St. Sid Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Money being paid out would have to go through a committee and you would think at least three signatures. I'm guessing here but I don't think I am far wrong It would be directors voting to pay themselves money. They can also tear the arse right of their expenses. Its been a while since I looked, but I think they can also devolve those powers to any subsequent sub-Boards of directors such as SMFC. I'm not saying it will happen - just that they can do it if they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo57 Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Well the members will just have to amend the draft Constitution to ensure that does not happen the Sid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenburn ed Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 How so? You have stated that you differentiate between St Mirren supporters on the basis of how long they have supported the club. Seems an odd concept to me. On that basis, I was wondering if your question as to when Richard Atkinson became a St Mirren supporter had a sub-text. No straw clutching there, I wouldn't have thought. No but is just another hamfisted attempt to smear a non-believer, carry on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 No but is just another hamfisted attempt to smear a non-believer, carry on So you think owners from abroad is the best way forward and the debt the club will take on ? Make no mistake that's what will happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Sid Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 So you think owners from abroad is the best way forward and the debt the club will take on ? Make no mistake that's what will happen I don't think you can just attach claims like that to bids that we have no detail of. It would be good if we could take some care on how we communicate about what we don't know for sure. I'm sure there will be some unintentional slip ups, but if could change things like "will take on" to "may take on" it would help with assist the gravitas of the poster. REA at every meeting has highlight some possible models for takeovers; however there are other ways to take over a club. Let's not forget the GLS made a couple of bids - were they based on the club taking on debt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaponsasaint Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) Unfortunately it is impossible to make the blind see the light of day. I just hope there is enough of us take up the CIC because the other option is not what anyone of you want unless of course you don't mind loans being paid directly by the club money that would otherwise be spent on the team The people Ian, who don't join the CIC and it goes through will be blowing hot air, cos they will have no voice in how the club is run, i still think us running our own club is the way ahead than some dodgy businessman paying himself a vast amount of money which will come out of the playing budget, let the doom merchants have there say, at moment the they are entitled to it, Edited June 8, 2012 by santaponsasaint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 REA at every meeting has highlight some possible models for takeovers; however there are other ways to take over a club. Let's not forget the GLS made a couple of bids - were they based on the club taking on debt? No but Gordon is a St.Mirren fan who lives locally and who already has £200k invested in the club. Why would a non St.Mirren supporter, based thousands of miles away, invest £1.5m of capital into St.Mirren Football Club ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10000hours Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 I don't think you can just attach claims like that to bids that we have no detail of. It would be good if we could take some care on how we communicate about what we don't know for sure. I'm sure there will be some unintentional slip ups, but if could change things like "will take on" to "may take on" it would help with assist the gravitas of the poster. REA at every meeting has highlight some possible models for takeovers; however there are other ways to take over a club. Let's not forget the GLS made a couple of bids - were they based on the club taking on debt? no Gordon made his bid on the basis of the Option 1 senario that I gave. e.g man just have money to spend and never expects to see it again e.g not using the phrase "invest in Football Club" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Sid Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 The people Ian, who don't join the CIC and it goes through will be blowing hot air, cos they will have no voice in how the club is run, i still think us running our own club is the way ahead than some dodgy businessman paying himself a vast amount of money which will come out of the playing budget, let the doom merchants have there say, at moment the they are entitled to it, Whatever happens the CIC should continue to encourage as many people as possible to join. That shouldn't be down to a deadline. The more subs it can generate, the quicker the debt is paid off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Sid Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 No but Gordon is a St.Mirren fan who lives locally and who already has £200k invested in the club. Why would a non St.Mirren supporter, based thousands of miles away, invest £1.5m of capital into St.Mirren Football Club ? It doesn't matter what GLS did. You cannot make statements about bids that you know nothing about as being fact. All I am saying is that we should take care. REA gave some examples; however that does not equate to the bids we nothing about being those types of bids. You might be able to debate about what they are likely to be, but you cannot say what they will be - commercially confidentiality doesn't just work one way. You either tell us who the bidders are and what their bids involve or you talk about what the bids may be. You can't assign properties to their bids just because generating fear might scare some fans into signing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ged62 Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Quote: "ya nob" this coming from Sir Nobjockey of Nobjockeyshire! That aside, it kills debate, I can't be bothered posting if someone is adamant I don't have a point they agree with and follows me round to continue to launch attacks. So whats your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Sid at 15:56 today......... Let's not forget the GLS made a couple of bids - were they based on the club taking on debt? Sid, same topic, 2 hours later. It doesn't matter what GLS did. You cannot make statements about bids that you know nothing about as being fact. I think this pretty much sums up your recent arguments John. Confused, rambling and without any purpose or substance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenburn ed Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 So you think owners from abroad is the best way forward and the debt the club will take on ? Make no mistake that's what will happen You must be a director then because Stewart Gilmour said he can't comment because of a confidentiality clause Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 When did mr Atkinson become a saints supporter????? When did he get into football. . When did he take an interest in the Paisley area. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Ok, so Richard isn't from Paisley and was not a born and bred St.Mirren fan. Thankfully in the 10000Hours bid Richard is only one person, with one vote, so the 749 or so other Paisley born and bred died in the wool St.Mirren fans will hold sway. ps; If the leader of a bid being from Paisley and being a St.Mirren fan is a caveat on supporting it then you are going to be disappointed whatever happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney63 Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) On this forum I tend to express my opinion, or agree with others. If their is a saints fan opinion I disagree with I may well offer my counter view, but I don't attack them (perhaps unless they are hell bent on making it personal), when it's happened to me I usually choose to ignore them if it persists. Today and with the reviews of last night there is a real wave of personal attacks taking place that are putting saints fan against saints fan. Evidence what was said about Smisa last night, a group set up to protect our club, get involeved with youth developmnet and the community. I challenge many points/proposals put forward by 10000 hours, but I don't result to personal attacks against fellow saints fans. So why is it so nasty in here now? Because there are people people who post regularly on forums who are immature /opinionated /ego-driven losers who would be living a real life if they weren't posting on online forums (like me) Edited June 8, 2012 by Barney63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Sid Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Sid at 15:56 today......... Sid, same topic, 2 hours later. I think this pretty much sums up your recent arguments John. Confused, rambling and without any purpose or substance. Dunno why you do posts like that Div. It really does nothing for you or the argument for 10000 Hours. I didn't question GLS's bids....I didn't argue that there was anything wrong with the CIC....there was no argument. All I was pointing out was that you cannot assign properties such as debt to bids that we know nothing about. You cannot hide behind a confidentiality agreement to avoid providing details on the bidders and then start presenting speculation on the bids as fact. This is not a big issue; just a wee point of order to help maintain the integrity of 10000 Hours argument. That's the point being made, hence your blah, blah about GLS being irrelevant. REA's response was better than yours - hence him getting a like and you not. Nothing personal - just a case of good response / shite response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Ok, so Richard isn't from Paisley and was not a born and bred St.Mirren fan. Thankfully in the 10000Hours bid Richard is only one person, with one vote, so the 749 or so other Paisley born and bred died in the wool St.Mirren fans will hold sway. ps; If the leader of a bid being from Paisley and being a St.Mirren fan is a caveat on supporting it then you are going to be disappointed whatever happens. TBH it isn't a caveat or a condition but I do wonder why someone like Rowan wants to be involved with football and Paisley Saint Mirren . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Sid Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Ok, so Richard isn't from Paisley and was not a born and bred St.Mirren fan. Thankfully in the 10000Hours bid Richard is only one person, with one vote, so the 749 or so other Paisley born and bred died in the wool St.Mirren fans will hold sway. ps; If the leader of a bid being from Paisley and being a St.Mirren fan is a caveat on supporting it then you are going to be disappointed whatever happens. Not on the interim St Mirren BoD.....none of the 749 or so fans are on that BoD unless you count Tony and GLS. The Ayrshire chaps will be in the majority. I do undertand your key point about REA, just picking you up on the nonsense part of your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud77 Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 I find it deeply sad that 10000 hours found it necessary to "Come Armed" to deal with Smisa last night. Do they not appreciate that Smisa are a group of saints fans? Why weren't 10000 hours "Armed" to engage and get smisa and saints fans onside rather than pitting them against each other? I didn't think RA attacked or humiliated Smisa, he pointed out flaws in their reason to withdraw in principle agreement. Smisa had made their points well known, it may have been better if Smisa had checked their own constitution before commenting on the draft constitution for 10000hours though. It was pointed out that most of the parts of the draft constiution that Smisa were complaining about were very similar to parts of Smisa's own constitution. It was also said that the financial details have commercial confidentiality at the moment and the Smisa members who saw them were not allowed to put those points to their members because that would put them in the public domain, rightly or wrongly. For me, that's fine I don't want to know the exact financial details, we've had a broad overview but the most important thing for me is that I don't think any investment company, in the current financial circumstances, would lend unsecured money without thoroughly checking the numbers add up, in fact I think they would go into much more detail about the numbers than any prospective member of 10000hours would. If the lenders are happy the numbers add up that's fine by me. Personally I would prefer to see Smisa involved in this as the required outcome for 10000hours and Smisa is essentially the same thing - fan governance of SMFC and the experiences of the Smisa members would be invaluable in helping to form the CiC that we, the fans, want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaponsasaint Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Whatever happens the CIC should continue to encourage as many people as possible to join. That shouldn't be down to a deadline. The more subs it can generate, the quicker the debt is paid off. well shut up then and giz peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaponsasaint Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Ok, so Richard isn't from Paisley and was not a born and bred St.Mirren fan. Thankfully in the 10000Hours bid Richard is only one person, with one vote, so the 749 or so other Paisley born and bred died in the wool St.Mirren fans will hold sway. ps; If the leader of a bid being from Paisley and being a St.Mirren fan is a caveat on supporting it then you are going to be disappointed whatever happens. thats me out i was born in Johnstone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidg Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 thats me out Thank f**k for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaponsasaint Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 Thank f**k for that Mon the Burgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Sid Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 Mon the Burgh I reckon we could take ownership of the Burgh if we can get 10 fans to commit 2 ginger bottles a month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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