rea Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 How do you work out that we, the support, put in over £3million per year?? That is roughly the Turnover of the Club, though that is not the same as "what the support put in" if you consider the direct inputs like Ticket, merchandise and Hospitality is "what the fans put in". you then have TV, and SPFL money, Kit and advertising, which while you can argue its eventual source, e.g Sky Subs is Fans...although away fans also buy this, i dont think it is correct to equate the total TO of the Club with being the figure of what the Support Put in, but it is obviously still the most significant source of income Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted May 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Like i said we put in £3million a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeBud Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Like i said we put in £3million a year. Go on, tell me how?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted May 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Go on, tell me how?? Well let me explain for the hard of thinking, if you buy a ticket, a shirt, a pie then that is money that goes directly to the club. You then have to add all those pies etc up to come to a total each season. Is that easy enough for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Lord Pityme having another nightmare here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rea Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Well let me explain for the hard of thinking, if you buy a ticket, a shirt, a pie then that is money that goes directly to the club. You then have to add all those pies etc up to come to a total each season. Is that easy enough for you? If only that is how accounting worked. the Turnover of St Mirren last accounts was £3.1m a good proportion of that income is not direct transaction income from St Mirren fans....... ....for example....away fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted May 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 If only that is how accounting worked. the Turnover of St Mirren last accounts was £3.1m a good proportion of that income is not direct transaction income from St Mirren fans....... ....for example....away fans This makes me laugh, you really think these hairs are worth splitting just to find something to disagree with me over? Yeah the club rakes in 99p from Ross County fans every season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Like i said we put in £3million a year. Not really, as REA has pointed out above. What you have done is buy 'product': a purchase of the football club's product. You offer money (perhaps your £3m) for the services of a football team, for pies, Bovril, hats, scarves etc. You don't put it in, you don't invest in the infrastructure or the long term existence of the club directly... which is what the BoD have done and continue to do. Not to mention their time, mental energy and worry..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Not really, as REA has pointed out above. What you have done is buy 'product': a purchase of the football club's product. You offer money (perhaps your £3m) for the services of a football team, for pies, Bovril, hats, scarves etc. You don't put it in, you don't invest in the infrastructure or the long term existence of the club directly... which is what the BoD have done and continue to do. Not to mention their time, mental energy and worry..... So...........if the Fans stopped putting in the £3m the Club would continue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted May 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 So...........if the Fans stopped putting in the £3m the Club would continue? This! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted May 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Not really, as REA has pointed out above. What you have done is buy 'product': a purchase of the football club's product. You offer money (perhaps your £3m) for the services of a football team, for pies, Bovril, hats, scarves etc. You don't put it in, you don't invest in the infrastructure or the long term existence of the club directly... which is what the BoD have done and continue to do. Not to mention their time, mental energy and worry..... Correct me if i am wrong but don't the board get the loans they make repaid, and can (hypothetically) sell their shares? They don't at the end of the cycle actually put any money into the club. But the fans do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 So...........if the Fans stopped putting in the £3m the Club would continue? Not at all. But the point is that fans are actually buying something (there can be dispute about the value received - ask shull), getting something tangible in immediate return. They are not investing in the club directly. It's a commercial transaction that does benefit the club, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rea Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 This makes me laugh, you really think these hairs are worth splitting just to find something to disagree with me over? Yeah the club rakes in 99p from Ross County fans every season. Disagreement implies two positions which can both be "correct" depending So...........if the Fans stopped putting in the £3m the Club would continue? The Fans put in a significant proportion of the Turnover of the Club each year but an near equal amount of revenue is not directly attributable to a direct sale to a St Mirren Fan. All the SPFL money from a central contract Away gate sales Advertising (a proportion of advertisers are not St Mirren Fans) JD Sports and Shirt advertising UEFA solidarity payment, which comes directly as a result of other teams success or lack thereof in European competitions. property rentals 50:50 Cup receipts which if game is v a larger supported Club means SMFC benefit from other Clubs fan sales ...and as has been demonstrated this season.....player sales....not sure you could count the Aberdeen Board as St Mirren Fans. Of course a Club cannot thrive without an engaged Fan base, but as one or two SPFL Clubs ably demonstrate you can more than survive from the income these other sources demonstrate while having a small or board hostile fan base Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted May 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Not at all. But the point is that fans are actually buying something (there can be dispute about the value received - ask shull), getting something tangible in immediate return. They are not investing in the club directly. It's a commercial transaction that does benefit the club, of course. Keep digging, ha, ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted May 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Disagreement implies two positions which can both be "correct" depending The Fans put in a significant proportion of the Turnover of the Club each year but an near equal amount of revenue is not directly attributable to a direct sale to a St Mirren Fan. All the SPFL money from a central contract Away gate sales Advertising (a proportion of advertisers are not St Mirren Fans) JD Sports and Shirt advertising UEFA solidarity payment, which comes directly as a result of other teams success or lack thereof in European competitions. property rentals 50:50 Cup receipts which if game is v a larger supported Club means SMFC benefit from other Clubs fan sales ...and as has been demonstrated this season.....player sales....not sure you could count the Aberdeen Board as St Mirren Fans. Of course a Club cannot thrive without an engaged Fan base, but as one or two SPFL Clubs ably demonstrate you can more than survive from the income these other sources demonstrate while having a small or board hostile fan base So now we are a 'Hostile' fan base..? That approach will serve you well with Supporters Direct. Ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Correct me if i am wrong but don't the board get the loans they make repaid, and can (hypothetically) sell their shares? They don't at the end of the cycle actually put any money into the club. But the fans do! Far be it for me to proffer support to fat cat capitalists who exploit people for their selfish aims - but those don't seem to be the Buddies' BoD. They have put money in when there seemed little sign of return. You can query how much they get in return but currently there is no one to take that role. They are putting their monies where their mouths are. I don't think any of them can live like a euromillionaire on their ill-gotten proceeds from St Mirren... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rea Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) So now we are a 'Hostile' fan base..? That approach will serve you well with Supporters Direct. Ffs i am talking about other Clubs ..."one or two other Clubs"...do keep up....and it is hostile to the board that runs the Club...again not St Mirren. surely you can think of a couple of Clubs, one of which has benefited from big not fan incomes but with a small fan base and another which has similarly benefited recently while its supporters trust has been critical of the board? Edited May 11, 2015 by rea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted May 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Far be it for me to proffer support to fat cat capitalists who exploit people for their selfish aims - but those don't seem to be the Buddies' BoD. They have put money in when there seemed little sign of return. You can query how much they get in return but currently there is no one to take that role. They are putting their monies where their mouths are. I don't think any of them can live like a euromillionaire on their ill-gotten proceeds from St Mirren... I accept your apology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldorf34 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 With all this extra cash ,including compensation from John McGinnis, I predict SG will not be going anywhere soon and money will be used for exclusive club and boxes in the void. Meanwhile you guys in the west stand will still get wet ,but at least your pies will be warm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 So...........if the Fans stopped putting in the £3m the Club would continue? Yes, if costs are cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 I accept your apology I knew that if I explained it in wee easy words that you'd understand and try to wriggle out of your untenable assertion. Here to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E=Mc2 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Well let me explain for the hard of thinking, if you buy a ticket, a shirt, a pie then that is money that goes directly to the club. You then have to add all those pies etc up to come to a total each season. Is that easy enough for you? Do you not have to deduct the cost of purchasing the pies? Or are the pies free to club? If there are free pies going, I'm in. If we could get three thousand St. Mirren supporters to give a grand each that would be three million pounds. Simples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 Do you not have to deduct the cost of purchasing the pies? Or are the pies free to club? If there are free pies going, I'm in. If we could get three thousand St. Mirren supporters to give a grand each that would be three million pounds. Simples. Need to get behind shull in the queue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 Do you not have to deduct the cost of purchasing the pies? Or are the pies free to club? If there are free pies going, I'm in. If we could get three thousand St. Mirren supporters to give a grand each that would be three million pounds. Simples. Would need a bigger boardroom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 I would still like the Main Stand at Greenhill Road to be named after our Chairman. . I would like the stadium at Greenhill Rd to be named after Stewart Gilmour. Then I would like it to be demolished. Then I would like us to move to Love Street, with a new Chairman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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