Would You Vote Labour Ever Again?

[Stuart Dickson]

On the day that one ex Labour MP pleads guilty of defrauding the UK taxpayer and faces a jail sentence, the Labour Party has suspended the Labour Councillor who brought down the Co-Operative Bank after he was caught buying and using cocaine.

Can these wet Socialists ever be trusted again?

[stlucifer]

On the day that one ex Labour MP pleads guilty of defrauding the UK taxpayer and faces a jail sentence, the Labour Party has suspended the Labour Councillor who brought down the Co-Operative Bank after he was caught buying and using cocaine.

Can these wet Socialists ever be trusted again?

I know. Much better off with tories and the likes of Patrick Mercer,..... Eh!

[Stuart Dickson]

I know. Much better off with tories and the likes of Patrick Mercer,..... Eh!

Well yes of course it is. Mercer hasn't been found guilty of any criminal offence. He didn't bring down a UK bank under his stewardship. As far as I know he's never been caught buying illegal drugs, and he hasn't confessed to stealing taxpayers money. Being paid to lobby is distasteful and against Parliamentary rules but it isn't against the law. Mercer won't be facing a jail term even if the allegations prove true.

[Leicester Saint]

One politician doesn't make a political party, nor their manifesto.

[oaksoft]

Who was the politician who fiddled the parliamentary expenses system to have his moat cleaned?

Which party did he belong to?

Read my lips.

ALL POLITICAL PARTIES ARE DISREPUTABLE AND THERE ARE NO COMPLETELY HONEST POLITICIANS.

[Stuart Dickson]

One politician doesn't make a political party, nor their manifesto.

Ok, well what about Falkirk? Eric Joyce - the happy piss head and the vote rigging allegations? Michael Watson - Labours firestarter. Or Damien McBride, Labours man of the long knives. Or Tony Blair - who some like to accuse of being a war criminal. And that's just scratching the surface.

[oaksoft]

Ok, well what about Falkirk? Eric Joyce - the happy piss head and the vote rigging allegations? Michael Watson - Labours firestarter. Or Damien McBride, Labours man of the long knives. Or Tony Blair - who some like to accuse of being a war criminal. And that's just scratching the surface.

And despite this, the Tories still can't buy votes in Scotland.

If it weren't for the "undemocratic" list system there would be virtually no Tory MSP's in Scotland at all.

Hilarious.

[Leicester Saint]

Ok, well what about Falkirk? Eric Joyce - the happy piss head and the vote rigging allegations? Michael Watson - Labours firestarter. Or Damien McBride, Labours man of the long knives. Or Tony Blair - who some like to accuse of being a war criminal. And that's just scratching the surface.

You could name examples of any political party in Britain, or anywhere else for that matter, where politicians have acted improperly.

My reply wasn't that of a defender of Labour, more that of someone who thinks you can make any point about politicians if you look for the right mud to sling. Bit like what the red top tabloid scum do?

[FS]

On the day that one ex Labour MP pleads guilty of defrauding the UK taxpayer and faces a jail sentence, the Labour Party has suspended the Labour Councillor who brought down the Co-Operative Bank after he was caught buying and using cocaine.

Can these wet Socialists ever be trusted again?

No hint of an agenda here at all, eh Stu ?

[Stuart Dickson]

And despite this, the Tories still can't buy votes in Scotland.

If it weren't for the "undemocratic" list system there would be virtually no Tory MSP's in Scotland at all.

Hilarious.

Yep that's true and it shows just how stupid the Scottish electorate is. Lets face it - the Scottish political scene is obscene. When a convicted wife beater can continue to claim his MSP salary whilst locked in a prison cell you've got to wonder about the sanity of Donald Dewar and David Steele when they put the rules and policies in place for Hollyrood.

[Bloomsbury Bud]

Jonathan Aitken, Jeffrey Archer, Lord Hanningfield, Lord Taylor there's been Tories, too. Add on Walker (SNP) and Hulne (Lib Dem) and we're across the floor.

[thepaisleypanda]

12 pages in & Stu or Reynard haven't blamed Slamond yet? - REMARKABLE!

[zebrakid]

For some reason I am having a problem posting links however I would hate to see you disenfranchised by the immorality of others Stuart so if you search Wikipedia they list a history of 44 politicians who have criminal convictions, but every party seems to be covered so not much help really and they have a few notable omissions and I'll try to be impartial here Harvey Proctor (con) John Stonehouse (Lab) then we would also have to take into account those who we know or suspect are/where rank badjins but have never been convicted Cyril Smith (lib).

It is also amusing & enlightening to follow this link to its conclusion with the final link from Bob Castle (freedom of information officer)

www.whatdotheyknow,com/requests/mps_with_criminal_records

[Guest TPAFKATS]

I'm intrigued StuDick - Will you ever vote Labour again?

[TediousTom]

No, negative, naw, never

[oaksoft]

Yep that's true and it shows just how stupid the Scottish electorate is. Lets face it - the Scottish political scene is obscene. When a convicted wife beater can continue to claim his MSP salary whilst locked in a prison cell you've got to wonder about the sanity of Donald Dewar and David Steele when they put the rules and policies in place for Hollyrood.

Did you miss the by election?

[Stuart Dickson]

For some reason I am having a problem posting links however I would hate to see you disenfranchised by the immorality of others Stuart so if you search Wikipedia they list a history of 44 politicians who have criminal convictions, but every party seems to be covered so not much help really and they have a few notable omissions and I'll try to be impartial here Harvey Proctor (con) John Stonehouse (Lab) then we would also have to take into account those who we know or suspect are/where rank badjins but have never been convicted Cyril Smith (lib).

It is also amusing & enlightening to follow this link to its conclusion with the final link from Bob Castle (freedom of information officer)

www.whatdotheyknow,com/requests/mps_with_criminal_records

That's quite well researched.

I've done the count.

15 - Labour

2 - Whig

7 - Conservative - one who's crime was being a homosexual.

4 - Liberal Democrat

1 - Unionist Party

1 - BNP

1 - Independent

1 - UKIP

1 - Anti Crime Party who was put in jail for 6 years after attacking a court bailiff with a chainsaw.

3 - Unelected and Unaffiliated Peer

1 - Scotsman who eventually admitted to bribing people to vote for him - sounds like a Labour politician if only that party had been around back then.

1 - Scotsman who appointed himself leader of the Protestant Association, tried to set fire to the House of Commons, set fire to a prison and the Bank Of England, was arrested for High Treason and detained in the Tower of London - so SNP for him then.

2 - Scottish Jacobite - count 2 for the SNP then....

1 - Englishman from 1680 who lead a Dutch invasion of three ships to try to kill the king and take his throne.

1 - Englishman who was arrested for corrupting voters in the 17th Century

1 - Englishman who was put in charge of the mint in the 16th Century who made the coins too thin.

1 - Dubline based Irishman who along with the Scotsman took part in the Gordon Riots trying to set fire to the House of Commons and setting fire to the Bank of England

So even just going on the basis of that Wiki article Labour are clearly the party of the criminal with an incredible number of convicted criminals despite a much shorter history than the other two major parties.

[Stuart Dickson]

Did you miss the by election

You know that Walker resigned - he couldn't be sacked as an MSP even though he was expelled by his party. Had he chosen not to resign he'd still be coining in his large wage whilst serving time for 23 charges of domestic violence. That's the kind of Parliament we have in Scotland.....

[oaksoft]

You know that Walker resigned - he couldn't be sacked as an MSP even though he was expelled by his party. Had he chosen not to resign he'd still be coining in his large wage whilst serving time for 23 charges of domestic violence. That's the kind of Parliament we have in Scotland.....

That loophole either has now been fixed or it soon will be.

That's what happens in real life outside Dickoland - problems occur and they are identified and fixed.

Nobody needs to get overly worked up about this.

It's been sorted. Where's the fire?

It must be hilarious in your world where mistakes are forbidden and perpetrators of any human mistake whatsoever should lose their jobs, be forced onto the streets and live out their few remaining days in isolation free from the perfection of Dickoland.

Blimey. Every mistake with you is a life threatening catastrophe isn't it? Every blunder an opportunity to boost your own ego whilst allowing you to ridicule people including those trying to fix it. If they fail to fix it of course you "foresaw" the problem from the safety of your own couch. If only they'd take you away from your security cameras duty you could solve it at a stroke at no financial cost or inconvenience for anyone.

Edited November 19, 2013 by oaksoft

[Guest somner9]

On the day that one ex Labour MP pleads guilty of defrauding the UK taxpayer and faces a jail sentence, the Labour Party has suspended the Labour Councillor who brought down the Co-Operative Bank after he was caught buying and using cocaine.

Can these wet Socialists ever be trusted again?

I'd vote for them solely becaue you urnae..!

[saintnextlifetime]

I'd vote for them solely becaue you urnae..!

That , would be as valid a reason as any. .

[Guest somner9]

That , would be as valid a reason as any. .

Why hell I'd happily drive and dump truckloads of toxic waste in my back garden if Dicko was of the opposite opinion of it's merit.

[salmonbuddie]

 

Why hell I'd happily drive and dump truckloads of toxic waste in my back garden if Dicko was of the opposite opinion of it's merit.

Yep, he's the Yes campaign's ultimate weapon, watch the polls swing when it's unleashed.

:lol

[Stuart Dickson]

That loophole either has now been fixed or it soon will be.

That's what happens in real life outside Dickoland - problems occur and they are identified and fixed.

Nobody needs to get overly worked up about this.

It's been sorted. Where's the fire?

It must be hilarious in your world where mistakes are forbidden and perpetrators of any human mistake whatsoever should lose their jobs, be forced onto the streets and live out their few remaining days in isolation free from the perfection of Dickoland.

Blimey. Every mistake with you is a life threatening catastrophe isn't it? Every blunder an opportunity to boost your own ego whilst allowing you to ridicule people including those trying to fix it. If they fail to fix it of course you "foresaw" the problem from the safety of your own couch. If only they'd take you away from your security cameras duty you could solve it at a stroke at no financial cost or inconvenience for anyone.

If you do a search on Google the only "fix" they appear to have come up with is that Walker may have lost 90% of his salary whilst in prison.

What I find incredible is that the Scottish Parliament was set up in an era where Jonathan Aitken had just been found guilty of perjury and was serving an 18 month prison sentence, and Jeffrey Archer was back in court yet again over allegations that he had perjured himself in a libel case against the Star. Dewar and Steele were coming from a parliament where politicians were going to jail - and according to Channel 4's Dispatches programme Steele was also in the know about Cyril Smiths abuse of boys - yet no provision was made by the Scottish Parliament for sacking an MSP if they are found guilty of a crime. Indeed the parliament also managed to ignore the issue despite enduring a similar case where Labour MSP Mike Watson was convicted of fire raising and was sentenced to 16 months in jail.

Sure, Scotland is a new democracy and as such rules will probably be made up on the hoof, but it's incredible that in the background of all that was and has happened that Walker was still in a position where he could have retained his full MSP salary whilst serving time for 23 counts of Domestic Violence. Did Steele and Dewar really think that Scottish Politicians would be beyond reproach?

When you consider the massive failings in the construction of our bamboo hut and the ridiculous cost of the building and the rather embarrassing episode that see's two independent politicians holding seats in the Parliament having resigned the SNP whip - with no mandate and no electorate to represent - you have to seriously consider the competency of those politicians in charge in Scotland...and yet some want us to vote for Independence?

Edited November 19, 2013 by Stuart Dickson

[Seaside Nipper]

Why restrict this to voting Labour , ffsake............

As long as politicians continue to apologise.............. when caught

for their evening cruising in parks , for their thievery and fraudulant fiscal claims , for their frankly disingenuous use of the English language ,their failure to answer simple questions, their inability to control their policy assistants, their lack of ability to grasp problems and deal with them , their irresponsible and self seeking agendas, their lack of accountability, their self assured arrogance, their belief that they know better than their electorate, their disdain for the people who vote for them, their lack of ability to set an example, for their grasping entitlement to freebies and for some kind of earned respect.........................well,

it'll be allright , eh , aye, what's the problem here??