17/03/13 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 For the attn of 17/03/13: Former Premier League referee David Elleray said the referee's interpretation depends on whether the hand or arm is in an "unnatural" position at the point of contact. Referees often consult their assistants on decisions "Referees look at two specifics - did the hand or arm go towards the ball or in a manner which would block the ball, or is the hand in a position where it would not normally be?" Elleray told BBC Sport. "The challenging decisions are if the defending player spreads their arms to make themselves bigger. "If the ball hits the arm then the referee must decide whether this action was to deliberately block the ball or whether the player has raised their arms to protect themselves - especially if the ball is hit at speed." For the first bit , YES ,IT IS . For the second bit , why else was his arm there , certainly NOT to protect himself. Cameron was using all the experience he had to gain an advantage. Both bits, no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddies1877 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Ffs Colin Cameron is Mystic Meg shocker!! You guys actually think before the corner was took, he put his hand on the post so that he could handle the ball?! lol your logic is classAt corners and free kicks all players may aswell stand like star fish on the goal line won't be a pen just aslong as they don't plan to handball it before it's taken lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17/03/13 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 lol your logic is class At corners and free kicks all players may aswell stand like star fish on the goal line won't be a pen just aslong as they don't plan to handball it before it's taken lol No because now they will be deliberately doing it to cheat. Do u see now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17/03/13 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Can I ask all you Pierluigi Collinas, when isn't it a handball then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddies1877 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 No because now they will be deliberately doing it to cheat. Do u see now? oh right so they put there hands in the air deliberately just like Cameron put his hand on the post deliberately lol amazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17/03/13 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 oh right so they put there hands in the air deliberately just like Cameron put his hand on the post deliberately lol amazingCan u put that in English please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Can I ask all you Pierluigi Collinas, when isn't it a handball then? When a Celtic or Rangers player did it against a diddy outfit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17/03/13 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 When a Celtic or Rangers player did it against a diddy outfit.???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulysses Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 I'm bored now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 We dinnae need a Captain anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Both bits, no So you walk about with your arm outstretched at 90 degrees to your body ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17/03/13 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 We dinnae need a Captain anyway.Shull I have enough dafties to deal with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Can u put that in English please? Pot - Kettle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17/03/13 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 So you walk about with your arm outstretched at 90 degrees to your body ?? No but if I'm defending a corner at a post I would put my hand on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17/03/13 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Pot - Kettle.Prick- Dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 No but if I'm defending a corner at a post I would put my hand on it Which makes it in an unnatural position . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) Prick- Dick Ah , good old abuse . The last vestige of a beaten man. & fwiw , not even very good abuse. 2 out of 10. Must do better. Edited July 26, 2015 by Callum Gilhooley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17/03/13 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Check out the following explanation given by referees association as guidance for referees on "intent" and you should change your mind. Regarding handball they now ask the referee to consider the proximity of the potential offender to the person last playing the ball, the speed of the ball and importantly whether the offender's arms are in a natural or unnatural position. So the question of intent is now, did the offender deliberately place his arms in an unnatural position to increase the chances of the ball hitting him? If the answer to that is yes then it is correct to penalise that player even though it used to be argued that was ball to hand. Let's say it was unnatural, read 2nd sentence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Shull I have enough dafties to deal with Yir in top form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Marvellous Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Eh....forever Pish!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17/03/13 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Pish!!!So every time the ball hits a hand/arm, its a foul?? ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iTony Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 it wasn't deliberate does that make it ok? It depends where your mouth was when you said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_the_saint Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Can I ask all you Pierluigi Collinas, when isn't it a handball then?If the players hand wasn't in the position it was in, what would have happened.....that is what I would be thinking about if I was the ref. So if a player is covering his balls or face with his hand and the ball hits his hand it wouldn't be hand ball, because if his hand wasn't there, it would hit the player anyway. If a players hand is away from their body, it should always be considered from the view point that the player is trying to gain an unfair advantage - and the referee would need to be absolutely convinced that he wasn't not to award a foul. In other words, guilty until convinced innocent. What you are suggesting is to assume the players innocence unless absolutely convinced of his guilt. This would result in hardly any handballs given because you could always think of legitimate "reasons" why the players hand was in that position - for example that they are told to do it by coaches! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iTony Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Back on topic... Thommo is captain, and that won't change. He's prime captain material. I don't think he should be starting every game, however (it's just not fair on him if we have to rely on him all the time). Still, he's club captain and that's all there is to it. Excellent post, Ulysses and I admire your attempt to get the thread back on topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17/03/13 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 If the players hand wasn't in the position it was in, what would have happened.....that is what I would be thinking about if I was the ref. So if a player is covering his balls or face with his hand and the ball hits his hand it wouldn't be hand ball, because if his hand wasn't there, it would hit the player anyway. If a players hand is away from their body, it should always be considered from the view point that the player is trying to gain an unfair advantage - and the referee would need to be absolutely convinced that he wasn't not to award a foul. In other words, guilty until convinced innocent. What you are suggesting is to assume the players innocence unless absolutely convinced of his guilt. This would result in hardly any handballs given because you could always think of legitimate "reasons" why the players hand was in that position - for example that they are told to do it by coaches! 1st para- That not what the refs are told to look for2nd para- It doesn't matter where the ball is headed 3rd & 4th para- Its the other way round & in my opinion there is too many fouls given for handball in modern game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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