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wow, your pettiness is reaching new levels of desperation.

Actually, I really think your just div making sure the site gets traffic

Your first sentence is highly ironic.

Your second sentence is borne out of your anger that Stuart pisses all over you in debate.

Tony ' water sports' Soprano! :lol:

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Happy election day for tomorrow to all Buddies and their families. Have a good one. Hope your X on the ballot paper is everything you hoped it would be. Enjoy your turkey and all the trimmings later, Top of the Pops special on the telly, and a few shandies to boot.

Yo ho ho!

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Wow, really.

My first post regarded inflation to date.

Inflation isn't only the RPI.

My second post went from 2010 to 2014 - not to date.

It's possible that one of they figures used the calendar year while the other used the tax year.

Blah, blah, blah ... Lots of other shit.

The figures show that although average wages went up, in real terms it was worth less than it was in 2010.

They also show that although government spending went up, in real terms it went down.

So the money we have buys less and the government spends less of our money on us - in real terms.

It's quite simple really, a bit like yourself.

I don't have a laptop. Two servers and five PCs, but no laptop. I have no need for one and if I did, I would just take one from work.

The Bank of England are a bit of an authority on the economy, aren't they. They are the experts on inflation and they are politically neutral as we all know. They've got a lovely inflation calculator on their website which will happily show you that something that cost £1 in 2010 would today cost you £1.14. It couldn't be simpler than that. 14% not 19% as you've ridiculously claimed.

Now you've also gone on to admit that "government spending went up" - that's the point I was making. It's quite clear it's gone up and it's gone up fairly dramatically despite the fact that we all know that the last Labour Government was pissing money away in public services. The fact that the SNP and Labour think that increasing spending somehow represents "austerity" just goes to prove that neither of them should ever be trusted with our taxes and it perhaps highlights why Labour's last administration under Gordon Brown got it's finances so horrifically wrong.

I've got to say though I'm fairly shocked that with two servers and five PC's you couldn't find the correct figures on the internet. Is that perhaps an indication that you only use your IT equipment to surf porn and to post on B&W Army?

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Your second sentence is borne out of your anger that Stuart pisses all over you in debate.

The only thing that fatty pisses over is the adult size nappy he wears, so that he doesn't have to leave his computer, thus allowing him more time to fabricate his tales of fantasy and prove to us all that he possesses a stunning inability to master basic arithmetic.

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From the BoE inflation calculator page.

The Bank's Inflation Calculator shows how the cost of goods and services changes over time as prices change. You can check the effect of price changes over any period from 1750 to 2013.

How did you manage to get details of inflation to date from a site that only goes up to 2013?

Now, whose is the ridiculous claim?

More proof you can't use a PC.

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/education/Pages/resources/inflationtools/calculator/flash/default.aspx

The calculator will give you figures up to 2014 - the most recent figures that are available. Ofcourse we also know that the most recent annual inflation figure was from March 2015 - and it was 0%. Here's the link - just to save you from searching.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32298416

Edited to add - actually if you read the article it will tell you that we didn't actually have inflation in the year to March 2015 - instead we had deflation at a rate of 0.01%. I've no idea where you got your 19% figure from - but I'm guessing it was from the same kind of source that the SNP used to make their pre referendum prediction of oil prices :rolleyes:

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Now back to my point on austerity.

In my house when I want to make cuts to the household budget I'll look at things like how I can make my weekly shopping cheaper. It may involve buying the kids one less bar of chocolate per week, or not buying myself that new bottle of malt every month or so. That's austerity as we all understand it.

Austerity is not going out an buying an extra bar of chocolate and buying an extra malt every three weeks instead and then claiming that actually in real terms we're all suffering and we're worse off rolleyes.gif

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What case is that? Your link takes me to the same version of the calculator that I linked to which has figures up to 2014. Please don't tell me you are quoting an out of date page on the website without actually using the calculator :rolleyes:

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The calculator doesn't show on the phone. The page does, which states it only goes to 2013. You're the one bumming up the BoE and now you say that they don't even know what years their info covers - doesn't look good for their reliability, does it?

But, just for your info:-

4.6% - 2010

5.2% - 2011

3.2% - 2012

3.0% - 2013

2.4% - 2014

Gives a compound interest of 19.77%.

Just saying, like.

Oh dear. First off we're not talking about interest, we're talking about inflation, however that's just semantics. You're biggest and far more embarrassing mistake comes from the fact that in your calculation you have included a years inflation figures which are for the period April 2009 - April 2010. The coalition didn't take office until the 11th of May 2010.

If you use the relevant figures instead of your incorrect ones then you'll find that the actual compound figure is 14.50% - the figure I've been telling you all along - and that's before you take into account the deflationary figure of 0.01% for March 2014 - 2015.

You can admit you were wrong and I was right any time you like, however just know that I was right. Despite that though it's irrelevant. As I've said the term "austerity" implies that you are having to give up stuff to save a bit of money. We've both since agreed that the Coalition government hasn't made any cuts at all. Spending just keeps on increasing, it's just that George Osbourne and Danny Alexander have become very good at telling us they've followed a programme of cuts when they haven't. That fact that Labour and the SNP are pledging to end the austerity that doesn't exist by running up massive bills on the credit card shows they should never be trusted with taxpayers money. Indeed the SNP are so bad with figures they can't even control their spending when given an allowance from Westminster to spend and they've already asked for and got subs from future payments. I guess Swinney must be following the Craig Whyte principle to economics. Thank f**k Swinney will never be in control of the UK public purse, he's got all he grasp of economics that you have. rolleyes.gif

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Let's hope that Scotland can do us proud and give Westminster a sting in the tail post referendum.

The demonising didn't work it actually backfired.

Who demonised Scotland?

This is a really weird statement IMO. Ruth Davidson hit the nail on the head a few days ago when she pointed out that regardless of which party Scots voted for today there would still be 59 Scottish MP's in the House of Commons, all fighting for their constituency. No-one has "demonised" Scotland - if anything every one of the party leaders have tried to woo the Scots during this campaign.

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Ruth Davidson hit the nail on the head a few days ago when she pointed out that regardless of which party Scots voted for today there would still be 59 Scottish MP's in the House of Commons, all fighting for their constituency.

That'll make a nice change.

She's right though. There will be 59 of them representing Scotland.

What she failed to admit was that almost all of them will be sporting the yellow of the SNP.

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That'll make a nice change.

She's right though. There will be 59 of them representing Scotland.

What she failed to admit was that almost all of them will be sporting the yellow of the SNP.

They may well be Oaksoft, but the point she was making is that this isn't some kind of Scotland v England football match, no matter how much the SNP would like to portray it that way. On your ballot paper today will be a list of would be, careerist politicians. Some of the people on that ballot paper list may well have it within them to be very capable at the job, putting constituent matters above their own and their party if necessary. And some of them will be happy to pick up their £67.060 per annum plus massive amounts of expenses whilst ignoring their constituency following a single minded pursuit in ensuring their party whips like them. Some will understand the issues. Some, like Startibartfast on here will think that governments should be held responsible for inflation rates the year before they were elected, and will think that the National Debt is funded exclusively through Premium Bond sales. And some, like Mhairi Black won't have a clue about f**k all and will follow the Eric Joyce model in politics by embarrassing her constituents with one violence fuelled scandal after another.

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Yes, I wrote interest instead of inflation, that was a mistake. I wasn't actually talking about interest, though, I was talking about inflation.

I think you'll find that I specifically said that it was inflation rates from 2010, not inflation rates since this government took power. I did this because the lists of inflation figures are only given per year, not specifically listed as per tax year or per calendar year, that I could see. I've already stated that some of the figures could be using one or the other "year". If you are unable to read and understand posts then you really shouldn't be replying to them. I'm not entirely sure you are correct anyway, as one of the things I read said that inflation hit 5.2% in December 2011, which matches the figure I used and since I got all the figures from the same place, I would assume that they are all talking about year ends. I could be wrong but, if I am, I'll just recalculate the amount, not really an issue.

When we both apparently " agree" that there have been no cuts, we are actually talking about two different things. You are talking about absolute amounts while I am talking about amounts adjusted for inflation, you know, in real terms. Of course, you know that and are just trying to obfuscate the issue.

As you like to work in absolute figures, here's one for you. The "collective debt" (or running debt or however you want to put it) built up by 300 odd years of UK governments was £800Bn, in just 5 years this government has managed to add the same amount again. Doesn't look like prudent financial management, does it?

You're all over the place. You criticise the rate the UK Labour Government accumulated debt yet you advocate voting for a party that says it's going to spend more! In the past you've laughed at the UK Labour Government wasting money on aircraft carriers, yet here you argue we should have continued to waste money by inflation proofing the level we waste it at. You laugh at UKIP and call them anti Scottish for wanting to scrap the Barnett Formula bit you support the SNPs attempt to scrap the Barnett Formula to replace it with Full Fiscal Autonomy - UKIPs policy - at a cost to Scotland of £7.6 Bn.

I've no idea why anyone who cares about the economy would go anywhere near voting for the SNP. I can't think of a single group of people more economically retarded.

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They may well be Oaksoft, but the point she was making is that this isn't some kind of Scotland v England football match

Quite right. She should tell Boris Johnson and the English Tory group that.

Not sure why she's patronising Scots by telling us that.

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