Would You Vote Labour Ever Again?

[Stuart Dickson]

Why restrict this to voting Labour , ffsake............

As long as politicians continue to apologise.............. when caught

for their evening cruising in parks , for their thievery and fraudulant fiscal claims , for their frankly disingenuous use of the English language ,their failure to answer simple questions, their inability to control their policy assistants, their lack of ability to grasp problems and deal with them , their irresponsible and self seeking agendas, their lack of accountability, their self assured arrogance, their belief that they know better than their electorate, their disdain for the people who vote for them, their lack of ability to set an example, for their grasping entitlement to freebies and for some kind of earned respect.........................well,

it'll be allright , eh , aye, what's the problem here??

As I've pointed out though criminality amongst the Labour ranks has outstripped any other political party in history - and yet the Labour Party is relatively young compared to the Conservative and Liberal Parties. As George Orwell pointed out when you put pigs in charge it's not long before they start to act like the humans they took over from only in a more greedy, aggressive, and ugly way than was ever done before.

[Vambo57]

To answer the question, yes, I would probably vote Labour, but only IF Scotland becomes an Independent country.

They would not then have to toe the Westminster Party Line. Until that day they can whistle.

[Guest somner9]

Now I was sure a string of Tory mp,s and former ministers have been to prison in recent years.... Are we airbrushing facts and history to suit again Dicko?

You only serve to make others take the opposite viewpoint regardless

[Stuart Dickson]

Now I was sure a string of Tory mp,s and former ministers have been to prison in recent years.... Are we airbrushing facts and history to suit again Dicko?

You only serve to make others take the opposite viewpoint regardless

Do your research Somner.

According to Wiki the number of convicted politicians over the past 300 odd years is as follows

15 - Labour

2 - Whig

7 - Conservative - one who's crime was being a homosexual.

4 - Liberal Democrat

1 - Unionist Party

1 - BNP

1 - Independent

1 - UKIP

1 - Anti Crime Party who was put in jail for 6 years after attacking a court bailiff with a chainsaw.

3 - Unelected and Unaffiliated Peer

1 - Scotsman who eventually admitted to bribing people to vote for him - sounds like a Labour politician if only that party had been around back then.

1 - Scotsman who appointed himself leader of the Protestant Association, tried to set fire to the House of Commons, set fire to a prison and the Bank Of England, was arrested for High Treason and detained in the Tower of London - so SNP for him then.

2 - Scottish Jacobite - count 2 for the SNP then....

1 - Englishman from 1680 who lead a Dutch invasion of three ships to try to kill the king and take his throne.

1 - Englishman who was arrested for corrupting voters in the 17th Century

1 - Englishman who was put in charge of the mint in the 16th Century who made the coins too thin.

1 - Dubline based Irishman who along with the Scotsman took part in the Gordon Riots trying to set fire to the House of Commons and setting fire to the Bank of England

I'm sure even you will agree that Labours record in it's 113 years of existence is pretty remarkable. Especially when you consider the Liberal Party has an extra 41 years on them - having previously been knowns as the Radicals, and The Whigs - and the Conservative Party goes back to 1760.

Of course this also ignores the record of politicians in the Scottish Parliament where the likes of Tommy Sheridan and Mike Watson help the Socialist cause - and those figures - bizarrely - also don't take into account Eric Joyce's conviction for assault in 2012, his conviction from August 2012 for removing his tag, or his drink driving ban in 2010.

Edited November 19, 2013 by Stuart Dickson

[Guest somner9]

Do your research Somner.

According to Wiki the number of convicted politicians over the past 300 odd years is as follows

15 - Labour

2 - Whig

7 - Conservative - one who's crime was being a homosexual.

4 - Liberal Democrat

1 - Unionist Party

1 - BNP

1 - Independent

1 - UKIP

1 - Anti Crime Party who was put in jail for 6 years after attacking a court bailiff with a chainsaw.

3 - Unelected and Unaffiliated Peer

1 - Scotsman who eventually admitted to bribing people to vote for him - sounds like a Labour politician if only that party had been around back then.

1 - Scotsman who appointed himself leader of the Protestant Association, tried to set fire to the House of Commons, set fire to a prison and the Bank Of England, was arrested for High Treason and detained in the Tower of London - so SNP for him then.

2 - Scottish Jacobite - count 2 for the SNP then....

1 - Englishman from 1680 who lead a Dutch invasion of three ships to try to kill the king and take his throne.

1 - Englishman who was arrested for corrupting voters in the 17th Century

1 - Englishman who was put in charge of the mint in the 16th Century who made the coins too thin.

1 - Dubline based Irishman who along with the Scotsman took part in the Gordon Riots trying to set fire to the House of Commons and setting fire to the Bank of England

I'm sure even you will agree that Labours record in it's 113 years of existence is pretty remarkable. Especially when you consider the Liberal Party has an extra 41 years on them - having previously been knowns as the Radicals, and The Whigs - and the Conservative Party goes back to 1760.

Of course this also ignores the record of politicians in the Scottish Parliament where the likes of Tommy Sheridan and Mike Watson help the Socialist cause - and those figures - bizarrely - also don't take into account Eric Joyce's conviction for assault in 2012 or his drink driving ban in 2010.

Failed again Dicko The Liberal Democrats only came into existence in the mid 80's so your creative accumulation theory is pants....

now just who were these imprisoned labour Mp's..? Ministers..? former ministers..?,

and what were there crimes say compared to Hamilton, Aitken, Archer etc...

[Stuart Dickson]

Failed again Dicko The Liberal Democrats only came into existence in the mid 80's so your creative accumulation theory is pants....

now just who were these imprisoned labour Mp's..? Ministers..? former ministers..?,

and what were there crimes say compared to Hamilton, Aitken, Archer etc...

Hmm, Somner you really need to brush up on your reading skills. Read the post again. I said the Liberal Party has an extra 41 years on them - having previously been known as the Radicals and The Whigs. The count of Liberal criminals goes back way beyond the 1980s and there latest name change to Liberal Democrats. As for who - if you read back just one page you'll see that Zebra provided the research and I did the count. I know you are slow but come on for f**k sake!

Oh you may also like to clarify what crimes you are accusing Neil Hamilton of exactly. He was cleared of the rape allegations made against him and he had no criminal convictions prior to that. He was very good at bringing libel cases to court though - something perhaps you should bear in mind if you are going to wrongly accuse him of being a convicted criminal.

Edited November 19, 2013 by Stuart Dickson

[zurich_allan]

Failed again Dicko The Liberal Democrats only came into existence in the mid 80's so your creative accumulation theory is pants....

now just who were these imprisoned labour Mp's..? Ministers..? former ministers..?,

and what were there crimes say compared to Hamilton, Aitken, Archer etc...

One of the reasons I have the bell-end SD on ignore. He's a pseudo-intellectual (read: an arrogant tosser who thinks he's an intellectual, but he's actually thick). Funny how he likes to get on his his high horse about people he perceives to be workshy too, yet I seem to find the time to post maybe once every couple of days on the forum compared to his 20 lengthy posts full of drivel and utter bullshit a day. So who is it that's workshy exactly? Twat.

Edited November 19, 2013 by zurich_allan

[Stuart Dickson]

One of the reasons I have the bell-end SD on ignore. He's a pseudo-intellectual (read: an arrogant tosser who thinks he's an intellectual, but he's actually thick). Funny how he likes to get on his his high horse about people he perceives to be workshy too, yet I seem to find the time to post maybe once every couple of days on the forum compared to his 20 lengthy posts full of drivel and utter bullshit a day. So who is it that's workshy exactly. Twat.

Shh, don't tell Allan but I work a constant night shift pattern and by the end of November I will have clocked up 124 hours of overtime on top of my regular 48 hours per week. Today is my day off. I wonder how he - as a University Lecturer - can manage to post at 14.27 on a Tuesday though. I hope he's not being workshy at taxpayers expense.

[zurich_allan]

 

Shh, don't tell Allan but I work a constant night shift pattern and by the end of November I will have clocked up 124 hours of overtime on top of my regular 48 hours per week. Today is my day off. I wonder how he - as a University Lecturer - can manage to post at 14.27 on a Tuesday though. I hope he's not being workshy at taxpayers expense. 

Hah, glad I opened the typical response that I knew would be coming. For a start, a university lecturer is not a 9-5 job, secondly, believe it or not, people have things called 'breaks' that they are allowed to have during the course of their working time - you know, the things that you eat your cake and talk shite on this forum during, and thirdly, my wife had a baby 10 days ago, so I don't actually have to be in work as we speak - though in spite of this I've actually gone in and taught 4 double lectures and 6 tutorials during that time.

Fourth and final point before I go back to NOT arguing with a moron - you're a dick.

That is all.

[Guest somner9]

Failed again Dicko The Liberal Democrats only came into existence in the mid 80's so your creative accumulation theory is pants....

now just who were these imprisoned labour Mp's..? Ministers..? former ministers..?,

and what were there crimes say compared to Hamilton, Aitken, Archer etc...

Naw didn't think you'd answer that so let me help you.

Chris Huhne lib Dem for perverting the course of justice over swapping speeding points with his ex-wife Vicky Pryce

Former cabinet minister Jonathan Aitken was convicted of perjury and perverting the course of justice in 1999. The former Tory MP received an 18-month prison sentence. The sentencing judge told him he had spun a ‘web of deceit’.

Jeffrey Archer was convicted of perjury and perverting the course of justice during a 1987 libel case. The novelist and former Tory MP was jailed for four years in 2001.

Tory peer Lord Hanningfield was jailed for nine months in 2011 after being convicted of falsely claiming nearly £14,000 in parliamentary expenses. The former Essex County Council leader spent just nine weeks in prison.

Former Conservative politician Lord Taylor of Warwick was jailed for 12 months in 2011 after falsely claiming £11,277 in travel costs.

against a few lowly labour Mp's caught fiddling their expenses...

Same old tories, same old sleaze

[Stuart Dickson]

Hah, glad I opened the typical response that I knew would be coming. For a start, a university lecturer is not a 9-5 job, secondly, believe it or not, people have things called 'breaks' that they are allowed to have during the course of their working time - you know, the things that you eat your cake and talk shite on this forum during, and thirdly, my wife had a baby 10 days ago, so I don't actually have to be in work as we speak - though in spite of this I've actually gone in and taught 4 double lectures and 6 tutorials during that time.

Fourth and final point before I go back to NOT arguing with a moron - you're a dick.

That is all.

Oh we know being a University Lecturer isn't a 9-5 job. I'd say it's more like a 10am - 10.15am job - with at least 8 hours worth of "eating cake" per day. 4 double lectures and 6 tutorials in 10 days kind of bears that out.

[RickMcD]

If StuDick's figures are correct British politicians of the last 300 odd years are to be congratulated for being part of the most honest profession in the world. Forty odd in 300 years? Judges,Lawers even clergymen can't hope to come anywhere near. And here's me thinking they were near all crooks. I wonder if just maybe knowing the right people helps or possibly even the ability to cross the appropriate palms with silver.

being the

[Stuart Dickson]

If StuDick's figures are correct British politicians of the last 300 odd years are to be congratulated for being part of the most honest profession in the world. Forty odd in 300 years? Judges,Lawers even clergymen can't hope to come anywhere near. And here's me thinking they were near all crooks. I wonder if just maybe knowing the right people helps or possibly even the ability to cross the appropriate palms with silver.

being the

That's possibly true Rick. If you check out the Wiki article there was certainly several attempts by Labour Politicians to get off with serious crimes. The story of Leo Chiozza Money perhaps spells it out best. Having being caught in the act of a sexual assault on a lady, he complained to the forces that he was not the usual "riff raff" and was granted permission to speak to the Home Secretary in the Labour government at that time. He was let off amid claims of a government conspiracy only to then be caught again sexually assaulting a young female on a train a few years later.

Of course there's also the plenty allegations that surround cover ups over Cyril Smiths behaviour at the Lib Dems, or the behaviour of Bill Walker at the SNP where it's been alleged that party officials were very aware of what was going on and refused to act.

Then on the other hand you have the case of Andrew Mitchell who was done up like a kipper by the police and forced out of government office by his party bosses - only for it to transpire that the police lied and everyone had got it wrong.

Edited November 19, 2013 by Stuart Dickson

[Seaside Nipper]

Hah, glad I opened the typical response that I knew would be coming. For a start, a university lecturer is not a 9-5 job, secondly, believe it or not, people have things called 'breaks' that they are allowed to have during the course of their working time - you know, the things that you eat your cake and talk shite on this forum during, and thirdly, my wife had a baby 10 days ago, so I don't actually have to be in work as we speak - though in spite of this I've actually gone in and taught 4 double lectures and 6 tutorials during that time.

Fourth and final point before I go back to NOT arguing with a moron - you're a dick.

That is all.

Weh hey...........congrats on parenthood....oh and enjoy your paternity. It gets right up some folks noses

[stlucifer]

Shh, don't tell Allan but I work a constant night shift pattern and by the end of November I will have clocked up 124 hours of overtime on top of my regular 48 hours per week. Today is my day off. I wonder how he - as a University Lecturer - can manage to post at 14.27 on a Tuesday though. I hope he's not being workshy at taxpayers expense.

Ahhhh. Now I understand. No sleep in the last few years due to continuosly posting p!sh on here would drive any man to your level of madness! Take a nightall Stu. In fact take a few packets worth!

[Ayrshire Saints]

Yep that's true and it shows just how stupid the Scottish electorate is. Lets face it - the Scottish political scene is obscene. When a convicted wife beater can continue to claim his MSP salary whilst locked in a prison cell you've got to wonder about the sanity of Donald Dewar and David Steele when they put the rules and policies in place for Hollyrood.

Will you still deride these Labour voters as "stupid" when they vote no (assuming they toe the party line) in the referendum ? Lets face facts, without them your dreaded split up of the union will happen as there sure as hell ain't enough tories in Scotland to prevent a yes vote.

[Guest TPAFKATS]

There's a hell of a lot of labour voters who quite fancy splitting from london as well. Theres also a few who dont want anything to with better together as it means sleeping with the tories and lib dems

[Stuart Dickson]

Will you still deride these Labour voters as "stupid" when they vote no (assuming they toe the party line) in the referendum ?  Lets face facts, without them your dreaded split up of the union will happen as there sure as hell ain't enough tories in Scotland to prevent a yes vote.

As Natsis like to tell us all the time this isn't about voting on party lines and there aren't enough Turkey's willing to vote for Christmas

[thepaisleypanda]

As Natsis like to tell us all the time this isn't about voting on party lines and there aren't enough Turkey's willing to vote for Christmas

What do these thickos know eh?

The times they are a changin!

http://www.strathstudents.com/sites/default/files/Yes%20Wins%201st%20Indy%20Ref%20Debate.pdf

[Stuart Dickson]

What do these thickos know eh?

The times they are a changin!

http://www.strathstudents.com/sites/default/files/Yes%20Wins%201st%20Indy%20Ref%20Debate.pdf

You cite students and you want me to take it seriously.....FFS

[buddiecat]

Yep, he's the Yes campaign's ultimate weapon, watch the polls swing when it's unleashed.

i'm afraid you may be right, his pal cameron is also doing his bit for the yes campaign

[oaksoft]

If you do a search on Google the only "fix" they appear to have come up with is that Walker may have lost 90% of his salary whilst in prison.

What I find incredible is that the Scottish Parliament was set up in an era where Jonathan Aitken had just been found guilty of perjury and was serving an 18 month prison sentence, and Jeffrey Archer was back in court yet again over allegations that he had perjured himself in a libel case against the Star. Dewar and Steele were coming from a parliament where politicians were going to jail - and according to Channel 4's Dispatches programme Steele was also in the know about Cyril Smiths abuse of boys - yet no provision was made by the Scottish Parliament for sacking an MSP if they are found guilty of a crime. Indeed the parliament also managed to ignore the issue despite enduring a similar case where Labour MSP Mike Watson was convicted of fire raising and was sentenced to 16 months in jail.

Sure, Scotland is a new democracy and as such rules will probably be made up on the hoof, but it's incredible that in the background of all that was and has happened that Walker was still in a position where he could have retained his full MSP salary whilst serving time for 23 counts of Domestic Violence. Did Steele and Dewar really think that Scottish Politicians would be beyond reproach?

When you consider the massive failings in the construction of our bamboo hut and the ridiculous cost of the building and the rather embarrassing episode that see's two independent politicians holding seats in the Parliament having resigned the SNP whip - with no mandate and no electorate to represent - you have to seriously consider the competency of those politicians in charge in Scotland...and yet some want us to vote for Independence?

Is there anything you don't get your tits in a twist over?

Is your motto "No issue too irrelevant"?

[thepaisleypanda]

You cite students and you want me to take it seriously.....FFS

You cite "Bitter Together" & you want US to take YOU seriously?

(Well, most of us don't on this site, but- hey-ho!)

Serious question StuDicko - what would happen if Scotland WERE to vote No?

Would it be a Lab Government in London? - (hmm - maybe) - would that help us here in Scotland any more than the present regime?

[insaintee]

On the day that one ex Labour MP pleads guilty of defrauding the UK taxpayer and faces a jail sentence, the Labour Party has suspended the Labour Councillor who brought down the Co-Operative Bank after he was caught buying and using cocaine.

Can these wet Socialists ever be trusted again?

What do you mean again? Are you a lapsed socialist? Explains so much!

[Stuart Dickson]

You cite "Bitter Together" & you want US to take YOU seriously?

 

(Well, most of us don't on this site, but- hey-ho!) 

 

Serious question StuDicko - what would happen if Scotland WERE to vote No?

 

Would it be a Lab Government in London? - (hmm - maybe) - would that help us here in Scotland any more than the present regime?

If Scotland votes no we carry on in one of the world's most successful political unions just as we have done for the most successful and most financially rewarding period in Scottish history - the last 300 years