Guest TPAFKATS Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 If you continually post about how dicko can't count or do his sums, why even bother arguing with him when he posts his monetary digging 'facts' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Agree 100% We should close the one we didn`t vote in & can`t vote out. Why don't we close both? I'd be perfectly happy to see fewer politicians being kept by the taxpayer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 If you continually post about how dicko can't count or do his sums, why even bother arguing with him when he posts his monetary digging 'facts' I stopped ages ago. I prefer just to point and laugh at his glaring deficiencies in relation to both literacy and numeracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 I'll argue and vote for what I believe in - Independence for Scotland.. The current setup of the UK favours about 40-50% of Middle England at the expense of the rest of the country and I don't think that this is going to change - I wan't independence for Scotland and to live in a country with a left of centre agenda and if that means a rise in taxation to pay for the sort of services that make the quality of life better for the majority of people then so be it. What a bizarre position to take. For months now we've had to read about Nationalists and Socialists spending over and over again the money saved from not replacing Trident. Now I can accept that parties with different political ideologies will see some projects as wasteful whilst others won't. What I can't understand though is the left wing argument that when you see wasteful government spending, you believe that the best thing to do is increase taxes to allow the government to spend even more. I strongly believe that I can spend my money far more efficiently and effectively than any politician of any hue, and I believe that the majority of UK citizens believe that they can too. I must be right as well since the Conservatives have indeed won the majority of seats in the UK Parliament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted May 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 What a bizarre position to take. For months now we've had to read about Nationalists and Socialists spending over and over again the money saved from not replacing Trident. Now I can accept that parties with different political ideologies will see some projects as wasteful whilst others won't. What I can't understand though is the left wing argument that when you see wasteful government spending, you believe that the best thing to do is increase taxes to allow the government to spend even more. I strongly believe that I can spend my money far more efficiently and effectively than any politician of any hue, and I believe that the majority of UK citizens believe that they can too. I must be right as well since the Conservatives have indeed won the majority of seats in the UK Parliament. Granted, the Conservatives won the majority of seats in the UK Parliament but they didn't do this by having the majority of UK citizens voting for them - that was down to the first past the post electoral system. Another flawed analysis from you, again I ask myself the question - is this due to mischief or stupidity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Granted, the Conservatives won the majority of seats in the UK Parliament but they didn't do this by having the majority of UK citizens voting for them - that was down to the first past the post electoral system. Another flawed analysis from you, again I ask myself the question - is this due to mischief or stupidity? Choosing not to answer the point made though I notice. Why would you argue on one hand that the government wastes money, and then on the other argue that you'd be happy to pay more tax? There's nothing more stupid that a Nationalist Socialist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Bundy Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Choosing not to answer the point made though I notice. Why would you argue on one hand that the government wastes money, and then on the other argue that you'd be happy to pay more tax? There's nothing more stupid that a Nationalist Socialist. It's gonnae happen sooner than you think Pishy ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltcoatsbuddie Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Granted, the Conservatives won the majority of seats in the UK Parliament but they didn't do this by having the majority of UK citizens voting for them - that was down to the first past the post electoral system. Another flawed analysis from you, again I ask myself the question - is this due to mischief or stupidity? think the snp won 50% of the Scottish vote which means they don't actually have the majority of people in this country voting for them but they get to represent everybody ,think that also is called first past the post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) think the snp won 50% of the Scottish vote which means they don't actually have the majority of people in this country voting for them but they get to represent everybody People who don't vote don't have the right to have their numbers included. The SNP won over 50% of those who voted. That's the only relevant statistic. What percentage of votes did the Tories get out of those who voted? I'll bet it was nowhere close to 50%. Edited May 18, 2015 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted May 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) Choosing not to answer the point made though I notice. Why would you argue on one hand that the government wastes money, and then on the other argue that you'd be happy to pay more tax? There's nothing more stupid that a Nationalist Socialist. I'll argue and vote for what I believe in - Independence for Scotland.. The current setup of the UK favours about 40-50% of Middle England at the expense of the rest of the country and I don't think that this is going to change - I wan't independence for Scotland and to live in a country with a left of centre agenda and if that means a rise in taxation to pay for the sort of services that make the quality of life better for the majority of people then so be it. Whereabouts in this post do I argue the Government wastes money? ****************** What a bizarre position to take. For months now we've had to read about Nationalists and Socialists spending over and over again the money saved from not replacing Trident. Now I can accept that parties with different political ideologies will see some projects as wasteful whilst others won't. What I can't understand though is the left wing argument that when you see wasteful government spending, you believe that the best thing to do is increase taxes to allow the government to spend even more. I strongly believe that I can spend my money far more efficiently and effectively than any politician of any hue, and I believe that the majority of UK citizens believe that they can too. I must be right as well since the Conservatives have indeed won the majority of seats in the UK Parliament. Granted, the Conservatives won the majority of seats in the UK Parliament but they didn't do this by having the majority of UK citizens voting for them - that was down to the first past the post electoral system. Another flawed analysis from you, again I ask myself the question - is this due to mischief or stupidity? What bizarre position?You quote his post, say that, and then go on to talk about stuff he never mentioned.I know which of those two posts I would regard as bizarre. Choosing not to answer the point made though I notice. Why would you argue on one hand that the government wastes money, and then on the other argue that you'd be happy to pay more tax? There's nothing more stupid that a Nationalist Socialist. As Slarti pointed out your reply was completely irrelevant, I chose to highlight your non sequitur regarding votes cast and seats won in the recent General Election and asked why this might be. As for your NS jibe it's tired, marks you out as a pariah (even amongst the people you claim to support) and reveals little more than you have a weak argument. The prizes for inability to follow what was actually said & stupidity go to, erm, you............ Edited May 18, 2015 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted May 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 think the snp won 50% of the Scottish vote which means they don't actually have the majority of people in this country voting for them but they get to represent everybody ,think that also is called first past the post Yeah, but since I am not an advocate of the first past the post system so what? My point was that in you don't need a majority of the votes cast to win a majority of seats in the current Westminster setup - I'd be quite happy to see a some form of PR replace the current system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I strongly believe that I can spend my money far more efficiently and effectively than any politician of any hue, and I believe that the majority of UK citizens believe that they can too. Without politicians we have no government. Without government we have no roads or hospitals or electricity supply or fuel or car industry or internet or regulation of any kind or international agreements or international trade or a vast array of other things which you've certainly never heard of but which are vital for our way of life. That's not a life I'd personally fancy and I certainly wouldn't want to be dependent on people like you having to work out how to provide the right sort of economic climate for major projects like defence and our road network to work properly. For someone who clearly thinks everyone else is an idiot, your system would require you to place a lot of unquestioning faith in a lot of other people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E=Mc2 Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 It's part of the response to the backsliding of the "Better Together" (sic) parties which started at about 7:30am on the 19th September but it also highlights the problems faced by areas of England too far away from London to share the benefits of this country's lopsided economy. We'll take Cornwall too.................... Cornwall? And who pays every time the tide comes in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Even the coos are trying to get to Scotland. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cow-shot-dead-by-armed-police-after-threehour-chase-through-fields-near-newcastle-10258039.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 my ex wife can get to f**k Is that not what she did to become your ex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosferatu Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Back on topic, the more the merrier - as long as most of them believe in putting the wellbeing of society before the wealth of the individual. What if they believe that the best way to improve the wellbeing of society is the creation of wealth by the individual? Not everything can be solved by issuing premium bonds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) What if they believe that the best way to improve the wellbeing of society is the creation of wealth by the individual? Not everything can be solved by issuing premium bonds! : Really? A ROFL? See when you were growing up, did you have friends? I ask because if you HAD friends and cracked the same joke 27 times and rolled around the floor laughing at each one I'm pretty sure they'd have said something. Those of us who enjoy the odd bit of human contact know that even the best joke isn't funny after you've cracked it twice. You seem to be struggling with that concept. Edited May 20, 2015 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Really? A ROFL? See when you were growing up, did you have friends? I ask because if you HAD friends and cracked the same joke 27 times and rolled around the floor laughing at each one I'm pretty sure they'd have said something. Those of us who enjoy the odd bit of human contact know that even the best joke isn't funny after you've cracked it twice. You seem to be struggling with that concept. I would suggest he was ensuring people knew it was meant to be funny. Without the indication I, for one, wouldn't have known I was meant to laugh.. I suppose we all can't be funny! Ooops. I mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 I would suggest he was ensuring people knew it was meant to be funny. Without the indication I, for one, wouldn't have known I was meant to laugh.. I suppose we all can't be funny! Ooops. I mean So he's employing the forums version of canned laughter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proudtobeabuddy Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 So he's employing the forums version of canned laughter? LMFAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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