Sue Denim Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 If cases double every day as per the red bars then we’re in trouble. But the red bars are made up. The blue bars - mainly made up of false positives - aren’t doubling every 7 days however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, bazil85 said: Your conclusion is governed by the money in your pocket, you've admitted as much. Your conclusion is governed by your political and virtue signalling agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portmahomack saint Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sue Denim said: If cases double every day as per the red bars then we’re in trouble. But the red bars are made up. The blue bars - mainly made up of false positives - aren’t doubling every 7 days however. Really look forward to Sue's daily coronavirus updates reminds me of my first day at school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 4 hours ago, Cookie Monster said: It has always been passed on by people, the governments have tried to explain to folk the reasoning for the restrictions (sometimes better than others). It will continue to be passed on by people even by those that are complying with the restrictions. It's the folk that are coming up with unbelievable conspiracy theories and others that think they know best that are contributing to the large increase in numbers that will result unfortunately soon in more unnecessary deaths. There's one person on here even being allowed by his mate to incite breaking the law. That to me is unbelievable and should be sorted before more deaths. 😂😂😂 The irony is that the it’s the policies that you’ve supported that have caused 40,000 unavoidable deaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 Just now, Sue Denim said: Your conclusion is governed by your political and virtue signalling agenda. That's incorrect, politics is irrelevant to me in a global pandemic, I would support any political party prioritising human life during a pandemic. Politics is secondary. You often bring virtue signalling into it, for some reason it's a foreign concept to you that some people just want us to take steps that minimise the numbers of people dying. Your view that these people only wanting to flaunt their morality online and not actually caring about others is baffling to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said: Definitely emotional but not nonsensical. I've never questioned any sensible poster or credible scientist. I even understood the graph you got slated by the poster I referred too previously, was if there wasn't a lockdown. As you've written in the last paragraph probably, that's one of the reasons why I've erred on the side of a more cautious way forward. Causing 40,000 avoidable deaths in the U.K. and millions around the world can hardly be described as cautious. You are killing people, those deaths are on your hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) With @Cookie Monster urging the government to shut down the NHS again this winter, throw thousands of elderly people out of hospital to their deaths and destroy the livelihoods of millions - all because he likes to think he’s being virtuous - it good to see a more sensible narrative now hitting the BBC Its no surprise that callous fascists like @Cookie Monster want to shut down an alternative viewpoint. He’s previously threatened that he’d put me in hospital (he thinks he’s hard) and now he’s calling for me to be banned. Covid: Is it time we learnt to live with the virus? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54228649 Edited September 21, 2020 by Sue Denim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 Father-of-three, 38, given two years to live after lockdown restrictions delayed his cancer diagnosis https://inews.co.uk/news/father-terminal-coronavirus-delay-cancer-diagnosis-498126 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 New paper out which demonstrates that social distancing can INCREASE the number of deaths https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsif.2018.0296 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Sue Denim said: Father-of-three, 38, given two years to live after lockdown restrictions delayed his cancer diagnosis https://inews.co.uk/news/father-terminal-coronavirus-delay-cancer-diagnosis-498126 Very sad but a good example of how stories are spun and how you lap them up when they fit your agenda. "Ben Bradbeer, a 38-year-old father-of-three, says he was misdiagnosed with an infection and given antibiotics when he visited his GP in February complaining of pain and bowel changes." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 Wealth of US billionaires grows by a third, all while millions around the world are dying and thrown into poverty Looks like the rich are eating the poor @Bud the Baker profits before people https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/sep/17/wealth-of-us-billionaires-rises-by-nearly-a-third-during-pandemic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 Another paper out which demonstrates that the policies that are currently being followed are actually increasing deaths. Abstract: Minimizing infections and deaths from COVID-19 are not the same thing. While society has some control on the final number of infected individuals through intervention and mitigation strategies, we have much greater control over the age-profile of the final cohort of infected individuals. By ignoring this distinction, strategies which focus on minimizing transmission rates to every extent possible in the entire population could increase deaths among all age groups. We argue for what we call the heterogeneous transmission thesis: in the response to a highly transmittable infectious disease with highly age-variable mortality rates, death rates (for all age groups) may be minimized by mitigation strategies which selectively reduce transmission rates in at-risk populations, while maintaining closer-to-normal transmission rates in low-risk populations. https://www.math.cmu.edu/~wes/covid.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 Carl Heneghan demonstrates that a third of supposedly Covid deaths in the last 6 weeks were not from covid https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/death-certificate-data-covid-19-as-the-underlying-cause-of-death/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 Additional lock-down restrictions "almost certain" in Scotland, announcement in next 48 hours. The hope is for a four country approach but if that can't be agreed, Scotland will go it alone with the restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, bazil85 said: Very sad but a good example of how stories are spun and how you lap them up when they fit your agenda. "Ben Bradbeer, a 38-year-old father-of-three, says he was misdiagnosed with an infection and given antibiotics when he visited his GP in February complaining of pain and bowel changes." And then When he returned two months later with the same problems and rectal bleeding he was given more antibiotics and told he was unable to be referred to a hospital specialist “because of Covid-19”. but you missed this out because it doesn’t fit your agenda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Monster Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] The irony is that the it’s the policies that you’ve supported that have caused 40,000 unavoidable deaths. If the deaths were unavoidable what's the problem you have with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 53 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said: I even understood the graph you got slated by the poster I referred too previously, was if there wasn't a lockdown. Well that makes two of us. I gave up on the rest of the posters months ago. Interesting to hear Vallance talking today about 50,000 cases per day within the next couple of weeks. That's right up there with the US which had no real lockdown. I can't bring myself to believe that. At some point the government is going to realise that these guys are charlatans and get rid of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 52 minutes ago, Sue Denim said: If cases double every day as per the red bars then we’re in trouble. But the red bars are made up. The blue bars - mainly made up of false positives - aren’t doubling every 7 days however. You've now posted exactly the same type of predictive graph that, only yesterday, you gave me shit for posting. Oh and OF COURSE the red lines are made up. We are not at the end of September yet. The are predictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Monster Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 With [mention=15909]Cookie Monster[/mention] urging the government to shut down the NHS again this winter, throw thousands of elderly people out of hospital to their deaths and destroy the livelihoods of millions - all because he likes to think he’s being virtuous - it good to see a more sensible narrative now hitting the BBC Its no surprise that callous fascists like [mention=15909]Cookie Monster[/mention] want to shut down an alternative viewpoint. He’s previously threatened that he’d put me in hospital (he thinks he’s hard) and now he’s calling for me to be banned. Covid: Is it time we learnt to live with the virus? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54228649Like I've asked numerous times before and you've never provided the evidence, please show where I have supposedly threatened you and also where I've called you to be banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 Like I've asked numerous times before and you've never provided the evidence, please show where I have supposedly threatened you and also where I've called you to be banned.I think everyone should be banned except those on my ignore list.So the forum would be left with shull, shull, shull, shull, shull, baz, shull, shull, shull, sweep, shull, shull and shull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 57 minutes ago, Sue Denim said: And then When he returned two months later with the same problems and rectal bleeding he was given more antibiotics and told he was unable to be referred to a hospital specialist “because of Covid-19”. but you missed this out because it doesn’t fit your agenda If at that point it was suspected as bowel cancer he would have been refereed and they wouldn't have given more antibiotics. Do you see any gaps in this story yet? You can choose to believe it blindly, I think it's pretty ignorant not to think there's been a degree of spin. Poor guy and I feel for him but the root cause seems like misdiagnoses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Slarti said: I think everyone should be banned except those on my ignore list. So the forum would be left with shull, shull, shull, shull, shull, baz, shull, shull, shull, sweep, shull, shull and shull. You'd still be here though, the obsession would demand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, bazil85 said: If at that point it was suspected as bowel cancer he would have been refereed and they wouldn't have given more antibiotics. Do you see any gaps in this story yet? You can choose to believe it blindly, I think it's pretty ignorant not to think there's been a degree of spin. Poor guy and I feel for him but the root cause seems like misdiagnoses. I blame Colum! or was it Madden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, antrin said: I blame Colum! or was it Madden? tricky one, we know both of them would have missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 7 hours ago, bazil85 said: If the doubling rate keeps going it won't be pretty. This relates back to my point on short short-sightedness. Let's not forget many of the early posts on this thread underplayed the severity quite significantly. I know, 50,000 a day in October according to Vallance, which will double every week. If that carries on, by Christmas that will be more than 6 million a day and more people than exist will have been infected. We're all doomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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