Of course he has to take his share of responsibility, but so do others, some of whom seem untouchable at times.
Whatever happens, I'll always hold the guy in high regard for delivering the best day of my Saints supporting life. He'll always be a hero for that.
Its a bloody shame.

Good touch for me tonight.
Leicester, Southampton, Norwich, West Ham & Falkirk for £224.85

I had a warm feeling in my heart when Thommo scored.
Now it's cascading down my leg.

Gowser on Newton off. Gowser into defensive mid. Good news is Harkins is still in the attacking mid role, god forbid we move him.

Why? Cos he always delivers??

Would have given you 2 likes but I cannae!

Pity your faither didn't.

go back to your lair

On the plus side ,on paper the midfield looks like it will have extra dig to it .

No he wasn't, Teale was.
Harkins only started playing when they went down to ten men, as he had space to operate. If we were playing a man up every week Harkins would be a fantastic player, sadly we aren't.
The fact Gowswr has been playing out of position to accommodate the haddie is disgrace enough, the fact he's now been dropped for him...
I fully expect a Harkins hat trick and us to win 3 zip now but even still the point stands

Not at all. But fact remains that McGowan is our best player and to win games you play your best players in a system that suits the players at your disposal.

Is there something in Harkins contract that means he cannot be dropped. McGowan is our heartbeat when played in the correct position. I still reckon we will win but very poor decision unless he has a knock. McGowan showed a bit of loyalty to stay with us this season and Danny is letting him down badly.

The reason he got caught out of possession is because he has been playing out of position. There's been no mention of any knock anywhere and be looked fine on Saturday.
How Harkins start and Gowser is on the bench I simply have no idea.
Danny's all in with this call. If we win fair enough, if we lose...

The team are floundering, two 3-0 defeats in our first three games, disjointed and gutless performances, total arse-collapses after losing the first goal in both games, so let's get to the root of the problem. The fans are to blame, the guys who travelled to Inverness and Dingwall to follow St Mirren are responsible.

Like the sound of that team.Unfortunately, not a f**king chance in hell it'll happen.

Cups are great but they don't decide your managerial fate.
Next week (if he gets that far) is arguably DL's biggest test in football management.
If we get beat next week there really is only one outcome. TAXI
I'll be right behind him and the team though. I'd much rather see us pick up 3 points and he turns things round.
Defeat and he has to go though.

Couldn't really see another topic for this, as it's not really a post about today's game, but if there please feel free to merge.
Firstly, I would like to say I think Danny Lennon is a really nice guy and I wish him nothing but the best. Unfortunately, I feel that his time is up. I lost faith in him last season but felt that after the league cup, he deserved another chance. I feel that he hasn’t taken it.

I done a few rough sums tonight and since Lennon was appointed manager in 2010, we have played 139 competitive games (league, league cup and Scottish cup games). We have only won 37 games in this period of time, and 13 of these were in the cups. This means we have only won 24 league games since June 2010, an average of 8 a season. This is clearly not acceptable.

When he first joined, I’m sure you’ll all agree that the football was great to watch compared to the dross we were served under Gus McPherson. However, the inability to turn that good football into points on the board gets boring after a while, not to mention frustrating. The scary thing now is that actually, we are not playing the nice football anymore. It’s a pass, pass, pass around the back then a boot up the park.

I do not expect us to be challenging for the league title or anything like that, but when you look at the progress of Inverness (who rebuild a new team every year), St Johnstone and Ross County, it frustrates me that we cannot achieve anything close to what they have in the league.

Pre-Season he let go of players such as Imrie and Guy. I did not have a problem with this and was not particularly sad to see them go, but as they were contracted, it baffles me as to why they were let go without reinforcements being in place.

There is a bit of talk that the budget has been cut significantly, however if this is the case then I’d hope the board would come out and explain this to us. However, it must cost a few quid to take the whole squad to Spain for a training camp for a week. I understand that this is a great team bonding opportunity, but with Harkins and only two Goalkeepers being signed up at this point (one of the keepers had already been training with us for a while), was there really a need for this with it basically being the same squad as last season minus a few. Surely this money could have been better invested within the squad.

I was also told from someone that spoke to a few players (who are a bit pissed off apparently) that McGowan is on 4K a week! Which would explain that if Danny has spunked this amount of his budget on McGowan why there has been a lack of signings and replacements for those who left. I think Lennon brought in Harkins as a replacement to McGowan as he did not expect him to stay, but when he did, left Lennon a bit snookered.

Danny has never really spent too much cash on the goalkeeping position and does not see it has a key area of the team, and this personally doesn’t bother me as there are plenty of keepers out there. To be fair, I think the new guy has taken a bit of stick, but apart from one howler due to a short pass back from Grainger against ICT, I don’t think he has been at fault for any of the goals in the first two games. (Can’t comment on today’s goals as not seen them and wasn’t at the game)

The defence clearly isn’t good enough as we are leaking goals left right and centre. He brought in Grainger which was a good experienced signing, and I personally don’t mind McAusland and Goodwin at the back, but feel we need a bit of competition in there to keep team on their toes, and as of yet I don’t think it would be fair to rely on McGregor after two years out for that. As much as I love DVZ, I think his time is up at this level and David Barron is forever injured. What really annoys me is that we have an experienced player in Lee Mair (all be it not the best) but we don’t even have him in the squad! He’s sitting in the house watching the scores on fecking Sky Sports! Lee Mair played RB for Aberdeen before, but a midfielder and a central defender gets a look in before he does! The way he is trying to force Mair out the club in my opinion is disgusting.

We have a great few midfielders, but the problem is we have too many of them and too many of them are too similar! Teale is an automatic pick on the right hand side, as is Newton for the holding role (as we don’t really have anyone else for that role). This leaves McLean, McGinn, McGowan, Robbo and Harkins all fighting it out for a central role. One of them usually ends up stuck on the left, where we don’t actually have a natural left winger. As Harkins is now in the team (and looks like Lennon will not drop him), McGowan is being put into central midfield rather than behind the front two and has so far this season not really done anything. McGinn is our best option on the left, but McLean comes back after missing part of pre-season and jumps straight into the team leaving McGinn to warm the bench!

Up front we have Thompson on his own. It has been clear from day 1 in pre-season that he cannot play up front by himself! The only other striker we have is Thomas Reilly, who missed most of last season with an injury. We should have another experience striker to partner Thompson, and allow Reilly to break into the first team coming off the bench and making an impact during games. I would have been happy to have kept Sam Parkin as a cheap back up for Thompson to provide us with a bit of height in the team should Thompson get injured.

The above is a pretty grim reading of how our team looks at the moment, and the fault of this has to lie on Lennon’s shoulders. He’s f’ked up spectacularly this summer.

The fans have lost confidence, the players appear to be getting pissed off, the likes of Thompson was having a go at a supporter today as well apparently. We’ve been down this road before with Hendrie, Coughlin and McPherson. Let’s not prolong the agony, let’s not lose supporters that end up finding something else more enjoyable to do on a Saturday, let’s make the change before it’s too late.

It’s too late for a new manager to be able to build a new team. If I was the board, I would say to Thompson and Teale, we’ll give you a chance as Caretaker bosses until the January transfer window. Get on the phone to your old pals down South, get a few of them up here to do you a favour, and if we’re doing well the jobs yours. If not, we get a replacement ready to jump in before the January transfer window and get a bit of wheeling and dealing done and hopefully keep us up.

Like I said, Danny gave me the greatest day of my life as a St Mirren supporter and for that I will be forever grateful and will always list him as a hero. For whatever reason, it’s just not working out.

Couldn't really see another topic for this, as it's not really a post about today's game, but if there please feel free to merge.
Firstly, I would like to say I think Danny Lennon is a really nice guy and I wish him nothing but the best. Unfortunately, I feel that his time is up. I lost faith in him last season but felt that after the league cup, he deserved another chance. I feel that he hasn’t taken it.

I done a few rough sums tonight and since Lennon was appointed manager in 2010, we have played 139 competitive games (league, league cup and Scottish cup games). We have only won 37 games in this period of time, and 13 of these were in the cups. This means we have only won 24 league games since June 2010, an average of 8 a season. This is clearly not acceptable.

When he first joined, I’m sure you’ll all agree that the football was great to watch compared to the dross we were served under Gus McPherson. However, the inability to turn that good football into points on the board gets boring after a while, not to mention frustrating. The scary thing now is that actually, we are not playing the nice football anymore. It’s a pass, pass, pass around the back then a boot up the park.

I do not expect us to be challenging for the league title or anything like that, but when you look at the progress of Inverness (who rebuild a new team every year), St Johnstone and Ross County, it frustrates me that we cannot achieve anything close to what they have in the league.

Pre-Season he let go of players such as Imrie and Guy. I did not have a problem with this and was not particularly sad to see them go, but as they were contracted, it baffles me as to why they were let go without reinforcements being in place.

There is a bit of talk that the budget has been cut significantly, however if this is the case then I’d hope the board would come out and explain this to us. However, it must cost a few quid to take the whole squad to Spain for a training camp for a week. I understand that this is a great team bonding opportunity, but with Harkins and only two Goalkeepers being signed up at this point (one of the keepers had already been training with us for a while), was there really a need for this with it basically being the same squad as last season minus a few. Surely this money could have been better invested within the squad.

I was also told from someone that spoke to a few players (who are a bit pissed off apparently) that McGowan is on 4K a week! Which would explain that if Danny has spunked this amount of his budget on McGowan why there has been a lack of signings and replacements for those who left. I think Lennon brought in Harkins as a replacement to McGowan as he did not expect him to stay, but when he did, left Lennon a bit snookered.

Danny has never really spent too much cash on the goalkeeping position and does not see it has a key area of the team, and this personally doesn’t bother me as there are plenty of keepers out there. To be fair, I think the new guy has taken a bit of stick, but apart from one howler due to a short pass back from Grainger against ICT, I don’t think he has been at fault for any of the goals in the first two games. (Can’t comment on today’s goals as not seen them and wasn’t at the game)

The defence clearly isn’t good enough as we are leaking goals left right and centre. He brought in Grainger which was a good experienced signing, and I personally don’t mind McAusland and Goodwin at the back, but feel we need a bit of competition in there to keep team on their toes, and as of yet I don’t think it would be fair to rely on McGregor after two years out for that. As much as I love DVZ, I think his time is up at this level and David Barron is forever injured. What really annoys me is that we have an experienced player in Lee Mair (all be it not the best) but we don’t even have him in the squad! He’s sitting in the house watching the scores on fecking Sky Sports! Lee Mair played RB for Aberdeen before, but a midfielder and a central defender gets a look in before he does! The way he is trying to force Mair out the club in my opinion is disgusting.

We have a great few midfielders, but the problem is we have too many of them and too many of them are too similar! Teale is an automatic pick on the right hand side, as is Newton for the holding role (as we don’t really have anyone else for that role). This leaves McLean, McGinn, McGowan, Robbo and Harkins all fighting it out for a central role. One of them usually ends up stuck on the left, where we don’t actually have a natural left winger. As Harkins is now in the team (and looks like Lennon will not drop him), McGowan is being put into central midfield rather than behind the front two and has so far this season not really done anything. McGinn is our best option on the left, but McLean comes back after missing part of pre-season and jumps straight into the team leaving McGinn to warm the bench!

Up front we have Thompson on his own. It has been clear from day 1 in pre-season that he cannot play up front by himself! The only other striker we have is Thomas Reilly, who missed most of last season with an injury. We should have another experience striker to partner Thompson, and allow Reilly to break into the first team coming off the bench and making an impact during games. I would have been happy to have kept Sam Parkin as a cheap back up for Thompson to provide us with a bit of height in the team should Thompson get injured.

The above is a pretty grim reading of how our team looks at the moment, and the fault of this has to lie on Lennon’s shoulders. He’s f’ked up spectacularly this summer.

The fans have lost confidence, the players appear to be getting pissed off, the likes of Thompson was having a go at a supporter today as well apparently. We’ve been down this road before with Hendrie, Coughlin and McPherson. Let’s not prolong the agony, let’s not lose supporters that end up finding something else more enjoyable to do on a Saturday, let’s make the change before it’s too late.

It’s too late for a new manager to be able to build a new team. If I was the board, I would say to Thompson and Teale, we’ll give you a chance as Caretaker bosses until the January transfer window. Get on the phone to your old pals down South, get a few of them up here to do you a favour, and if we’re doing well the jobs yours. If not, we get a replacement ready to jump in before the January transfer window and get a bit of wheeling and dealing done and hopefully keep us up.

Like I said, Danny gave me the greatest day of my life as a St Mirren supporter and for that I will be forever grateful and will always list him as a hero. For whatever reason, it’s just not working out.

It's not about the first three games. It's about the last three full seasons Danny has had to progress our club. The reason McPherson was sacked was because of lack of progression.
I am not getting on any of the players back. The problem is with DL. I doubt the board will take the necessary action, and I really do hope Lennon can turn it around because of that. But I have lost faith and I am more than entitled to voice this opinion on a St Mirren football forum!

Couldn't really see another topic for this, as it's not really a post about today's game, but if there please feel free to merge.
Firstly, I would like to say I think Danny Lennon is a really nice guy and I wish him nothing but the best. Unfortunately, I feel that his time is up. I lost faith in him last season but felt that after the league cup, he deserved another chance. I feel that he hasn’t taken it.

I done a few rough sums tonight and since Lennon was appointed manager in 2010, we have played 139 competitive games (league, league cup and Scottish cup games). We have only won 37 games in this period of time, and 13 of these were in the cups. This means we have only won 24 league games since June 2010, an average of 8 a season. This is clearly not acceptable.

When he first joined, I’m sure you’ll all agree that the football was great to watch compared to the dross we were served under Gus McPherson. However, the inability to turn that good football into points on the board gets boring after a while, not to mention frustrating. The scary thing now is that actually, we are not playing the nice football anymore. It’s a pass, pass, pass around the back then a boot up the park.

I do not expect us to be challenging for the league title or anything like that, but when you look at the progress of Inverness (who rebuild a new team every year), St Johnstone and Ross County, it frustrates me that we cannot achieve anything close to what they have in the league.

Pre-Season he let go of players such as Imrie and Guy. I did not have a problem with this and was not particularly sad to see them go, but as they were contracted, it baffles me as to why they were let go without reinforcements being in place.

There is a bit of talk that the budget has been cut significantly, however if this is the case then I’d hope the board would come out and explain this to us. However, it must cost a few quid to take the whole squad to Spain for a training camp for a week. I understand that this is a great team bonding opportunity, but with Harkins and only two Goalkeepers being signed up at this point (one of the keepers had already been training with us for a while), was there really a need for this with it basically being the same squad as last season minus a few. Surely this money could have been better invested within the squad.

I was also told from someone that spoke to a few players (who are a bit pissed off apparently) that McGowan is on 4K a week! Which would explain that if Danny has spunked this amount of his budget on McGowan why there has been a lack of signings and replacements for those who left. I think Lennon brought in Harkins as a replacement to McGowan as he did not expect him to stay, but when he did, left Lennon a bit snookered.

Danny has never really spent too much cash on the goalkeeping position and does not see it has a key area of the team, and this personally doesn’t bother me as there are plenty of keepers out there. To be fair, I think the new guy has taken a bit of stick, but apart from one howler due to a short pass back from Grainger against ICT, I don’t think he has been at fault for any of the goals in the first two games. (Can’t comment on today’s goals as not seen them and wasn’t at the game)

The defence clearly isn’t good enough as we are leaking goals left right and centre. He brought in Grainger which was a good experienced signing, and I personally don’t mind McAusland and Goodwin at the back, but feel we need a bit of competition in there to keep team on their toes, and as of yet I don’t think it would be fair to rely on McGregor after two years out for that. As much as I love DVZ, I think his time is up at this level and David Barron is forever injured. What really annoys me is that we have an experienced player in Lee Mair (all be it not the best) but we don’t even have him in the squad! He’s sitting in the house watching the scores on fecking Sky Sports! Lee Mair played RB for Aberdeen before, but a midfielder and a central defender gets a look in before he does! The way he is trying to force Mair out the club in my opinion is disgusting.

We have a great few midfielders, but the problem is we have too many of them and too many of them are too similar! Teale is an automatic pick on the right hand side, as is Newton for the holding role (as we don’t really have anyone else for that role). This leaves McLean, McGinn, McGowan, Robbo and Harkins all fighting it out for a central role. One of them usually ends up stuck on the left, where we don’t actually have a natural left winger. As Harkins is now in the team (and looks like Lennon will not drop him), McGowan is being put into central midfield rather than behind the front two and has so far this season not really done anything. McGinn is our best option on the left, but McLean comes back after missing part of pre-season and jumps straight into the team leaving McGinn to warm the bench!

Up front we have Thompson on his own. It has been clear from day 1 in pre-season that he cannot play up front by himself! The only other striker we have is Thomas Reilly, who missed most of last season with an injury. We should have another experience striker to partner Thompson, and allow Reilly to break into the first team coming off the bench and making an impact during games. I would have been happy to have kept Sam Parkin as a cheap back up for Thompson to provide us with a bit of height in the team should Thompson get injured.

The above is a pretty grim reading of how our team looks at the moment, and the fault of this has to lie on Lennon’s shoulders. He’s f’ked up spectacularly this summer.

The fans have lost confidence, the players appear to be getting pissed off, the likes of Thompson was having a go at a supporter today as well apparently. We’ve been down this road before with Hendrie, Coughlin and McPherson. Let’s not prolong the agony, let’s not lose supporters that end up finding something else more enjoyable to do on a Saturday, let’s make the change before it’s too late.

It’s too late for a new manager to be able to build a new team. If I was the board, I would say to Thompson and Teale, we’ll give you a chance as Caretaker bosses until the January transfer window. Get on the phone to your old pals down South, get a few of them up here to do you a favour, and if we’re doing well the jobs yours. If not, we get a replacement ready to jump in before the January transfer window and get a bit of wheeling and dealing done and hopefully keep us up.

Like I said, Danny gave me the greatest day of my life as a St Mirren supporter and for that I will be forever grateful and will always list him as a hero. For whatever reason, it’s just not working out.