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6 minutes ago, antrin said:

Yup!

Will you comment on my response?

i want a stronger, independent smida that takes everyone along with it, I dont want wrong, avoidable decisions to result in membership drop off. If loaning the club £50k is the right thing to do then i fully trust the membership to vote to approve that, if they get all the information to consider.

is that your definition of shit-stirring? One member, one vote?

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My definition of shit-stirring is to take someone's comment about inevitably moving from Independence to owning the club and you twisting that to allege he meant SMISA would be rolling over to be tickled on the tummy by some Baddies.

 

But you know that.

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4 minutes ago, antrin said:

My definition of shit-stirring is to take someone's comment about inevitably moving from Independence to owning the club and you twisting that to allege he meant SMISA would be rolling over to be tickled on the tummy by some Baddies.

 

But you know that.

Thats your take, mine was to genuinely praise Kenny for his honesty in how he believed Smisa should be.

smisa have broken, and intend to do so again the constitution and governing legislation at the request of the club. We the membership need to check this before it gets serious (FCA investigation, loss of credibility, membership drop off etc). Thats where I am coming from.

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Beginning to feel a broken record here. It's disappointing that smisa's own Sean Spicer (sorry Kenny) has no real cognisance that smisa may have entered into certain contracts when they had no power to do so, having the AGM to 'clear things up' is too late, the fecking horse is half way down causeyside street.

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Can anyone tell me the easiest way to get to the library on the UWS campus? Had been going to go from the High Street end but if the library's nearer the bottom I'll go a different way!

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Can anyone tell me the easiest way to get to the library on the UWS campus? Had been going to go from the High Street end but if the library's nearer the bottom I'll go a different way!


The Library is on storie street. It was the last time I was in it a few years ago.

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1 hour ago, cockles1987 said:

 


The Library is on storie street. It was the last time I was in it a few years ago.

 

Cheers - can nip along to have a look at the Saints mural beforehand :)

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4 hours ago, melmac said:

Beginning to feel a broken record here. It's disappointing that smisa's own Sean Spicer (sorry Kenny) has no real cognisance that smisa may have entered into certain contracts when they had no power to do so, having the AGM to 'clear things up' is too late, the fecking horse is half way down causeyside street.

Turn the off switch then.

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1 hour ago, Stu said:

Can anyone tell me the easiest way to get to the library on the UWS campus? Had been going to go from the High Street end but if the library's nearer the bottom I'll go a different way!

It's at the bottom of the hill on storie street as you come down from high street, over on the right at the bend in the road. It can also be accessed from the other end of storie street off george street - where parking is free.

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Beginning to feel a broken record here. It's disappointing that smisa's own Sean Spicer (sorry Kenny) has no real cognisance that smisa may have entered into certain contracts when they had no power to do so, having the AGM to 'clear things up' is too late, the fecking horse is half way down causeyside street.


I can't recall when I actually joined SMISA, so don't remember all the votes. Hence, I'm not entirely sure what power was given.

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As I don't live locally, I won't make the SMISA AGM today but I am looking forward to getting a copy of the minutes from the meeting. Chapter & Verse. I assume there will be minutes from the AGM emailed to every SMISA member?

Concerning all the same but here's hoping LPM's concerns turn out to be a storm in a teacup

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7 minutes ago, Kombibuddie said:

As I don't live locally, I won't make the SMISA AGM today but I am looking forward to getting a copy of the minutes from the meeting. Chapter & Verse. I assume there will be minutes from the AGM emailed to every SMISA member?

Concerning all the same but here's hoping LPM's concerns turn out to be a storm in a teacup

LPM is not voicing concerns that are non existent. Have not heard of any plans to send out minutes.

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4 hours ago, buddiecat said:
LPM is not voicing concerns that are non existent. Have not heard of any plans to send out minutes.

I have no doubts but there are alarm bells ringing in my head on the strength of the concerns he has raised. They sound very similar in nature to what Stuart Dickson was banging on about before he got sin binned then banished. My commitment of £1440 (over 10 years) is not unconditional.

I am not one of these "i'll cancel my DD at the 1st hint" but there are conditions attached for my commitment to SMISA and, i would suggest, every other contributor thinks about their expectations for their continued commitment.

Mine are pretty straight forward

I would like to be informed (receive minutes of SMISA meetings, including the AGM. I assume John White, as Secretary takes & produces minutes from every meeting? The SMISA membership would not be unreasonable in expecting to receive a copy of the minutes.

As i live in London, attending meetings is not an option i have.

If LPM's concerns are not non existant, i would like a senior member of the SMISA committee to reassure the SMISA membership of what has happpened & what is being done / was done to resolve/rectify.

I do not expect an unelected (with aspirations of being elected) member to try to explain the concerns raised. It needs to come from a senior member who is well established on the SMISA committee.

Back to the alarm bells, something is not right within SMISA is how it appears, i am sure i am not the only one with Alarm bells ringing, SMISA now need to reassure its members otherwise, i suspect their could be a bit of an exodus from Buy the Buds. If it came to that and my membership of SMISA ceased, i'd stick the £12 per month in a pot & would be prepared to cough up the £1440 (or whatever part of it I have not paid monthly to SMISA) at the time it came to complete the purchase of St Mirren.

I genuinely hope it is a storm in a teacup but it appears that it is not.

 

Edited by Kombibuddie
tidying up

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What a great day for the team and supporters yesterday, fantastic performance and result by both!

sadly the same canmot be said of the Smisa AGM, the committee members who spoke continually and tried to insist they have 'Special Executive Powers' that mean they neither need to inform nor consult with the membership  on anything, the constitution and governing legislation are clear, they MUST inform and consult.

Sadly they kept trying to convince themselves they didn't need to, and wouldn't in future involve the membership in the big decisions like loaning the club £15 k to fix the USH (which given the chairmans recent statement is fixed, but just not fixed for use in the winter...ffs) or indeed giving the club access to a further £50k of the memberships funds, with no security, interest or payback date.

what was astonishing to actually witness was the club chairman wading in and answering smisa members questions, that were put to the smisa committee, not him. If you were in any doubt over the loss of Smisa's independence then surely that doubt passed yesterday.

the most outrageous and cringeworthy embarrassing event yesterday was witnessing the committee chairman shutdown the AGM an hour early because they took umbrage at members asking questions. Yes the committee were visibly riled at the temerity of members asking questions. Many people I spoke to leaving and afterwards were embarrassed, upset and at a loss to why the committee did not want to wholeheartedly invite and answer questions.

and several members did not get the opportunity to ask their question as the meeting was brought to an abrupt end. The fallout from this shunning of the members democratic right to hold the committee to account has already manifested itself in members stating they will oppose all suggestions by the committee, and vote out anyone up for election next year.

How long is the behaviour in this way of the smisa committee sustainable? What is it they dont like about democracy?

would be interested to hear the views of anyone else who attended, and witnessed yesterday's embarrassing events.

Edited by Lord Pityme

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What a great day for the team and supporters yesterday, fantastic performance and result by both!
sadly the same canmot be said of the Smisa AGM, the committee members who spoke continually and tried to insist they have 'Special Executive Powers' that mean they neither need to inform nor consult with the membership  on anything, the constitution and governing legislation are clear, they MUST inform and consult.
Sadly they kept trying to convince themselves they didn't need to, and wouldn't in future involve the membership in the big decisions like loaning the club £15 k to fix the USH (which given the chairmans recent statement is fixed, but just not fixed for use in the winter...ffs) or indeed giving the club access to a further £50k of the memberships funds, with no security, interest or payback date.
what was astonishing to actually witness was the club chairman wading in and answering smisa members questions, that were put to the smisa committee, not him. If you were in any doubt over the loss of Smisa's independence then surely that doubt passed yesterday.
the most outrageous and cringeworthy embarrassing event yesterday was witnessing the committee chairman shutdown the AGM an hour early because they took umbrage at members asking questions. Yes the committee were visibly riled at the temerity of members asking questions. Many people I spoke to leaving and afterwards were embarrassed, upset and at a loss to why the committee did not want to wholeheartedly invite and answer questions.
and several members did not get the opportunity to ask their question as the meeting was brought to an abrupt end. The fallout from this shunning of the members democratic right to hold the committee to account has already manifested itself in members stating they will oppose all suggestions by the committee, and vote out anyone up for election next year.
How long is the behaviour in this way of the smisa committee sustainable? What is it they dont like about democracy?
would be interested to hear the views of anyone else who attended, and witnessed yesterday's embarrassing events.



If what you say is true, and I'm not for one minute suggesting otherwise, then it's a joke. It looks like we are all paying to keep the Chairman & Smisa committee in a wee club of their own. To suggest they don't need to consult me as what they do with my money is a joke. If I don't get a copy of the minutes emailed to me or posted then they can kiss my 25 quid a month good bye.

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1 hour ago, Lord Pityme said:

What a great day for the team and supporters yesterday, fantastic performance and result by both!

sadly the same canmot be said of the Smisa AGM, the committee members who spoke continually and tried to insist they have 'Special Executive Powers' that mean they neither need to inform nor consult with the membership  on anything, the constitution and governing legislation are clear, they MUST inform and consult.

Sadly they kept trying to convince themselves they didn't need to, and wouldn't in future involve the membership in the big decisions like loaning the club £15 k to fix the USH (which given the chairmans recent statement is fixed, but just not fixed for use in the winter...ffs) or indeed giving the club access to a further £50k of the memberships funds, with no security, interest or payback date.

what was astonishing to actually witness was the club chairman wading in and answering smisa members questions, that were put to the smisa committee, not him. If you were in any doubt over the loss of Smisa's independence then surely that doubt passed yesterday.

the most outrageous and cringeworthy embarrassing event yesterday was witnessing the committee chairman shutdown the AGM an hour early because they took umbrage at members asking questions. Yes the committee were visibly riled at the temerity of members asking questions. Many people I spoke to leaving and afterwards were embarrassed, upset and at a loss to why the committee did not want to wholeheartedly invite and answer questions.

and several members did not get the opportunity to ask their question as the meeting was brought to an abrupt end. The fallout from this shunning of the members democratic right to hold the committee to account has already manifested itself in members stating they will oppose all suggestions by the committee, and vote out anyone up for election next year.

How long is the behaviour in this way of the smisa committee sustainable? What is it they dont like about democracy?

would be interested to hear the views of anyone else who attended, and witnessed yesterday's embarrassing events.

All of the above and an unwarranted response from the SMiSA chairman when you put your hand up to ask a question led me to find it a less than satisfactory AGM. The SMiSA committee have worked really hard and deserve a lot of praise for their effort and committment, i'd even go as far as saying the guys on the finance group should be getting a salary, they truly work that hard to preside over the cashflow. The communication side of things needs to be completely revamped, and there was a promise stated to do just that, along with a promise to inform members of the details of the £50k facility when an account has been set up, i have every faith in the finance group achieving the best deal for us in that.

Due to personal issues i have with attending meetings of the SMiSA board, i have decided to stop attending meetings (which means i'm not a board member now) Coincidentally these issues also centre on communications. I firmly believe i can now do more to help the success of SMiSA from the outside of board meetings than i could by attending meetings.

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1 hour ago, El Gingero said:

 

 


If what you say is true, and I'm not for one minute suggesting otherwise, then it's a joke. It looks like we are all paying to keep the Chairman & Smisa committee in a wee club of their own. To suggest they don't need to consult me as what they do with my money is a joke. If I don't get a copy of the minutes emailed to me or posted then they can kiss my 25 quid a month good bye.

Please don't quit just yet, let the message that there needs to be more openness with members sink in and see what comes of it first. They said they would have a look at it, so give them a chance to do so first.There certainly is not a feeling within the majority of committe members that it's a "wee club of our own" Yes communications need revamped so give the committee a chance to do so, if people give up on SMiSA without giving the committee a chance to revamp then it would be counter-productive. Let them sort the only thing that is lacking at the moment - openness.

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31 minutes ago, buddiecat said:

Please don't quit just yet, let the message that there needs to be more openness with members sink in and see what comes of it first. They said they would have a look at it, so give them a chance to do so first.There certainly is not a feeling within the majority of committe members that it's a "wee club of our own" Yes communications need revamped so give the committee a chance to do so, if people give up on SMiSA without giving the committee a chance to revamp then it would be counter-productive. Let them sort the only thing that is lacking at the moment - openness.

Surely this lack of openness dates from the fact that for most of its existence SMISA has been a "wee club on its own". The problem is that it has not adjusted to the fact that it is now an organisation with thirteen or fourteen hundred members, each of whom has equal rights.

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Appalling spelling this morning!

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