saintnextlifetime Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 The first day of summer, will this result in dicko making an honest post? Have you been drinking . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) I don't recall her saying her red line policy was full fiscal autonomy. I do recall her being "forced" (maybe cajoled, or inveigled, would be a better word) into hinting that Trident was. The Tories said before the election that, if they were in power, Scotland wouldn't get full fiscal autonomy. You wouldn't want them to go back on their promises now, would you? The next 5 years are going to be the most important in the history of this Union and, personally, I can't see how this Tory government are going to be able to do anything to stop it breaking up, no matter how they play it. If they stick to their policies they are going to push Scotland further away, if they don't stick to them they are going to be seen as a bunch of lying bastards who will say anything to get elected. All the SNP need to do is sit back and watch while making all the right noises. As I've already said, it's a win-win situation. It's nice to see that you can't handle it. Handle what? The fact that the party I supported won the General Election with an outright majority? Do you taunt Celtic fans by telling them they can't handle winning the league? The next five years will show the SNP up for what they are. I personally hope they win the Holyrood elections so that the Scottish people can continue to see the Scottish NHS deteriorate as it has done for the last 8 years, Scottish education deteriorate into complete shambles as it has done over the last 8 years, and I hope we get to see far more of SNP's creative and woefully optimistic accounting and more ill informed policies like "Full Fiscal Autonomy". I predict five years of SNP politicians expenses coming under close scrutiny at both Westminster and Holyrood. It's one thing to talk Socialist, it's another entirely when it's put into the context of all Salmonds £1,000 per night hotel stays and Presidential Limousine journeys to sporting venues all at the taxpayer expense. Scotland voted to remain in the Union. It's nice to see you still can't handle it. Edited June 2, 2015 by Stuart Dickson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Many of the people who are requesting taxpayers money be wasted on a by election in Orkney and Shetland do not live in Orkney and Shetland and therefore had no vote there in either the General Election or indeed any subsequent by election. It seems a bit strange that a party that likes to push forward an agenda of local democracy has so many supporters determined to dictate democratic terms to an group of islands that have long said they don't support Scottish Independence. However I'll play - lets drop Salmond and his lies for now and lets look at Sturgeon. She fought the General Election on a mandate of Full Fiscal Autonomy. She claimed it was vital for Scotland and that it was her red line policy to work with any Labour Government. Yet now in the latter stages of a negotiation process that will see more powers being devolved to Holyrood we find out that the SNP have dropped their demands for Full Fiscal Autonomy now that they have discovered it would leave Scotland with a £10Bn budget shortfall. Maybe we should give Scotland a chance to re run the General Election since Sturgeon so clearly lied. The SNP have NOT dropped demands for full fiscal autonomy. Edited June 2, 2015 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykey Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Parliamentary standards commission to launch an inquiry - Taxi for Carmichael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Parliamentary standards commission to launch an inquiry - Taxi for Carmichael Apparently , the police are involved too . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 And there we have it - the big difference between you and most people on here. You want people to suffer to prove your point. Although I obviously don't agree with your claims that things would get worse because of the SNP, you believe it and wish others to suffer - you're just a sad, despicable excuse for a human being. I believe that the Tory government will be bad for the majority of the people of the UK and so never, despite your claims, wanted them to win the GE (where's your proof of that, by the way?). I didn't want people to suffer to prove my point. You, on the other hand ... The fact that the Tories won a majority will probably hasten Scotland leaving the UK, but it wasn't my first choice way for it to happen. Just because I can see the "political benefits" of it, doesn't mean that I wish ill on others. You are wishing that people die and children don't get a good education just to point score - you're a prick of the highest order. Things will probably get worse but it will be due to Tory UK policies, not SNP Scottish ones. You'll no doubt be partying when people start to suffer. P.S. The referendum is over, why do you keep bringing it up? And I thought that (the now defunct) OF fans were bad winners, FFS. Get over it. The referendum is indeed over and we're still Better Together. People get the kind of government they vote for. If Scots are stupid enough to keep backing a woefully inept SNP government then of course they deserve what they get. Perhaps I should have said that I wish Scots would wake up to just how woefully inept the SNP government currently is prior to next years elections, but I think that's unlikely to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 The SNP have NOT dropped demands for full fiscal autonomy. Really? From the Scotsman Newspaper on Sunday http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/snp-postpones-ffa-push-in-battle-for-smith-plus-1-3788372 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) While we are on the subject of people being "cocks" what about Alex Salmond and his "eulogy" on Charles Kennedy where he claimed that Kennedy's heart was not in the Better Together campaign. Whether that statement is actually true or not - and as a proven principled politician I'd severely doubt Salmonds claim - it was neither the time or the place. Surely not even his biggest fans on this website would defend that kind of shite. Edited June 3, 2015 by Stuart Dickson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smcc Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 The referendum is indeed over and we're still Better Together. People get the kind of government they vote for. If Scots are stupid enough to keep backing a woefully inept SNP government then of course they deserve what they get. Perhaps I should have said that I wish Scots would wake up to just how woefully inept the SNP government currently is prior to next years elections, but I think that's unlikely to happen. Only 37% of UK voters voted for the Conservative party. How does this square with your assertion that people get the kind of government that they vote for? I suggest to you that this is not the case under the present electoral system. Given your posting history, I will be astonished if you admit that this is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 While we are on the subject of people being "cocks" what about Alex Salmond and his "eulogy" on Charles Kennedy where he claimed that Kennedy's heart was not in the Better Together campaign. Whether that statement is actually true or not - and as a proven principled politician I'd severely doubt Salmonds claim - it was neither the time or the place. Surely not even his biggest fans on this website would defend that kind of shite. Oh dear, this is low even by your standards. Do you know the story, have you posted this to be malicious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Oh dear, this is low even by your standards. Do you know the story, have you posted this to be malicious? I watched the interview live. Salmond couldn't have been more crass if he tried. Luckily for the SNP the BBC chose to run Nicola Sturgeons tribute in all the major programmes instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) I watched the interview live. Salmond couldn't have been more crass if he tried. Luckily for the SNP the BBC chose to run Nicola Sturgeons tribute in all the major programmes instead Salmond's entitled to his opinion, and I agree with him, Kennedy wasn't really on message during the independence referendum - what strikes me as being crass is people like yourself trying to make an issue of it. Edited June 4, 2015 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Salmond's entitled to his opinion, and I agree with him, Kennedy wasn't really on message during the independence referendum - what strikes me as being crass is people like yourself trying to make an issue of it. The point is that it was hardly the time or the place to attempt to score political points. Only Salmond would be crass enough to do that. I have no idea whether Kennedy supported Scottish independence or not. It wouldn't change my opinion of him one way or another. If only Salmond was as dignified and as principled as Kennedy he might not have such a tendency to look like a wank! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) The point is that it was hardly the time or the place to attempt to score political points. Only Salmond would be crass enough to do that. I have no idea whether Kennedy supported Scottish independence or not. It wouldn't change my opinion of him one way or another. If only Salmond was as dignified and as principled as Kennedy he might not have such a tendency to look like a wank! How can you discuss a politician's career without mentioning politics? Storm in a teacup by people (exemplified by yourself) looking to be offended. You haven't posted in the Kennedy Appreciation thread and your motive for introducing the topic into this thread is as obvious as it is distasteful. PS - Your choice of language is classy given the topic of the post and your attempt to occupy the moral high ground. Edited June 4, 2015 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 The point is that it was hardly the time or the place to attempt to score political points. Only Salmond and I would be crass enough to do that. Fify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 But why do you want people to die and children to be uneducated? Or, as it appears you dislike children as you don't want them educated, is it just children you want to die? Do you think that there will be too many uneducated children for the sweatshops? Do you want to kill babies!?! Feckin baby killer!!!! That kind of reasoning marks him put as an idealogical religious fundamentalist, now is that as bad as a nazi or even worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 How can you discuss a politician's career without mentioning politics? Storm in a teacup by people (exemplified by yourself) looking to be offended. You haven't posted in the Kennedy Appreciation thread and your motive for introducing the topic into this thread is as obvious as it is distasteful. PS - Your choice of language is classy given the topic of the post and your attempt to occupy the moral high ground. I deliberately did not put this in the Kennedy thread precisely because that would be as distasteful as what Salmond did in his eulogy to Kennedy. Salmond was out of order. I would have liked to have thought at least one Nationalist would have the decency to have seen that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 I deliberately did not put this in the Kennedy thread precisely because that would be as distasteful as what Salmond did in his eulogy to Kennedy. Salmond was out of order. I would have liked to have thought at least one Nationalist would have the decency to have seen that. Once again you don't understand what is being said - you didn't post in the Kennedy thread because you had nothing to say about the guy. You then post phoney outrage on this thread which is fooling no-one. Once again you "out" yourself as being crass, hypocritical and just plain nasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) So salmond answering an interviewer's question on Kennedy is distasteful and out of order? There is plenty of media content from indy ref where Kennedy disagrees with the strategy of better together. This does not mean that he was in favour of independence. Salmond didn't give a eulogy. Salmond and Kennedy were by all accounts quite friendly. Mibees if you continually post anti salmond shite you might once, by law of averages be right. We continue to wait... Hope this helps Edited June 4, 2015 by TPAFKATS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Really? From the Scotsman Newspaper on Sunday http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/snp-postpones-ffa-push-in-battle-for-smith-plus-1-3788372 The SNP have categorically NOT dropped demands for Full Fiscal Autonomy. That article describes them delaying it. Learn to critically evaluate information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 I take it by the responses I can see so far, that fatty is making a rip roaring James Hunt of himself yet again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 I take it by the responses I can see so far, that fatty is making a rip roaring James Hunt of himself yet again. It is often difficult to know what he is saying when one has him on ignore , which is good , but I think as far as making a James Hunt of himself is concerned , that is a given . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Once again you don't understand what is being said - you didn't post in the Kennedy thread because you had nothing to say about the guy. You then post phoney outrage on this thread which is fooling no-one. Once again you "out" yourself as being crass, hypocritical and just plain nasty. What a load of shite. I didn't comment on the Charles Kennedy thread simply because it's not something I do. I tend to stay off those condolence type threads because I don't feel the need to share my feelings on someone who has died with a bunch of football fans on a St Mirren website. From my memory there's only been two exceptions to that rule - one when old Tosh died, and the other when Margaret Thatcher died. It's hardly crass - it's just my way of showing respect. I can't believe that there is anyone with any sort of morality who could defend Alex Salmonds comments though. Kennedy was widely thought to be a man of principle. Yet Salmond, on the day Kennedy died, claimed that whilst he was a member of a party who wanted to remain in the union and despite Kennedy expressing his preference on several media outlets for Scotland to remain part of the union, Salmond believed it was appropriate to claim that Kennedy's heart wasn't in the "Better Together" campaign and to back up his claim that Kennedy failed to take to a principled stance to speak out for Independence he claimed that Kennedy's prediction as a political commentator that the referendum would be close is conclusive proof. No wonder Charles Kennedy's closest allies an friend are furious at Salmonds comments and no wonder they are speaking out about the crassness of Alex Salmond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 (edited) What a load of shite. That was as far as I read, you stroll through threads like these posting profanities and insults - you have no respect for anyone who opinion differs from yours and few people have any respect for you. Like I said above given that you're trying to claim the moral high ground - really classy! Edited June 5, 2015 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smcc Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 That was as far as I read, you stroll through threads like these posting profanities and insults - you have no respect for anyone who opinion differs from yours and few people have any respect for you. Like I said above given that you're trying to claim the moral high ground - really classy! Few people? Surely this is an overestimate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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