Bud the Baker Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Scottish independence support 'at highest ever level - 46%. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39265997 Just 5 to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 36 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said: Scottish independence support 'at highest ever level - 46%. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39265997 Just 5 to go! A decent starting point given it was sitting at less than 30% 18 months prior to the first indyref. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 I think the yes vote could be boosted considerably by the Tories telling us we can't go alone, better together patter while at the same time carrying out a divorce from the E.U. The argument this time is going to be fascinating, I voted Yes the last time, however at the time SNP announced Indy 2 I was for voting No. However the behaviour of Theresa May has already go me leaning to a Yes vote. I can't wait till daft Boris comes out with his patter. He's certain to boost the yes vote. I can't believe that the press are so surprised that Nicola is carrying out her election pledge that should Scotland be dragged out of the E.U. against it's will then this would be grounds for holding a second referendum. This is going to be some debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 I suspect the prospect of at least 15 years of Tory control in Westminster, and the increasingly unsavoury, reactionary nature of their policies and posturing, will play a significant role. Throw in the shambolic state of Labour on both sides of the border, and we have a stark choice. This time round, the debate might focus a bit more on sovereignty and constitution than almost all attention being on the economy (albeit these elements are inextricably linked). For me personally, its relatively straightforward. A significant majority of younger people (including my daughters) support independence. The best gift we can give them is the ability to shape the future they want. I trust them to do that. This will be a vote for the future - their future. If its what they desire, I believe we should ensure that they receive it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 I suspect the prospect of at least 15 years of Tory control in Westminster, and the increasingly unsavoury, reactionary nature of their policies and posturing, will play a significant role. Throw in the shambolic state of Labour on both sides of the border, and we have a stark choice. This time round, the debate might focus a bit more on sovereignty and constitution than almost all attention being on the economy (albeit these elements are inextricably linked). For me personally, its relatively straightforward. A significant majority of younger people (including my daughters) support independence. The best gift we can give them is the ability to shape the future they want. I trust them to do that. This will be a vote for the future - their future. If its what they desire, I believe we should ensure that they receive it. There's also a significant majority of auld folk who are staunchly British an example being the 70 yo woman on radio shortbread yesterday "I'm 70 and I was born in UK and I want to die in UK"Difficult to change that view.Heard another pensioner this morning when walking the dog tell a guy who's German that he'll be getting sent back to Germany if SNP get their way. Mibees there should be an IQ test prior to getting a polling card [emoji3] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Drew said: Toys oot the pram Not really. I'm just not intereested in talking to someone who is behaving like that. More than happy to discuss any issue with you but FFS cut out the Dickson-like patter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kendo said: I think the yes vote could be boosted considerably by the Tories telling us we can't go alone, better together patter while at the same time carrying out a divorce from the E.U. The argument this time is going to be fascinating, I voted Yes the last time, however at the time SNP announced Indy 2 I was for voting No. However the behaviour of Theresa May has already go me leaning to a Yes vote. I can't wait till daft Boris comes out with his patter. He's certain to boost the yes vote. I can't believe that the press are so surprised that Nicola is carrying out her election pledge that should Scotland be dragged out of the E.U. against it's will then this would be grounds for holding a second referendum. This is going to be some debate. By the time the vote comes another 4 years worth of youngsters will have joined the electoral list since the last vote, the vast majority of whom are probably going to vote Yes. There is an inevitability about all of this as older generations die off the next set of pensioners will be less staunchly pro-UK. Edited March 15, 2017 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 25 minutes ago, oaksoft said: More than happy to discuss any issue with you but FFS cut out the Dickson-like patter. Aye, right you are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Drew said: Aye, right you are He does that every time he runs out of bluster. Bails out, turns it around on someone else and still doesn't answer the question. Still waiting on the proof there is next to no child abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Yes that's a bold statement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 The Masses are Asses Especially in Scotland. Votes will be cast depending on which football team one supports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 At the last indyref my mum asked all her children and grandchildren (who were of voting age) how they wanted her to vote, since, as fas as she was concerned, the decision would impact them far more, and for far longer, than it would her. The kind of altruism that's sadly lacking in today's ' I'm alright Jack' society.Many base their voting preferences on being a couple of hundred quid a year better off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smcc Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Looking after oneself is not confined to the elderly, and I know many over 70s, myself included, who have believed for a long time that Scotland should be independent. This opinion has been reinforced by the intransigent attitude of the brexiteer Brigade who seem stll to harbour the delusion that Britain is a world power and that other nations will be falling over themselves to give the UK (or what remains of it) favourable trading terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Looking after oneself is not confined to the elderly, and I know many over 70s, myself included, who have believed for a long time that Scotland should be independent. This opinion has been reinforced by the intransigent attitude of the brexiteer Brigade who seem stll to harbour the delusion that Britain is a world power and that other nations will be falling over themselves to give the UK (or what remains of it) favourable trading terms. I certainly wasn't meaning to insinuate that smcc. My post was based on recent polling showing a majority of over 70s opposed to Scottish Independence and in response to Drew(?) posting that a majority of under 25s are in favour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 English press keeping it classy early doors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 5 hours ago, TPAFKATS said: The kind of altruism that's sadly lacking in today's ' I'm alright Jack' society. Many base their voting preferences on being a couple of hundred quid a year better off And many didnt. Some on the Yes side voted for a socialist utopia and some didnt. There is no such thing as true altruism. We are all in it for something even if it is making ourselves feel better. Nothing wrong with that. Not sure what your point here is TBH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, TPAFKATS said: English press keeping it classy early doors Anyone who is triggered by this needs to have a word with themselves. In the article, Pearson descibes Sturgeon as the love child of a Bay City Roller and a Shetland pony. It may not be politically correct but it is pretty funny. Somewhere along the line we lost our sense of humour and our tolerance for strong and opposing views. Thats a shame IMO. Edited March 16, 2017 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Oh my f**king God. Cringe. This guy actually thinks the Telegraph has asked for Sturgeon to be murdered http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/the-telegraph-actually-called-for.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 You haven't read the article, oaky, you couldn't come to that conclusion if you did. Well, a reasonable person couldn't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 6 hours ago, salmonbuddie said: You haven't read the article, oaky, you couldn't come to that conclusion if you did. Well, a reasonable person couldn't... Yes, you appear to be one of those tedious Yessers who cannot tolerate other people having a different view. Apparently I either agree with you or I am "unreasonable". Its a modern day phenomenon but it is very much your problem not mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 And many didnt. Some on the Yes side voted for a socialist utopia and some didnt. There is no such thing as true altruism. We are all in it for something even if it is making ourselves feel better. Nothing wrong with that. Not sure what your point here is TBH. Touche - not really getting what your point is, I think you've replied just for the sake of it.And to think you accuse others of Dickson like behaviour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Yes, you appear to be one of those tedious Yessers who cannot tolerate other people having a different view. Apparently I either agree with you or I am "unreasonable". Its a modern day phenomenon but it is very much your problem not mine. You obviously still haven't read the article and seen beyond the headline, at no point apart from the headline does he make any such claim. Which is exactly the point he's making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Anyone who is triggered by this needs to have a word with themselves. In the article, Pearson descibes Sturgeon as the love child of a Bay City Roller and a Shetland pony. It may not be politically correct but it is pretty funny. Somewhere along the line we lost our sense of humour and our tolerance for strong and opposing views. Thats a shame IMO. Considering an MP was murdered during the most recent referendum, it's not the most responsible approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Apparently I either agree with you or I am "unreasonable". Wow, some self reflection required oaky? That's pretty much how most of your replies go on this forum. [emoji3] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said: Considering an MP was murdered during the most recent referendum, it's not the most responsible approach. Oh FFS. We cant make jokes now because of that? Maybe you should make a list of things we CAN joke about seeing as how you seem to think there is a moral issue at stake. Take your political correctness and stick it where the sun doesnt shine. Grow up. Edited March 16, 2017 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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