sally02

I've read the proposal, watched the video, asked and had answered my questions and have now voted. I really do like the idea of the link up with Kibble and acknowledge the need for the expertise on offer but I still can't see why the shares are required to achieve the aims and requirements of both the club and Kibble, as a result i've voted no. I'll continue to pay my monthly cash no matter what the result so let's see what the result is on Friday.

And there isn't for "total" fan ownership?
Every scenario has that potential.

Yes, FJ here. Was/am locked out of the original account and, for some reason I kept failing the security under my new guise.
But, now I am on....just in time to jump on the runaway, unstoppable St Mirren juggernaut all the way to Hampden.
COYS!

The club wound like to thank you for your support. [emoji2]

You love cup games that much that you are not going, some man !!!

Kibble already accept funding from the proceeds of gambling via lotteries

This Jim Thomson ? did you watch a different video ?
https://e3m.org.uk/leaders_club/kibble/

That is a crock of shit and from a small minded individual with no concept of a good business model. The kibble “no we only take people form Renfrewshire, you go and find your own local organisation”
The kibble are based and resourced in Renfrewshire. That is what make them local.
That’s like saying SMFC is not a local club. We have employees and players that were not from Renfrewshire and we take money from fans that are not from Renfrewshire. Therefore in your ivory tower we are not a local club.

Your last sentence summed it up.
Firstly He ISN'T benefitting. He's getting SOME of his money back.
Secondly. It's as clear as mud what you're alluding to as it's irrelevant whether SMISA have to OK it. It still doesn't mean Scott has benefitted as he's getting His Own Money back. That's akin to me putting my cash under the mattress then claiming I benefitted from lifting the thing and putting my money back in my pocket

Ok Kirk! RIP

Can you please point out to me one instance of SMISA trying to smear anyone. I have yet to see SMISA post on any thread on BWA never mind this one. Every post is the persons personal opinion. I think you are imagining / hearing things again. As I stated well back in the thread you are gagging to call the vote "rigged" if it goes against how you would have voted if you had a say which we all know you don't. The result will be a fair and binding one no matter which way it goes.

Verbose kech, you can't half speak a lot and say feck all ........of interest. 

Why don't you give The Sun an exclusive.  Get in contact with them and tell them how a local charity is not being very charitable and how it could be the end of a historical football club.    

You really are a piece of work! Just reply to the voices in your head, because I'm not really interested in what you think!

The Veto
I think that a lot of people have taken a fairly basic view of the fact that Kibble would be able to Veto any major decisions relating to SMFC Ltd, as they would be 27.5% shareholders in the company. Obviously if you invest in a business to the proposed level, you would want as much influence as possible to protect your investment.
My take on the reality of the eventual working of this would be that SMISA with 51% of the shareholding and majority fan ownership would have a complete right to Veto any proposals and plans as they saw fit and proper, with no real recourse for Kibble to challenge or object.  On the other hand, if Kibble vetoed a proposal or plan put forward by the board majority, and the SMISA members and the rest of the fanbase were not happy with Kibble's position, in that situation I am sure the case would make the public domain and the press would no doubt put their various twists and slants on it, which leaves Kibble open to scrutiny, questions regarding their overall motives in the partnership, and potential damage to their reputation. Was their veto for their own benefit only, for the mutual benefit of both partners, etc etc ? Kibble will be very aware of this.
If the boot was on the other foot, I don't think SMISA would be under scrutiny in that way, as in general, Football Clubs and their Boards are perceived as only one event away from a crisis and often weekly managed anyway - certainly the case in Scotland!
So I would suggest that the veto is not as powerful a tool to Kibble as you might first think - it has its dangers for them as well as SMISA. 

The Veto
I think that a lot of people have taken a fairly basic view of the fact that Kibble would be able to Veto any major decisions relating to SMFC Ltd, as they would be 27.5% shareholders in the company. Obviously if you invest in a business to the proposed level, you would want as much influence as possible to protect your investment.
My take on the reality of the eventual working of this would be that SMISA with 51% of the shareholding and majority fan ownership would have a complete right to Veto any proposals and plans as they saw fit and proper, with no real recourse for Kibble to challenge or object.  On the other hand, if Kibble vetoed a proposal or plan put forward by the board majority, and the SMISA members and the rest of the fanbase were not happy with Kibble's position, in that situation I am sure the case would make the public domain and the press would no doubt put their various twists and slants on it, which leaves Kibble open to scrutiny, questions regarding their overall motives in the partnership, and potential damage to their reputation. Was their veto for their own benefit only, for the mutual benefit of both partners, etc etc ? Kibble will be very aware of this.
If the boot was on the other foot, I don't think SMISA would be under scrutiny in that way, as in general, Football Clubs and their Boards are perceived as only one event away from a crisis and often weekly managed anyway - certainly the case in Scotland!
So I would suggest that the veto is not as powerful a tool to Kibble as you might first think - it has its dangers for them as well as SMISA. 

This is why I’ve voted in favour. I get the impression there is an apathy among the SMISA membership to get involved and make a direct contribution. If it got to 2026 and we were looking for folk to step up then I think it would be the same story. This way we get control but aren’t reliant entirely on SMISA to drive commercial streams.

If the exchanges on here are representative of 1200 members, then f**king right they can't be trusted to run a football club IMO.

You just know that if the vote succeeds there will be claims that it's fixed !!! SMFC will be here long after all of us are 6 foot under of that I'm certain so all this hot air is just that. What will be will be. Wish it was all done and dusted either way.

I would even say it's gone beyond that. A lot of smisa members I know are sold on fan ownership and fan ownership alone. The German model was always used as the beacon ie 51% does the job. We are miles away from the schemes in place in Germany to self support and protect clubs but it's seen as the most workable model. Plenty fan owned clubs there have strategic partnerships as they translate as. A lot of members just want to get to majority fan ownership as quickly as possible. Not saying that it the right road but it's a popular opinion. As always the massively silent majority will make the decision not the few on here.

Excellent post Ricky 👍  you nailed it 

Maybe Kibble could extend their secure unit to cater for members of the adult community in need of care and protection from themselves.
Criteria for care package:-
Inflated ego trippers
Chip on Shoulder Jealous Sorts
Mis-conception of IQ levels
Wannabe Lawyers/Accountants/Experts in everything and anything
All day keyboard addicts with f--k all else in their lives
Etc.
Etc.
In fact Solitary Padded Cells would work better.
A few on here would be right at the front of the queue.
This thread displays all that is worst in debate/discussion/decision making - always those that think they are always right, better informed, it's my way or no way attitudes, and I would say it's a fairly safe bet that the majority of SMISA members don't want to read all about the personal vendettas and shit throwing going on here.
If you want to get answers, hunt down Gordon Scott, Colin Orr and Jim Gillespie and ask them directly.
 
 

Maybe Kibble could extend their secure unit to cater for members of the adult community in need of care and protection from themselves.
Criteria for care package:-
Inflated ego trippers
Chip on Shoulder Jealous Sorts
Mis-conception of IQ levels
Wannabe Lawyers/Accountants/Experts in everything and anything
All day keyboard addicts with f--k all else in their lives
Etc.
Etc.
In fact Solitary Padded Cells would work better.
A few on here would be right at the front of the queue.
This thread displays all that is worst in debate/discussion/decision making - always those that think they are always right, better informed, it's my way or no way attitudes, and I would say it's a fairly safe bet that the majority of SMISA members don't want to read all about the personal vendettas and shit throwing going on here.
If you want to get answers, hunt down Gordon Scott, Colin Orr and Jim Gillespie and ask them directly.
 
 

SMISA December update and director election result View this email in your browser     SMISA December update
    Dear SMISA member

Here is your latest update from SMISA – including the results of our director election, an update on the new pitch we helped fund at Ralston, and some of your member benefits.

Director election

As you know SMISA is currently electing its next representative on the St Mirren board. As only one eligible candidate – David Riley – came forward, we asked you to vote on whether to approve his appointment. The results were as follows:

YES – 734 votes (95%) / NO – 36 votes (5%).

This means David will be SMISA’s man in the St Mirren boardroom and the link between the club and the trust for the next two years. We on the committee are looking forward to working with him and believe he would have been a strong candidate regardless of how many others were on the ballot. David's appointment will be made official at the upcoming club AGM.

David Nicol – who has been SMISA’s board rep for the past two years – will stay on the St Mirren board temporarily to help the transition and ensure continuity, at the agreement of all parties. However David Riley is now the nominated SMISA rep and your point of contact – should any member wish to discuss a club-related issue with him, he can be contacted on [email protected]

New 4G pitch at Ralston

In April you voted to commit £50,000 of our £2 pot money towards the cost of the club replacing the astrograss pitch at the club’s training ground and youth academy. That work is now complete and the new pitch will soon be used by hundreds of young players from the club’s various youth teams, as well as the first team squad.

The £2 pot allows SMISA to invest in the future of the club and the assets we will one day be majority owners of – and this investment allowing the next generation of St Mirren players to develop is one you can be proud of your role in. In our October £2 spend you also chose to invest in a new set of moveable goals for the academy and these have now been ordered.

Ralston member benefits

As part of our investment in the new pitch it was agreed SMISA would become the sponsors of the youth academy for the next two seasons, with a series of benefits made available for members.

The club has already announced a chance to play on the new 4G pitch (rescheduled for Sunday 3 February due to a clash with the now-televised home game v Hibs) where fans can buy a place to play against a team of ex-players and club staff, with money reinvested back into the academy. And on that day the club will be thanking SMISA members for your contribution in two ways.

Firstly, there are two places in the legends/staff team for SMISA members, free of charge. Anyone interested should send their name to [email protected] by Sunday 9 December, and we will draw and notify the two lucky winners. Please note you must be aged 18 or over.

Secondly, all SMISA members are invited to an open day at Ralston on the day of the game. Not only can you watch the match but you will have the chance to get a short tour inside the facility itself. We will be in touch with more details nearer the time.

Academy Christmas dinner

This coming Friday (7 Dec) sees the Youth Academy Christmas dinner - a three-course meal and party at the stadium hospitality suite, with all proceeds to the academy.

SMISA has paid for a table as part of the ongoing benefits package offered to our plus and premium members, however there is one place left for a member and their guest, which we are offering to all members.

If you would like to go, please email [email protected] by Tuesday 4 December and we will draw someone to be there on the night.

Community season tickets

Back in April you voted in favour of using £2 money to run a community season ticket scheme allowing SMISA to reach out to local good causes and help bring the club and community closer together.

Like last season we have 24 seats (four rows of six) in the South Stand for all home league fixtures in 2018-19, apart from Old Firm games – offered free to community groups, third sector organisations and local charities operating in Renfrewshire. So far this season we have helped Crisis Counselling in Erskine, Shelter, Home Start Renfrewshire and the Star Project to but name a few.

We have been working closely with Engage Renfrewshire to find suitable homes for the tickets but would like any members who know of or are involved with a group who would benefit from a free day out at the football to apply – which you can do online here

SMFC Community Trust Festive Friends event

As you know SMISA has donated money towards the SMFC Community Trust’s Festive Friends event – which will see a Christmas meal at the stadium on December 25 for people living locally who might otherwise have spent the day alone.

The organisers haven’t yet filled all the places and asked if any SMISA members would like to nominate anyone they know who would benefit from being there on the day. If so, please contact [email protected]

As always, if there are any questions, you can reach us via [email protected]

The SMISA committee
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You are receiving this email as a current member of SMiSA and as such correspondence from us will contain up-to-date information regarding the Association, it's activities and the club itself.

Our mailing address is: St. Mirren Independent Supports Association smisa c/o St Mirren Football Club Simple Digital Arena, Greenhill Road Paisley, Renfrewshire PA3 1RU United Kingdom

Maybe Kibble could extend their secure unit to cater for members of the adult community in need of care and protection from themselves.
Criteria for care package:-
Inflated ego trippers
Chip on Shoulder Jealous Sorts
Mis-conception of IQ levels
Wannabe Lawyers/Accountants/Experts in everything and anything
All day keyboard addicts with f--k all else in their lives
Etc.
Etc.
In fact Solitary Padded Cells would work better.
A few on here would be right at the front of the queue.
This thread displays all that is worst in debate/discussion/decision making - always those that think they are always right, better informed, it's my way or no way attitudes, and I would say it's a fairly safe bet that the majority of SMISA members don't want to read all about the personal vendettas and shit throwing going on here.
If you want to get answers, hunt down Gordon Scott, Colin Orr and Jim Gillespie and ask them directly.
 
 

Maybe Kibble could extend their secure unit to cater for members of the adult community in need of care and protection from themselves.
Criteria for care package:-
Inflated ego trippers
Chip on Shoulder Jealous Sorts
Mis-conception of IQ levels
Wannabe Lawyers/Accountants/Experts in everything and anything
All day keyboard addicts with f--k all else in their lives
Etc.
Etc.
In fact Solitary Padded Cells would work better.
A few on here would be right at the front of the queue.
This thread displays all that is worst in debate/discussion/decision making - always those that think they are always right, better informed, it's my way or no way attitudes, and I would say it's a fairly safe bet that the majority of SMISA members don't want to read all about the personal vendettas and shit throwing going on here.
If you want to get answers, hunt down Gordon Scott, Colin Orr and Jim Gillespie and ask them directly.