oaksoft Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 The article I linked to was about corporation tax ya fanny. If you'd bothered to read it you might have noticed that. So why are you talking about warehouse staff wages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 If Alex Salmond is wrong and you don't get Currency Union, Oaksoft, how do you suggest Scotland will be able to set it's own interest rates? The people of Panama are waiting.... There will be a currency union. Full stop. End of. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Most voters believe it should, must and will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Seemingly Alex was in Arbroath today, I missed him, pity, he could have swayed me.................... You are either gay or you are not. Make your own mind up. We will love you just the same whatever way you choose to sway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 You are either gay or you are not. Make your own mind up. We will love you just the same whatever way you choose to sway. Weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 (edited) There will be a currency union. Full stop. End of. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Most voters believe it should, must and will happen. British voters don't.Not if Scotland walks out. Why should they? Eta Anyway.... You said the vote wasn't about logic, economics or facts for you. "It was a gut feeling." Go with it... but having brains for guts certainly discounts your credibility, which is why I usually don't bother responding. Edited August 18, 2014 by bluto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 You obviously have your reasons for wanting to stay in a political union with England but trying to frighten others into to sympathising with you is unproductive. Perhaps if you read these letter from today's Herald as it might give you pause for thought. "Raising my eyes for a moment above the constant scaremongering and nit-picking of the campaign, here is my personal vision of the kind of country an independent Scotland could be in 10 or 15 years. A socially-just country, where there is no longer a widening gap between different levels of society, and where the elderly, the disabled and the disadvantaged are fully provided for by a caring and efficient welfare state, instead of being regarded as a burden by many UK politicians. A politically mature country, where the various parties and their leaders seek to work together for the common good whenever possible, and where the driving force is no longer the greed and complacency of one side and the envy and resentment of the other. A prosperous and economically successful country, enjoying all the benefits of our good fortune in having a plethora of natural resources and many already-established industries capable of greater success if given the proper support and economic conditions. A country which retains all the taxation revenue and economic benefits from its own businesses and economic activities, instead of handing these over to another administration in exchange for a smaller calculated amount being returned. A country which takes all its own decisions on the economy, finance and taxation, defence and foreign affairs, instead of leaving those to another administration which has little interest in Scotland and in which we have only a small minority voice. A country no longer providing a base for Trident nuclear submarines and warheads within its own shores, but instead actively supports the campaign for world-wide nuclear disarmament. A country which has both the right and the confidence to play a full part in international affairs, seeking to maintain peaceful relations with other independent nations while not interfering in their internal affairs and conflicts. Is all this an impossible dream? On the contrary, I believe it is all attainable, but can be realised only if there is a majority Yes vote in next month's referendum. Have we the confidence and courage to finally take charge of our own destiny? I fervently hope so." "We are in danger of reducing our nation to the size of a bank note. It seems that the only thing that matters is our currency. Understanding the complexities of this undoubtedly important subject is something for those advanced and experienced in its study. Most of us are not in this group. We may be ignorant, but we are not stupid. After independence we know the way ahead will be full of difficulties, but if we really do have pride in our nationhood and positively want to deal with the challenges and difficulties that lie ahead, then please let us be clear-headed about what has brought us to this significant time in our history and clear about our objectives. As individuals, many of us will have visited a rich auntie who gave us tea and home baking and treats, and it was lovely, but we were glad to go home to where we really belonged. England is a lovely auntie but let's go home and get on with making it the best it can be." Not all of us think life after independence will be all milk and honey! I'm a yes voter and want Faslane to go but there is a bit of misconception regarding that base. We have three subs in rotation. One sub will be in Faslane base. Another sub is hidden somewhere in the deep oceans with missile. Another sub will take over from the hidden sub again with missiles. The Sub hidden in the sea will then return to America to off load the nuke missiles before going back to Faslane At no time are there nuclear weapons on the subs when they return to Faslane. The missiles are stored in America on a - On Off bases rotation with the three subs we rent the missiles we don't own them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 So what your actually saying Stuart that you have read white papers from other political Union parties in the past and all are full of bullshit ? So this makes you think SNP's white paper is no different.Yet Well we will keep the pound if not the UK's GD will jump up to the point Westminster will be begging is to keep the pound. EC have already said we are already an internal part of the EU and surpass membership to re-join Don't be scared of Independence embrace it. I'm not scared of Independence IBOS, I have embraced it and we've all lived it. The UK is already independent. We control our own currency, set our own interest rates, we can defend ourselves, and we have vetoes which mean we can tell the EU to get to f**k when they try to get us to do something we don't like. The net result is the UK is one of the richest, most powerful countries in the world, and our population enjoy the benefits of having one of the highest average earnings in the world. What I don't get is why people would want to give up this independence to become utterly dependent under the SNP model. We'll be dependent on the Bank of England for our currency and setting the interest rates we'll need to repay our borrowings from them at. We'll be dependent on the UK Treasury for our economic policy, We'll surrender our veto meaning that Europe will dictate to us on matters of law and military policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 This is really very simple. Are you saying Scotland pensions are currently being subsidised or not? I've answered you - It's not me saying it, it's economists. Well respected ones too. Read the document Oaksoft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 So why are you talking about warehouse staff wages? Are you really that thick? The article was a report on how these low corporation tax deals that Alex Salmond was prepared to offer the likes of Amazon was selling our public services short. Then I published the average wage of a warehouse operative at Amazon to highlight the level of earnings Alex Salmond was prepared to sacrifice our healthcare, education etc for - £7.45 per hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 There will be a currency union. Full stop. End of. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Most voters believe it should, must and will happen. There won't be. Ed Milliband has put it in the Labour Party's manifesto. David Cameron and Nick Clegg couldn't be any clearer. Even the Governor of the Bank Of England stated that there could be no currency union without surrendering sovereignty. The UK has refused to become embroiled in the Euro there is no way whatsoever that our politicians would overlook the problems of the Euro to help Scotland out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 You are either gay or you are not. Make your own mind up. We will love you just the same whatever way you choose to sway. Hardly surprising to see the Nationalist obsession with people's sexuality rearing it's ugly head yet again. Brian Soutar, Gordon Wilson and now Oaksoft. Dear oh dear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Just using my new tablet, did I miss someone's apology for accusing them of wanting to revolt? Ok, ok. I apologise for suggesting he was revolting. He's just f**king ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northendsaint Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Ok, ok. I apologise for suggesting he was revolting. He's just f**king ugly. I love big mouths.They are easier to hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 (edited) I love big mouths.They are easier to hit. Bad northendsaint...nasty cybernat...etc Meanwhile the real nasties, like Yvonne Hama, Lanarkshire's finest, has been pulled from the better together website due to her sectarian and racist tweets. Unfortunately too late to stop her being on a platform with her local Labour MP and darling. Oh and also too late to stop her appearing on national tv in a BT propaganda film earlier. Edit to add cllip Edited August 18, 2014 by TPAFKATS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Bad northendsaint...nasty cybernat...etc Meanwhile the real nasties, like Yvonne Hama, Lanarkshire's finest, has been pulled from the better together website due to her sectarian and racist tweets. Unfortunately too late to stop her being on a platform with her local Labour MP and darling. Oh and also too late to stop her appearing on national tv in a BT propaganda film earlier. It's not a good feeling at all, is it? Now I know what it must feel like to be a Natsi reading though Stewart Campbell, Brian Soutar and Gordon Wilsons past histories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 I love big mouths.They are easier to hit. The black shirts used to try to use violence to silence the opposition too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Did you know that in England the Health and Social Care Act of 2012 made the most fundamental change to the English NHS in since its inception by removing the UK government’s obligation to provide universal healthcare? Did you know that in England the biggest contract ever tendered in the history of the NHS in England is a £1.2 billion pound deal to sell off cancer services and care for the dying? And did you know that over 200 Westminster MPs and members of the House of Lords have financial interests in health care companies in England? The privatisation of the NHS in England is now rapidly increasing. With the Health and Social Care Act of 2012, for the first time since 1947 the Secretary of State not only abdicated his responsibility to provide healthcare for all in England but has got the legal powers to introduce a market, allowing providers to pick and choose which patients will get care and what will be charged for and also to introduce insurance structures similar to those in the USA. Michael Portillo confirmed in a TV interview that these plans were deliberately kept out of the Conservative manifesto because of the risk of losing votes. And it’s not just the Conservatives who are in on this plan. Andy Burnham, Labour’s Shadow Health Secretary, signed off the privatisation of Hinchingbrooke Hospital during Labour’s final year in power and told Holyrood magazine, “Let’s get health policies that can be consistent across England, Scotland and Wales”. But with an impending election he has changed his mind and calls for a pause in privatisation. In his latest speech Andy Burnham now says “If things stay as they are, the competition framework foisted on the NHS will in the end break it up. It won’t survive five more years of this.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 (edited) Did you know that in England the Health and Social Care Act of 2012 made the most fundamental change to the English NHS in since its inception by removing the UK government’s obligation to provide universal healthcare? Did you know that in England the biggest contract ever tendered in the history of the NHS in England is a £1.2 billion pound deal to sell off cancer services and care for the dying? And did you know that over 200 Westminster MPs and members of the House of Lords have financial interests in health care companies in England? The privatisation of the NHS in England is now rapidly increasing. With the Health and Social Care Act of 2012, for the first time since 1947 the Secretary of State not only abdicated his responsibility to provide healthcare for all in England but has got the legal powers to introduce a market, allowing providers to pick and choose which patients will get care and what will be charged for and also to introduce insurance structures similar to those in the USA. Michael Portillo confirmed in a TV interview that these plans were deliberately kept out of the Conservative manifesto because of the risk of losing votes. And it’s not just the Conservatives who are in on this plan. Andy Burnham, Labour’s Shadow Health Secretary, signed off the privatisation of Hinchingbrooke Hospital during Labour’s final year in power and told Holyrood magazine, “Let’s get health policies that can be consistent across England, Scotland and Wales”. But with an impending election he has changed his mind and calls for a pause in privatisation. In his latest speech Andy Burnham now says “If things stay as they are, the competition framework foisted on the NHS will in the end break it up. It won’t survive five more years of this.” Whether this is true or not none of this has any relevance in Scotland of course because the NHS here is completely and absolutely devolved. So unless Alex Salmond is threatening to "punish" the electorate by using his last year as First Minister to force through even more privatisation in the NHS than his government has done over the last seven years I can't see why the Natsi's keep banging on about this. Edited August 18, 2014 by Stuart Dickson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 The black shirts used to try to use violence to silence the opposition too. You really love this I am always amused by people who constantly provoke others and somehow convince themselves that they are using their intellect when they are really just being persistently nasty Why do people who think they have the power of words think that goading people into a gut reaction is clever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 The privatisation of the NHS in England threatens NHS Scotland not only because of its knock-on effect on our funding but also because it exposes us to the proposed Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership agreement. As private sources begin to replace public expenditure on the NHS in England, we can see that the amount of public money being spent on health will decrease. And so, as the total UK public expenditure goes down, the consequence to Scotland will inevitably be a decrease in our funding. There will be an even smaller funding cake for the four nations to share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 You really love this I am always amused by people who constantly provoke others and somehow convince themselves that they are using their intellect when they are really just being persistently nasty Why do people who think they have the power of words think that goading people into a gut reaction is clever? What the f**k are you talking about? Power of words? Bluto, amongst many others, will point out that as a victim of Scotland's shite state funded education system I can't even spell properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 (edited) The privatisation of the NHS in England threatens NHS Scotland not only because of its knock-on effect on our funding but also because it exposes us to the proposed Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership agreement. As private sources begin to replace public expenditure on the NHS in England, we can see that the amount of public money being spent on health will decrease. And so, as the total UK public expenditure goes down, the consequence to Scotland will inevitably be a decrease in our funding. There will be an even smaller funding cake for the four nations to share. Rubbish. As has been pointed out many, many times these private contractors in England will still have to be paid. Indeed just yesterday I posted a link to an excellent article that debunked all this pish and showed that the money the UK Government is saving within the NHS is being re-invested within the NHS as all funds in there are ring fenced. It will therefore have absolutely no effect what so ever on funding in Scotland, indeed even the Scottish Government admits that consequential funding has INCREASED well above inflation since the coalition government extended it's programme of working with private contractors in the NHS in 2010. However lets for one moment consider this argument as though what the SNP was saying is indeed correct. What are we talking about here? The Westminster Government would be introducing efficiencies and savings into their healthcare system cutting the cost of the service and offering the taxpayer greater value for money. Are the Yes Campaign really saying that if it was shown that private providers could indeed offer far greater value for money for the taxpayer in Scotland, that Scottish Governments would ignore this and continue signing blank cheques? This argument smacks of utter desperation, complete scaremongering and it's an argument so easily picked apart that if Salmond plans to use this in the next TV debate to try to score points against Darling, he's going to land up looking even more silly than he did when he talked about aliens invading Scotland. Edited August 18, 2014 by Stuart Dickson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 My postal voting card arrived today. f**king Royal Mail, its taken them 307 years to deliver it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Plans are being drawn up by major US banks to move their operations to Ireland over fears that the UK may leave the European Union, according to the Financial Times. According to the newspaper, sources have told it that the Bank of America, Citigroup and Morgan Stanley are drawing up preliminary plans to move some of their London based services to Dublin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 What taxpayer, as was pointed out previously, if the Westminster Government doesn't spend the money on the NHS then they don't send the money to Scotland. Scotland wouldn't get the money to spend on the private heath care. How many private contractors do you know work for free? If you've got names of companies can you forward them on. I might have some work for them. Cockles this is a shit topic to pick a fight on. The Yes Campaign is only going to look even more silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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