Jump to content

Sign in to follow this  
shull

The Masses Are Indeed Asses

Recommended Posts

10 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

 

Halving of ferry fares to the Islands as a result of the Road Equivalent Tariff boosting tourism and saving travellers a fortune.

 

I was unaware of this splendid initiative until I was discussing the cost of ferries in Italy.

It cost me £65 return to Capri from Sorrento, which is a 25 minute journey.:blink: Fares on Lake Garda are similar.

My friend who goes to Arran frequently, was telling me how cheap it was to get to Arran nowadays, due to the aforementioned initiative.

Apparently the number of tourists in Arran has increased markedly, and local businesses have seen a significant upturn in business.

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

12 minutes ago, FTOF said:

I was unaware of this splendid initiative until I was discussing the cost of ferries in Italy.

It cost me £65 return to Capri from Sorrento, which is a 25 minute journey.:blink: Fares on Lake Garda are similar.

My friend who goes to Arran frequently, was telling me how cheap it was to get to Arran nowadays, due to the aforementioned initiative.

Apparently the number of tourists in Arran has increased markedly, and local businesses have seen a significant upturn in business.

 

 

Aye, back in the day, the ferry to Arran was apparently the most expensive on a per mile basis in Europe.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
25 minutes ago, FTOF said:

I was unaware of this splendid initiative until I was discussing the cost of ferries in Italy.

It cost me £65 return to Capri from Sorrento, which is a 25 minute journey.:blink: Fares on Lake Garda are similar.

My friend who goes to Arran frequently, was telling me how cheap it was to get to Arran nowadays, due to the aforementioned initiative.

Apparently the number of tourists in Arran has increased markedly, and local businesses have seen a significant upturn in business.

 

 

No no no that can't be right though.

Dickson has already told us that the SNP have done absolutely nothing positive for anyone in 9 years of government.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

No no no that can't be right though.

Dickson has already told us that the SNP have done absolutely nothing positive for anyone in 9 years of government.

Just like "Nothing has changed" after Brexit.

What a dullard he is.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Millions of us have enjoyed a council tax fereze for almost 10 years. How much has that saved us?

Millions of us now enjoy travelling across the Forth Road and Erskine Bridges without having to queue to pay, saving us regular travellers around £300 to £400 per annum.

Millions of us enjoyed the right to have a free unfettered referendum on independence regardless of the result. A huge win for democracy.

You can't see ANY positives in these 3? None at all?



Saved us nothing obviously since it was a freeze not a reduction. And the effect shows in the potholes, the poor care for the elderly, growing class sizes, closed community centres etc, etc which come from the huge shortfalls in council funding

No road tolls is great until you find your route blocked by the closure of the bridge through lack of maintenance or until you get a bill for suspension damage to your car driving through a pothole

I'm glad you "enjoyed" the referendum where £millions were spent finding out what we already knew. Scots prefer being in the Union.

Erm no....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
The extension of free childcare has helped countless working families.

Abolition of business rates for a whole ton of small businesses.

Extension of the free bus transport scheme for disabled veterans.

Hundreds of thousands of students continue to enjoy free university tuition without racking up an extra £54k in debt on top of their other loans.

Lowest crime levels in almost half a century.

Halving of ferry fares to the Islands as a result of the Road Equivalent Tariff boosting tourism and saving travellers a fortune.

Continuation of free prescriptions saving sick people a fortune.

The first government in the UK to introduce a Living Wage for its employees.

Introduction of gay marriage.

The plastic bag charge which has seen usage levels plummet.

etc etc etc.

You see absolutely no positives whatsoever to any of these achievements. None at all eh?



Where is this mythical free child care? Labour brought in a voucher scheme that has since been scrapped as far as I can make out. Certainly my girlfriends nephew - the only person I know with a toddler - is having to pay in excess of £800 per month for childcare

You mean for Amazon don't you?

If you are disabled you get a free bus pass all over the UK. I got one for having fainted while coughing. :rolleyes:

The number of working class students in Scotland continues to fall

True, thanks to national policy. In Scotland we've seen call centres close and staff being made redundant only for them to be rehired and plans reversed when it was revealed that thousands of police officers were claiming overtime to cover the extreme shortage of call centre workers after the Lamara Bell death. In the latest review police officers numbers are now to be reduced in Scotland despite a dangerous shortage of cover caused by even the most minor incident. Never mind though.... I'll remember you posted this when the next civilian fatality is again found to have been cause by Police Scotlands operational errors.

Playing fast and loose with employees lives at Fergusons shipyard as they with held orders for new stock to service the islands breaking EU law.

Free prescription always existed for those that needed it. The SNP introduced free prescriptions for middle classes and for millionaires at the expense of the patient care budget. Indeed to afford it the SNP imposed a recruitment freeze on the NHS in Scotland which has now led to a catastrophic shortage of nurses and consultants in our hospitals.

That's nice..... And yet Nationalists criticise the honours system as cronyism. And does the taxpayer get value for money from the Scottish Parliament and all these employees? Don't f**king think so.

Well done on Gay marriage despite heavy opposition from the SNP membership and from Party funders.

And the so calked bag tax is a waste of time and money and I'd being used by many major companies to boost profits rather than the cash being donated to charity precisely because of the absurdity of the tax being levied to retailers based on an estimate of sales of plastic bags rather than on actual sales of bags. Many retailers have roundly criticised the way this has been set up particularly in Scotland.

Again.... Naw

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, Stuart Dickson said:

Shulls right though. The way people spin good news stories to something of negativity is baffling. For example, just seconds ago I was on the EU Referendum thread reading Ayrshire Saint complaining about mortgage interest rates being set to a new all time low. You'd almost think it was catastrophic news for the tens of millions of Brits who have mortgages who will now be able to enjoy having an average £300 per annum more in their pocket to spend, save or do whatever the hell they like with rather than giving it to our banks.

I don't know if the masses are asses, but certainly there are plenty of asses on this website :rolleyes:

Well, you and your multiple asses could leave...

:booty

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, Stuart Dickson said:

Shulls right though. The way people spin good news stories to something of negativity is baffling. For example, just seconds ago I was on the EU Referendum thread reading Ayrshire Saint complaining about mortgage interest rates being set to a new all time low. You'd almost think it was catastrophic news for the tens of millions of Brits who have mortgages who will now be able to enjoy having an average £300 per annum more in their pocket to spend, save or do whatever the hell they like with rather than giving it to our banks.

I don't know if the masses are asses, but certainly there are plenty of asses on this website :rolleyes:

Again a total misquote - go back and read the post it was a reference the the economy as a whole not the rate cut specifically - I don't have a mortgage so no hardship to me however unles you are on a tracker I doubt many will see anything like a 0.25% cut in mortgage rates if at all and Carney acknowledged that he suspects lenders won't pass it on when stating publicly that they should.  Interest rate cuts are not the answer to a rapidly stagnating economy, as you state yourself a mere £300 per annum per household isn't even a drop in the ocean (and that's assuming they all plough it back into our economy).  The economy needs massive stimulus to just ward off recession, £300 per mortgage holder is pissing in the wind.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Ayrshire Saints said:

Again a total misquote - go back and read the post it was a reference the the economy as a whole not the rate cut specifically - I don't have a mortgage so no hardship to me however unles you are on a tracker I doubt many will see anything like a 0.25% cut in mortgage rates if at all and Carney acknowledged that he suspects lenders won't pass it on when stating publicly that they should.  Interest rate cuts are not the answer to a rapidly stagnating economy, as you state yourself a mere £300 per annum per household isn't even a drop in the ocean (and that's assuming they all plough it back into our economy).  The economy needs massive stimulus to just ward off recession, £300 per mortgage holder is pissing in the wind.

The eedjit also ignores the continuing shadow it casts on those who have tried to provide for their old age by way of having savings.  Or, indeed, on encouraging more people to stick some dosh by for a rainy day.  Might as well keep it in a biscuit tin under the bed.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
The eedjit also ignores the continuing shadow it casts on those who have tried to provide for their old age by way of having savings.  Or, indeed, on encouraging more people to stick some dosh by for a rainy day.  Might as well keep it in a biscuit tin under the bed.



Or buy property to let out to all the poor youngsters who will never get the right to buy the house they'll pay for many times over because of the actions of this Scottish Government.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Again a total misquote - go back and read the post it was a reference the the economy as a whole not the rate cut specifically - I don't have a mortgage so no hardship to me however unles you are on a tracker I doubt many will see anything like a 0.25% cut in mortgage rates if at all and Carney acknowledged that he suspects lenders won't pass it on when stating publicly that they should.  Interest rate cuts are not the answer to a rapidly stagnating economy, as you state yourself a mere £300 per annum per household isn't even a drop in the ocean (and that's assuming they all plough it back into our economy).  The economy needs massive stimulus to just ward off recession, £300 per mortgage holder is pissing in the wind.



So what would you do?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Stuart Dickson said:

 

 


Or buy property to let out to all the poor youngsters who will never get the right to buy the house they'll pay for many times over because of the actions of this Scottish Government.

 

Buying property that you have no need to live in, in order to let it out is the very thing that has artificially boosted the cost of housing and of rents.

 

You don't give a f**k about poor people, do you?

Edited by antrin

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Stuart Dickson said:

 

 


So what would you do?

 

The economy needs QE via investment. Build the houses you crave in other posts thus reducing demand while creating jobs. Infrastructure projects too, job creation while providing much needed facilities. Would make far more impact than useless interest rate cuts or QE via drip feeding cash via banks. Surely some government economists realise that interest rates at 0.5% or 0.25% makes virtually no difference. The country is saturated in debt, people won't take any more on and reducing interest rates will not reverse that. As usual they want us, the masses to try and spend to try to kick start the economy. It isn't working. As Antrim says quite rightly anyone who has tried to save for retirement is being shafted too. A total mess and pre all the brexit referendum it was looking as if recovery was distinctly possible. A right royal f**k up if ever there was one.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Ayrshire Saints said:

The economy needs QE via investment. Build the houses you crave in other posts thus reducing demand while creating jobs. Infrastructure projects too, job creation while providing much needed facilities. Would make far more impact than useless interest rate cuts or QE via drip feeding cash via banks. Surely some government economists realise that interest rates at 0.5% or 0.25% makes virtually no difference. The country is saturated in debt, people won't take any more on and reducing interest rates will not reverse that. As usual they want us, the masses to try and spend to try to kick start the economy. It isn't working. As Antrim says quite rightly anyone who has tried to save for retirement is being shafted too. A total mess and pre all the brexit referendum it was looking as if recovery was distinctly possible. A right royal f**k up if ever there was one.

See there's the negative perception goggles again. 

The UK economy wasn't just on the brink of recovery - it was already growing at a rate much faster than most other leading economies and it has been for years. Without looking it up I think only the US and China were beating us - possibly Germany. If you'd been following events you'd know that most experts were predicting a bit of a slow down in the UK long before Brexit. House Builders were already in recession according to the ONS - and that could be evidenced in the real world by the amount of offers developers had started to put in place to shift completed but unsold units. Part Exchange is usually a big indicator and most of the big ones are doing exactly that now. 

Globally there was suspicions that China's figures are dubious and that far from growing their economy was already in recession, some of the big world banks failed their stress tests On the 30th of July there were news reports about the vulnerability of Barclays and RBS and in the last couple of days we've seen the results of the EU banking stress tests which don't make good reading. Then there is the next Greek bailout which is putting some of the EU economies under pressure - Germany in particular. None of this had anything to do with Brexit but they were all factors that were going to affect the UK no matter how we voted. 

And despite the warnings from the Bank Of England, we're still in a position of strong growth in the UK, unemployment is at a record low, and we're still far more resilient than many of the fragile economies around Europe, like Ireland, Spain, and Portugal. 

Printing more money and spending it is always the socialist way though isn't it. Giving workers 15% pay rises back in the 70's is what brought the UK economy to it's knees, with record rates of inflation. Previous QE programmes by the BoE have been aimed at refinancing the banks and encouraging them to lend the money out. Printing to spend would kill our economy completely. 

Edited by Stuart Dickson

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, Ayrshire Saints said:

The economy needs QE via investment. Build the houses you crave in other posts thus reducing demand while creating jobs. Infrastructure projects too, job creation while providing much needed facilities. Would make far more impact than useless interest rate cuts or QE via drip feeding cash via banks. Surely some government economists realise that interest rates at 0.5% or 0.25% makes virtually no difference. The country is saturated in debt, people won't take any more on and reducing interest rates will not reverse that. As usual they want us, the masses to try and spend to try to kick start the economy. It isn't working. As Antrim says quite rightly anyone who has tried to save for retirement is being shafted too. A total mess and pre all the brexit referendum it was looking as if recovery was distinctly possible. A right royal f**k up if ever there was one.

1. A fair post

2.  Disco's following post lauds the GB "growth" with no regard to it being based on QE  - that will need to be paid for down the line, it's the same as post WWI Deutschland printing increasingly worthless notes....

3.  Who the f**k is Antrim?   Sigh....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, antrin said:

1. A fair post

2.  Disco's following post lauds the GB "growth" with no regard to it being based on QE  - that will need to be paid for down the line, it's the same as post WWI Deutschland printing increasingly worthless notes....

3.  Who the f**k is Antrim?   Sigh....

You laud his post, where he says QE should be used to invest in infrastructure projects, by criticising QE. 

And still folk call nosferatu thickasf**k....:rolleyes: 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, Stuart Dickson said:

You laud his post, where he says QE should be used to invest in infrastructure projects, by criticising QE. 

And still folk call nosferatu thickasf**k....:rolleyes: 

No.

as you well know, Ayrshire was dissing your claim that QE (by printing more money) was sensible.  It's not.  

Ayrshire was promoting QE (by government investment and infrastructure projects).  Now, THAT IS sensible. And I agree.

it's precisely what John Maynard Keynes got governments to do to escape the last depression.

 

but you probably know better, as ever...

(and, if you wish to effectively deploy emoticons, then place a space before you type them in.  See...? :rolleyes: )

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 hours ago, antrin said:

No.

as you well know, Ayrshire was dissing your claim that QE (by printing more money) was sensible.  It's not.  

Ayrshire was promoting QE (by government investment and infrastructure projects).  Now, THAT IS sensible. And I agree.

it's precisely what John Maynard Keynes got governments to do to escape the last depression.

 

but you probably know better, as ever...

(and, if you wish to effectively deploy emoticons, then place a space before you type them in.  See...? :rolleyes: )

Oh dear. 

Quantitive Easing (QE) is the introduction of new money into the money supply by a central bank. There is no other definition of Quantitative Easing. And if you look back I have NEVER claimed that printing more money is the solution. 

Let me guess - you're a nationalist aren't you..... :rolleyes: 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On ‎05‎/‎08‎/‎2016 at 7:43 AM, oaksoft said:

Millions of us have enjoyed a council tax fereze for almost 10 years. How much has that saved us?

Millions of us now enjoy travelling across the Forth Road and Erskine Bridges without having to queue to pay, saving us regular travellers around £300 to £400 per annum.

Millions of us enjoyed the right to have a free unfettered referendum on independence regardless of the result. A huge win for democracy.

You can't see ANY positives in these 3? None at all?

are you REALLY that stupid?

do you think the SNP magically came up with the money to fund these middle class subsidies?

the SNP have cut funding in other areas to keep the middle classes on board

they have cut NHS spending to fund this

people have actually suffered and died for this

the SNP policies are the most extreme right policies that actually male me sick

it's actually disgusting

the right on middle class pretend lefties have their noses in the troughs and are stealing from the sick and the poor

never mind

we can always issue more premium bonds

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
Sign in to follow this  

×
×
  • Create New...