BuddieinEK Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 It's entirely normal to want your country to make its own decisions and be politically independent. Equally, it is entirely normal to be a passionate Scot but believe if the political system changed, the benefits and security of the Union are a benifit.Also equally, even if you don't, it is normal to resist change.Normal is not an acceptable substitute. Sorry![emoji12] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 Equally, it is entirely normal to be a passionate Scot but believe if the political system changed, the benefits and security of the Union are a benifit. Also equally, even if you don't, it is normal to resist change. Normal is not an acceptable substitute. Sorry![emoji12]We've been trying to change the UK political system by voting left of centre my entire adult lifetime (I'm in my 8th decade, you know), what has that got us, BiEK? An entire adult lifetime of Tory government, most of it blue, some of it red. But still Tory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 We've been trying to change the UK political system by voting left of centre my entire adult lifetime (I'm in my 8th decade, you know), what has that got us, BiEK? An entire adult lifetime of Tory government, most of it blue, some of it red. But still Tory. Not once during my lifetime have I felt that any vote was to change the UK political system... Just to vote in a different version of the same Londoncentric lunatics!Things have changed now.For example...There is a growndswell of oponion that the House of Lords is undemocratic and should be replaced.When has that ever been an issue before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 Not once during my lifetime have I felt that any vote was to change the UK political system... Just to vote in a different version of the same Londoncentric lunatics!Things have changed now.For example...There is a growndswell of oponion that the House of Lords is undemocratic and should be replaced.When has that ever been an issue before? I'm sure Labour will commit to abolishing it soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 Not once during my lifetime have I felt that any vote was to change the UK political system... Just to vote in a different version of the same Londoncentric lunatics!Things have changed now.For example...There is a growndswell of oponion that the House of Lords is undemocratic and should be replaced.When has that ever been an issue before? I get where you're coming from but that groundswell has been there since I first voted in a GE over 49 years ago. Still hasn't happened - and won't while there are Tories in government.Which of the major parties in WM has zero representation in the Lords because it believes the system is wrong so won't support it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 I get where you're coming from but that groundswell has been there since I first voted in a GE over 49 years ago. Still hasn't happened - and won't while there are Tories in government.Which of the major parties in WM has zero representation in the Lords because it believes the system is wrong so won't support it? I hear you.I agree.That's why I feel if the same passion that was put into independence in Scotland and anti immigration in England was focused on the thing that could truly unite and make a difference in what is essentially one small island with no natural borders, change could happen.The power to make it happen and the will is there... It's just fragmented... and that's no coincidence either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted January 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 https://holliegreigjustice.wordpress.com/2019/07/14/snps-distorted-world-view/amp/?__twitter_impression=true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 18 hours ago, BuddieinEK said: Equally, it is entirely normal to be a passionate Scot but believe if the political system changed, the benefits and security of the Union are a benifit. Also equally, even if you don't, it is normal to resist change. Normal is not an acceptable substitute. Sorry! BTB disnae believe that first sentence. He claimed it was impossible for people like me - like you describe - to be a passionate Scot without going on independence marches and waving wee flags. or just by living in Lovely London, within sound of the Brexit Bongs.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, antrin said: BTB disnae believe that first sentence. He claimed it was impossible for people like me - like you describe - to be a passionate Scot without going on independence marches and waving wee flags. or just by living in Lovely London, within sound of the Brexit Bongs.... Erm no I said you couldn't be a proud Londoner and Scot and that your Scottishness was sentimental - you've made your choice and are able to vote in the London Mayoral elctions. ****************** I am of the opinion that Independence outweighs the benefits of the Union for Scotland. I look at BJ claiming that Brexit not prevent open trade with the rest of the world and lead to beneficial trade deals for the UK but that Scottish Independence will lead to a closed border then listen to English Tory MPs at Westminster howling at the SNP leader Ian Blackford and wonder why they want to stop us leaving, they clearly don't like us and this is the mainstream of current Tory politicians. ******************* All of which seems to be contradicted by the Chancellors statement today that we would not be aligned with EU regulations post Brexit, so no frictionless trade with them anyway and all aboard the Train towards the 19th Century! Edited January 18, 2020 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 Missing you awready…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornwall_Saint Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/16/2020 at 9:45 PM, oaksoft said: Yes and that's the entire problem for those advocating independence. There isn't the support for it yet. Let alone nonsense about simply declaring independence. If Yes was polling at over 70% then I'd say that simply declaring independence was the way to go bu we are probably an actual generation or more away from that sort of support. I do agree here. Declaring independence here and now would be the wrong way to go and would only harm the Yes movement. I agree with the second point also. I think the numbers will keep growing but the likes of 70% is not near us yet. 22 hours ago, BuddieinEK said: Equally, it is entirely normal to be a passionate Scot but believe if the political system changed, the benefits and security of the Union are a benifit. 2014 should have been the wake up call. 45% of Scots were dissatisfied with the status quo. Long term the balance of a 5% swing isn’t much, and Westminster should have acted on that to show us the Union is worth it. Instead they’ve ignored Scotland’s MPs unless Tory, they totally ignored Scottish views on Brexit and we’ve seen absolutely no change in the treatment of Scotland. Westminster had their chance to prove the Union was good. They had their chance to treat us as an equal. Boris’ rejection of Indyref2 should be the final straw that proves Scotland is stuck under the Westminster dictatorship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 23 hours ago, BuddieinEK said: On 1/17/2020 at 4:47 PM, bazil85 said: It's the connotations that go along with the word but I feel you knew that given the "that took longer than I expected" comment. My question was not directed at you. Kindly piss off pants on fire boy! No, I’m allowed to respond if I want. You were given your chance to end our engagement, you showed you desperately needed it 😁 you’re welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 No, I’m allowed to respond if I want. You were given your chance to end our engagement, you showed you desperately needed it [emoji16] you’re welcome. You were not "responding", you were interrupting. Craving attention as always. Now piss off stalker pants on fire boy.I have no desire to hear from you. You commented on a question from me to someone else. Not to you. None of your business. Now crawl back to your fantasy world and geez peace! (I knew you would miss me and crumble eventually!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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salmonbuddie Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 It's almost as if 75% of the electorate didn't vote for the party who specifically made their campaign about not having Indyref2... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 18 hours ago, BuddieinEK said: You were not "responding", you were interrupting. Craving attention as always. I was responding, you’re wrong again. Now piss off stalker pants on fire boy. i don’t think I will thanks. This seems to annoy you as much as the FACT you’ve never once shown me lie. 😂 I have no desire to hear from you. You commented on a question from me to someone else. Not to you. None of your business. Why should I believe you? You’ve made several such claims & haven’t once managed to stay away? Still irrelevant, I’m allowed to respond to any post I want on here. Now crawl back to your fantasy world and geez peace! (I knew you would miss me and crumble eventually!) Aw petal, good bit of reverse psychology. It’s visible for everyone to see you broke your request, not the other way around 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 Needy.So needy.Last word syndrome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/18/constitutional-revolution-to-rescue-union-says-gordon-brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/18/constitutional-revolution-to-rescue-union-says-gordon-brownAh, another Broontervention.Will he offer up federalism (again)?Will anyone really listen to him anyway?Will Darling be rolled out next month? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 19 hours ago, BuddieinEK said: Needy. So needy. Last word syndrome! So much in common eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornwall_Saint Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 14 hours ago, TPAFKATS said: Will Darling be rolled out next month? Aye, he’s being brought of the freezers today to start the thawing process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornwall_Saint Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 14 hours ago, TPAFKATS said: Will Darling be rolled out next month? Aye, he’s being brought of the freezers today to start the thawing process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 3:59 PM, Bud the Baker said: Erm no I said you couldn't be a proud Londoner and Scot and that your Scottishness was sentimental It's not your place to present statements like this as factual. As much fun as it is to wind antrim up about these things, it's a pretty arrogant position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Quote Erm no I said you couldn't be a proud Londoner and Scot and that your Scottishness was sentimental It's not your place to present statements like this as factual. As much fun as it is to wind antrim up about these things, it's a pretty arrogant position. Well the backstory was @antrin complaining about having no say in the previous and upcoming Independence referendums, I pointed out he no longer lives in Scotland and that he is able to vote for the Mayor of the city where he lives. The choices people make define them and I stand by my opinion (one which I am fully aware won't be shared by everyone), it cuts both ways I'm more than happy to accept immigrants who want to stay in Scotland as proud Scots.. Edited January 20, 2020 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, cockles1987 said: You missed out that he resides in Scotland for half the year. I didn't know, he didn't say! I presume he must have made a decision to make London his "official" residence. Edited January 20, 2020 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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