oaksoft Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 I take it you're not including Derry City among the rich employers Gus could take on? Compared to Derry City, Rangers were parsimonious, albeit in a larger arena. I'm making a general comment. The common worker has traditionally been trodden on by rich employers. Culturally we have a problem with this and by and large we are a socialist country. It therefore seems strange that we have people bleating about trodden on workers but then when one of those workers decides to set his own terms he gets slaughtered for it for having "ideas above his station". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyg Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 I'm making a general comment. The common worker has traditionally been trodden on by rich employers. Culturally we have a problem with this and by and large we are a socialist country. It therefore seems strange that we have people bleating about trodden on workers but then when one of those workers decides to set his own terms he gets slaughtered for it for having "ideas above his station". I'm glad he set his own terms , and ruled himself out of getting the job. I hope he never, ever gets another job in football ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabella Duke Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) Like the comment about Dargo up front on his own against monster centre backs! I could have sworn he played alongside Higdon or Mehmet! Edited November 22, 2013 by Isabella Duke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 I'm making a general comment. The common worker has traditionally been trodden on by rich employers. Culturally we have a problem with this and by and large we are a socialist country. It therefore seems strange that we have people bleating about trodden on workers but then when one of those workers decides to set his own terms he gets slaughtered for it for having "ideas above his station". Jeezuz. Must you infect every thread with your communist mumbo jumbo? Gus was a fantastic manager for us. You could certainly make a decent case for him being our best manager ever. As has being said he took us from the bottom half of the second tier to an established SPL side, winning the SFL double in the process. He was and will remain the only manager in Scottish Football History to win the SFL title and the Challenge Cup in the same season. He also took us to our first cup final for over 20 years and what remains as our only Scottish Cup Semi Final since 1987. The man was nothing short of a miracle worker. Some people on here seem to judge a manager on their personality. I don't, I couldn't care less if our manager is a nice guy or a nasty guy to be honest. I judge him solely on the teams performance on the pitch, and Gus's record speaks for itself in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Some people on here seem to judge a manager on their personality. I don't, I couldn't care less if our manager is a nice guy or a nasty guy to be honest. I judge him solely on the teams performance on the pitch, and Gus's record speaks for itself in that regard. Yet you would have binned Lennon umpteen times who is the manager who has WON a national trophy and taken us to our HIGHEST finish in the SPL? Aye, you're right enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Jeezuz. Must you infect every thread with your communist mumbo jumbo? Gus was a fantastic manager for us. You could certainly make a decent case for him being our best manager ever. As has being said he took us from the bottom half of the second tier to an established SPL side, winning the SFL double in the process. He was and will remain the only manager in Scottish Football History to win the SFL title and the Challenge Cup in the same season. He also took us to our first cup final for over 20 years and what remains as our only Scottish Cup Semi Final since 1987. The man was nothing short of a miracle worker. Some people on here seem to judge a manager on their personality. I don't, I couldn't care less if our manager is a nice guy or a nasty guy to be honest. I judge him solely on the teams performance on the pitch, and Gus's record speaks for itself in that regard. You need to get over your Gus fetish. Gus did well for us, but best manager ever? Is the man paying you to say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 What Scotland needs is ambitious and courageous people to take us forward. I'm sorry, but I'm staying in London. : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 I'm sorry, but I'm staying in London. : Every cloud...................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 I'm sorry, but I'm staying in London. : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Every cloud...................... Every cloud...................... Dry your eyes. Someone has to rule the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Yet you would have binned Lennon umpteen times who is the manager who has WON a national trophy and taken us to our HIGHEST finish in the SPL? Aye, you're right enough. Do you see how taking us from the bottom of the SFL1 to an established SPL team is bigger improvement than taking us from 10th in the SPL to...8th in the SPL? Do you see how taking us from 1 semi final in over 20 years to 2 semis and 1 final in 2 seasons is a bigger improvement than taking us from beaten finalists to winners? The improvements under Danny have been incremental, the improvements under Gus were wholesale. oaksoft, on 23 Nov 2013 - 08:56, said: You need to get over your Gus fetish. Gus did well for us, but best manager ever? Is the man paying you to say that? Who's better then? State your case with reference to improvements made on pitch and conditions the club was in when the manager was appointed compared to when he left. Try keep your sexual metaphors to yourself in the process, they're a bit creepy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Do you see how taking us from the bottom of the SFL1 to an established SPL team is bigger improvement than taking us from 10th in the SPL to...8th in the SPL? Do you see how taking us from 1 semi final in over 20 years to 2 semis and 1 final in 2 seasons is a bigger improvement than taking us from beaten finalists to winners? The improvements under Danny have been incremental, the improvements under Gus were wholesale. Indeed I do as the starting point is far higher and therefore harder to improve. Taking a team from shite to the best shite in the SPL was an achievement, I've never denied that, but to take us higher and to WIN a national trophy is a better achievement. Oh, and in a shorter timeframe. This does explain you long running agenda to undermine our current manager, as if we needed any proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Indeed I do as the starting point is far higher and therefore harder to improve. Taking a team from shite to the best shite in the SPL was an achievement, I've never denied that, but to take us higher and to WIN a national trophy is a better achievement. Oh, and in a shorter timeframe. This does explain you long running agenda to undermine our current manager, as if we needed any proof. Sheesh!A sensible, coherent, logical, pertinent, on-topic post from the man in the east! It must be your drugs working... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Sheesh! A sensible, coherent, logical, pertinent, on-topic post from the man in the east! It must be your drugs working... Fcuk off, annoying cnut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Fcuk off, annoying cnut. Aw.....The drugs don't work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smcc Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Who's better then? State your case with reference to improvements made on pitch and conditions the club was in when the manager was appointed compared to when he left. Try keep your sexual metaphors to yourself in the process, they're a bit creepy. Are you really suggesting that Gus's achievements were greater than those of Alex Ferguson? OK, Fergie did not win any trophies, but in four years took the club from the 2nd Division to the top spot in the 1st Division and into the Premier League. He also left a legacy of top class players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cottonbud Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 (edited) Guy's, lets not compare the managers. lets just enjoy the success they have brought to the club Edited November 23, 2013 by cottonbud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 (edited) Indeed I do as the starting point is far higher and therefore harder to improve. Taking a team from shite to the best shite in the SPL was an achievement, I've never denied that, but to take us higher and to WIN a national trophy is a better achievement. Oh, and in a shorter timeframe. This does explain you long running agenda to undermine our current manager, as if we needed any proof. Higher is harder to improve? What are you basing that on? Have you just made that up? There's plenty of teams who have came from behind us to over take us since Danny took over. Why didn't they find it harder? Also, he's only managed to take us higher in one of his three seasons, in the other two we finished lower than we were when he took over. Why don't you mention that? Shorter time frame? Have you made that up aswell? Gus took us from 7th to 2nd in his first full season, then from 2nd to 1st in his second full season. Not to mention winning a cup in the process. He then lead us to a record high SPL finish in his third full season and then another record high in his 4th full season. In his 5th full season he took us to our first Scottish Cup Semi Final in over 20 years, beating Celtic in the process. In his 6th and final season he took us to our first cup final in over 20 years and matched our record high SPL finish that he had set in the process. It was undeniable improvement year on year in the first 4 seasons of his tenure, and his final 2 years we consolidated in the league while making a bigger impact in the cups. You certainly couldn't say Danny has made undeniable improvement year on year in his first 4 seasons. Who do you think was our best manager ever? And why? Edited November 23, 2013 by Lex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Are you really suggesting that Gus's achievements were greater than those of Alex Ferguson? OK, Fergie did not win any trophies, but in four years took the club from the 2nd Division to the top spot in the 1st Division and into the Premier League. He also left a legacy of top class players. I'd say Fergies record is probably the one that comes closest. He, like Gus, took over when we were in the bottom half of the second tier. He also got us promoted in his second full season, like Gus did. However he left after his third full season, Similar records, but i'd say Gus's longevity and better record in the cups means he just edges it for me. Legacy is a difficult thing to define and to compare between eras, especially with the differing contract laws between now and then. I'd say a better measure is simply results on the pitch when the manager was in the dugout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 (edited) Dry your eyes. Someone has to rule the country. Edited November 23, 2013 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Banjos Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Gus in the paper this morning saying Derry offered him a one year deal. He turned it down then changed his mind. When he called them back an hour later they'd already appointed Collins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Higher is harder to improve? What are you basing that on? Have you just made that up? There's plenty of teams who have came from behind us to over take us since Danny took over. Why didn't they find it harder? Also, he's only managed to take us higher in one of his three seasons, in the other two we finished lower than we were when he took over. Why don't you mention that? Shorter time frame? Have you made that up aswell? Gus took us from 7th to 2nd in his first full season, then from 2nd to 1st in his second full season. Not to mention winning a cup in the process. He then lead us to a record high SPL finish in his third full season and then another record high in his 4th full season. In his 5th full season he took us to our first Scottish Cup Semi Final in over 20 years, beating Celtic in the process. In his 6th and final season he took us to our first cup final in over 20 years and matched our record high SPL finish that he had set in the process. It was undeniable improvement year on year in the first 4 seasons of his tenure, and his final 2 years we consolidated in the league while making a bigger impact in the cups. You certainly couldn't say Danny has made undeniable improvement year on year in his first 4 seasons. Who do you think was our best manager ever? And why? Calm down dear! Nobody is saying Gus was shite but only winners are remembered. Gus won the 1st division and a noddy Cup and both were brilliant. BUT Danny has won us a Cup and an 8th place SPL finish. We're already in 8th place again and looking at another cracking season. As for Ross County and others? WGAS. I support Saints. I'm not comparing Danny to Gus AND other managers at other clubs. Compared to Gus, Danny will be remembered forever as the man who won us that National Cup and turned us into a very decent SPL team playing extremely decent football and we're also getting to see players who would never have been here if Gus had stayed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 (edited) I'd say Fergies record is probably the one that comes closest. He, like Gus, took over when we were in the bottom half of the second tier. He also got us promoted in his second full season, like Gus did. However he left after his third full season, Similar records, but i'd say Gus's longevity and better record in the cups means he just edges it for me. Legacy is a difficult thing to define and to compare between eras, especially with the differing contract laws between now and then. I'd say a better measure is simply results on the pitch when the manager was in the dugout. Oh be still my aching sides. Gus better than Fergie. That has to be the most ridiculous statement since the Duke decided to abuse stats to "prove" Danny was our worst manager ever. I like the added flourish of the word "probably" in there too which suggests there's another manager who was also better than Fergie. Edited November 23, 2013 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Higher is harder to improve? What are you basing that on? Have you just made that up? There's plenty of teams who have came from behind us to over take us since Danny took over. Why didn't they find it harder? Also, he's only managed to take us higher in one of his three seasons, in the other two we finished lower than we were when he took over. Why don't you mention that? Shorter time frame? Have you made that up aswell? Gus took us from 7th to 2nd in his first full season, then from 2nd to 1st in his second full season. Not to mention winning a cup in the process. He then lead us to a record high SPL finish in his third full season and then another record high in his 4th full season. In his 5th full season he took us to our first Scottish Cup Semi Final in over 20 years, beating Celtic in the process. In his 6th and final season he took us to our first cup final in over 20 years and matched our record high SPL finish that he had set in the process. It was undeniable improvement year on year in the first 4 seasons of his tenure, and his final 2 years we consolidated in the league while making a bigger impact in the cups. You certainly couldn't say Danny has made undeniable improvement year on year in his first 4 seasons. Who do you think was our best manager ever? And why? Oh dear, usual confusing reply. Jog on, you're fizzing, no "Get Rid of Lennon" stories for you to enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Calm down dear! Nobody is saying Gus was shite but only winners are remembered. Gus won the 1st division and a noddy Cup and both were brilliant. BUT Danny has won us a Cup and an 8th place SPL finish. We're already in 8th place again and looking at another cracking season. As for Ross County and others? WGAS. I support Saints. I'm not comparing Danny to Gus AND other managers at other clubs. Compared to Gus, Danny will be remembered forever as the man who won us that National Cup and turned us into a very decent SPL team playing extremely decent football and we're also getting to see players who would never have been here if Gus had stayed. Only winners are remembered? In that case Gus's two titles will stand him in good stead. Gus improved us far more than Danny has, i'm sure even you would agree with that. That's the point i'm making. It's far easier to take a team from 10th to 8th than from 19th to 10th, i'm sure even you'd agree with that. It's far easier to take a team from beaten finalists to winners than from no finals in a generation to a final. Gus built the house, Danny's just doing the garden. Oh be still my aching sides. Gus better than Fergie. That has to be the most ridiculous statement since the Duke decided to abuse stats to "prove" Danny was our worst manager ever. I like the added flourish of the word "probably" in there too which suggests there's another manager who was also better than Fergie. Where did i say he was better than Fergie? I'm comparing their records while at St Mirren. In the first 2 seasons they are virtually identical. After that Gus lasted longer and established us in the top flight and took us to a cup final. Fergie never. Why do you think Fergies record at St Mirren is better that Gus's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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