HSS Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, antrin said: Ah. Now, that’s better. The added “would have” is the necessary concession that you don’t know. You simply don’t. You could have saved yourself that correction/qualification if you had just been honest and accurate in the first place. you are learning. You may get there... If I was Bazil I’d be telling you to go stick your opinion up yer............... elbow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted October 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 Astounding the statement from wee Nicky re care homes. There's not much doubt there were people sent to care homes with the virus, tragic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, antrin said: Ah. Now, that’s better. The added “would have” is the necessary concession that you don’t know. You simply don’t. You could have saved yourself that correction/qualification if you had just been honest and accurate in the first place. you are learning. You may get there... I do know, the lockdown saved lives. The comparison I think I made at the time was, if someone told me they just rolled a dice 100,000 times I would "know" that some of those dice rolls were a six. You can be as pedantic as you want over it (for example, say spending months obsessing over it having to bring it up time and time again on BAWA), it would be perfectly reasonable to make that comment as a statement of fact. The poster in question is very well known for using the trivial to try and cause arguments, it doesn't sit well with him when he's called out on that. Do yourself a favour and don't lower yourself to that standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 2 hours ago, faraway saint said: I'm fairly sure you have tried to inform him of this before, like so many subjects it seems to go over his head, or in one ear and out the other. You choose. No I get the point he is trying to make (I always have), my point is it's pedantic, trivial and doesn't add to any debate. The person that originated this point is famous for it on here. Lockdown saved lives. Speaking of which, looks like France are going back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted October 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, bazil85 said: No I get the point he is trying to make (I always have), my point is it's pedantic, trivial and doesn't add to any debate. The person that originated this point is famous for it on here. Lockdown saved lives. Speaking of which, looks like France are going back in. New Zealand isn't.........................I like this game, like Pointless without the duff prize money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 minute ago, faraway saint said: New Zealand isn't.........................I like this game, like Pointless without the duff prize money. About 90% of comments on this thread could fall under that category TBF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted October 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, bazil85 said: About 90% of comments on this thread could fall under that category TBF. Have you really made 90% of posts on this thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Have you really made 90% of posts on this thread? Great banter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 50 minutes ago, bazil85 said: I do know, the lockdown saved lives. The comparison I think I made at the time was, if someone told me they just rolled a dice 100,000 times I would "know" that some of those dice rolls were a six. You can be as pedantic as you want over it (for example, say spending months obsessing over it having to bring it up time and time again on BAWA), it would be perfectly reasonable to make that comment as a statement of fact. The poster in question is very well known for using the trivial to try and cause arguments, it doesn't sit well with him when he's called out on that. Do yourself a favour and don't lower yourself to that standard. Aye. OK. Omnipotent. You already know what all research MIGHT eventually provide - at some time - for us to perhaps KNOW what has happened. Well done you, Reality (in your mind) = trivial. Discussion with you - is - pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, antrin said: Aye. OK. Omnipotent. You already know what all research MIGHT eventually provide - at some time - for us to perhaps KNOW what has happened. Well done you, Reality (in your mind) = trivial. Discussion with you - is - pointless. It's a testament to Slarti really, that even after all this time, this pedantic, trivial point just won't die. I suppose he does bring it up often enough to keep it alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 Aye. OK. Omnipotent. You already know what all research MIGHT eventually provide - at some time - for us to perhaps KNOW what has happened. Well done you, [emoji4] Reality (in your mind) = trivial. Discussion with you - is - pointless.Why do you think he put "know" in ""? Is it because he realises that he doesn't know? He's accusing Faraway of exactly the same thing that he is denying doing.I must admit, I was wrong about something, there actually is someone who IS that lacking in self-awareness. I stand corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenziebud Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 Interesting article here and these are just the one's they know about. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8889675/Police-Scotland-broke-3-000-illegal-parties-two-months-ban.html Imagine being a front line NHS worker and reading this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 4 hours ago, antrin said: We can't yet KNOW that lockdown saved lives. Too soon to be THAT sure. the drop in deaths may be down to how the virus lives its life. or due to the fact (in the northern hemisphere) that Summer arrived and fewer people were contained indoors, in enclosed spaces. or... a host of other reasons. Nobody knows yet. except you. To deploy YOUR go-to evasive tactic.... ...how about you provide us with solid EVIDENCE that Lockdown saved lives? To be fair to Bazil, he makes about as much sense as Whitty or Vallance with his wide, sweeping statements and no evidence to back them up. He'll be along with a graph in a minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted October 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 14 hours ago, faraway saint said: Police Scotland broke up about 300 house parties last month. That's just the ones they knew about. Aye, compliance by the majority but it only takes an ever growing minority to feck it up for us all. 7 minutes ago, lenziebud said: Interesting article here and these are just the one's they know about. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8889675/Police-Scotland-broke-3-000-illegal-parties-two-months-ban.html Imagine being a front line NHS worker and reading this ? Interesting. It's ok, it's all the governments fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted October 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Hendo said: To be fair to Bazil, he makes about as much sense as Whitty or Vallance with his wide, sweeping statements and no evidence to back them up. He'll be along with a graph in a minute. Graphs are good, it's understanding what they give you that shows what you're made of, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenziebud Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 35 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Interesting. It's ok, it's all the governments fault. Well if you play politics then its all the governments fault. They have made a number of mistakes but the issues are much deeper than just government whatever colour. Science hasn't played a blinder either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Hendo said: To be fair to Bazil, he makes about as much sense as Whitty or Vallance with his wide, sweeping statements and no evidence to back them up. He'll be along with a graph in a minute. I don't present anything as "fact" that we don't already know. For example I doubt there is a single person here that in all honesty would claim they believe lockdown didn't save even a single persons life in the UK. Maybe Andy but he's seemingly vanished. If people want to get tied down in the pedantic trivial nature of challenging that fine, I refused to pander to the OP on that attempt and I will continue to refuse to do the same with anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Slarti said: It's not. There is "a view", it's his. Doesn't mean it's right but it is a view. I was attacking his method of dismissive argument rather than the principle of whether the lockdown did work or not. I'm now leaning towards it not having worked but who fecking knows (apart from Bazil the Great of course). Given that we've spent £200 billion and inadvertently killed countless cancer, diabete, care home and heart disease patients by locking down the country and most of the NHS, I'd say that being in a position to know rather than suspect that the lockdown worked was a lot more than just being pedantic. Edited October 29, 2020 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Hendo said: To be fair to Bazil, he makes about as much sense as Whitty or Vallance with his wide, sweeping statements and no evidence to back them up. He'll be along with a graph in a minute. Hang on. That's my job. I won't tolerate competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 8 hours ago, bazil85 said: Stop messaging me then. Well stop posting u boring bas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portmahomack saint Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 7 hours ago, faraway saint said: Astounding the statement from wee Nicky re care homes. There's not much doubt there were people sent to care homes with the virus, tragic. Care homes all over the world were hit by the virus you plonker, in Sweden alone over 80% of covid deaths were of people in care, The virus didn't just get in via the Hospital Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted October 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 3 hours ago, portmahomack saint said: Care homes all over the world were hit by the virus you plonker, in Sweden alone over 80% of covid deaths were of people in care, The virus didn't just get in via the Hospital Did I say it did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted October 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 17 hours ago, oaksoft said: It can't just be that for two reasons. 1) This second wave of infections is happening across the world. 2) This second wave is bigger in terms of infections than the first wave when everyone was mingling with each other. Now only a fraction of the population are doing that. Somehow the virus has spread somewhere and has re-emerged. IMO it's been hiding on all manner of surfaces. 1) Not EVERY country has seen the same disastrous number we are seeing. 2) The TESTING is showing the numbers are much bigger. That pesky virus, been hiding under the stairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 19 hours ago, oaksoft said: It can't just be that for two reasons. 1) This second wave of infections is happening across the world. 2) This second wave is bigger in terms of infections than the first wave when everyone was mingling with each other. Now only a fraction of the population are doing that. Somehow the virus has spread somewhere and has re-emerged. IMO it's been hiding on all manner of surfaces. Interesting article in The Grauniad by a scientist in that field. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/28/understanding-aerosol-transmission-key-controlling-coronavirus-wash-hands He seems more convinced by the aerosols (which may ultimately contaminate surfaces) route of transmission. i particularly like how he consistently qualifies and equivocates his assertions, ideas and suggestions by the admission that currently he can have no certitude. He has a lot of knowledge with credible theories arising therefrom, but he won’t reject criticism and adverse comment cos he disnae really know yet... good guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 10 hours ago, oaksoft said: I was attacking his method of dismissive argument rather than the principle of whether the lockdown did work or not. I'm now leaning towards it not having worked but who fecking knows (apart from Bazil the Great of course). Given that we've spent £200 billion and inadvertently killed countless cancer, diabete, care home and heart disease patients by locking down the country and most of the NHS, I'd say that being in a position to know rather than suspect that the lockdown worked was a lot more than just being pedantic. Yeah, but a certain person's opinion is fact, or so they've admitted believing. It's all irrelevant anyway, at least for those who believe that you can choose to believe something. They can just choose to believe that there have been no deaths at all, from anything, and carry on as normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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