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47 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

 

Gus himself just ratified that point in the recently posted interview

When GM was appointed in October 2018 it GLS said it was because we had learned from the "Summer of Stubbs" and that GM was here to provide continuity, GM confirmed that the main part of his job was transfers, the continuity was clearly not there after OK left last summer - recruitment stalled & didn't really resume until about a month after JGs appointment where a different strategy of signing players on longer term contracts emerged - that GMS role seems to have been redefined from the time of his appointment only enhances my argument.

Bazil85

GLS also made reference to the role not being “defined” since then we have two interviews from Gus highlighting the role is based on recruitment in advance of transfer windows, “it’s a supportive role, whatever the manager wants really” and a Q&A session saying his role will largely be the identifying and initial scouting of players before it filters through to Tony and the manager.

No where in the interview following his recruitment does it say his role was “transfers” that is a complete fabrication. It’s not in the article. The constant presence was in the “football department”, again absolutely no mention of recruitment from GLS. This is another fabrication. The exact quote is "We want to have someone within the football department who will be a constant presence," he told his club website.This is exactly the role Gus took on between managerial changes. He took training for the squad, it doesn’t get anymore “football department” than that.

Gus was also appointed in September 2018, if you can’t even get basic information right like his appointment or job title, why on earth should anyone believe the rest of the baseless tripe?

But feel free to challenge. Where did Gus say his job was the actual transfers of players? Where did GLS say his role was the continuation of recruitment? You’ve been caught out not only twisting content but claiming content that doesn’t exist.

  5 hours ago, bazil85 said:

Yeah, listened to it this morning. BTB will still try and spin out of it no doubt. Even after words from the man himself on his role 😂

I've explained to you before and it needs no spinning!

Chief Scout is not how GMs role was defined at the time of his appointment - his redefined role seems to me to be nice work if you can get it.

Bazil85

His role wasn’t defined at the time of his appointment. "The board have a vision of how they want the club to develop. At present, we have a plan but not the manpower to define and execute it.

You have made a U-turn on players you previously argued were" key squad members" .

Bazil85

No I haven’t, first of all I said they were members of out senior squad, I never used the word “key” you have directly quoted me, you are wrong. Second I haven’t made any such U turn, I have stated the squad will have been re-evaluated and my belief is now they’d benefit from being loaned. That is completely irrelevant to the status after the summer window. Do you not think things change in football?

EE - Injured all of the time? Bottom line - a development player who got no game time in 5 months. Incorrect

CB - Plenty of players ahead of him in his position so one 2 min time wasting appearance as a substitutes ie a development player. 22 man squad, not everyone will play, same as any team. Still part of our senior squad assembled in the summer.

OD - Panic buy for the LC that we're trying to get rid of who made one 5 min appearance after JGs considered signings arrived and clearly out of the first team picture by the time I made my original post on the subject at the start of November. Incorrect, time on trial and standard of opponent debunks this. You can show nowhere to back it up

Notice CM has been dropped, still no admittance of being wrong from you? (take your pick)

None of these guys were in the first team picture when I made my original post in November and couldn't even get any game time in December when the squad almost buckled and as I predicted are now even further away from the first team as it increases in size - I've said being GLSs vigilante prevents you from posting objectively on the subject.

Bazil85

Never claimed they were, the first team is the first choice 11 in my view. They were part of our senior squad of 22, not all 22 can be first team players, this is very basic stuff.

Squad size - My point was always that it was too small (it'll almost certainly be bigger by the end of the window) and most arrived too late, leaving us in the Chairman's words "behind the curve" and what else can that mean but a failure by our TD to learn lessons and provide continuity in signings last summer? JGs arrival seems to have led to a change in our signing strategy with a trend towards signing players on longer contracts. Perhaps a more relevant question is whether GM provides an essential role in the current set-up.

Bazil85

Being “behind” does not mean failure. It can mean… Behind where we want to be. Again, should Liverpool be giving back the CL trophy because they were “behind” to Barca at one point? Surely the only outcome based on your take is they “failed” to win the Champions League?

You clearly hate Gus, it must be so sore for you to watch us visibly improving while he’s at the club. GLS & Goody have both spoken about his role in player recruitment positively, Goody as recently as last week lol. Still, no one has said he’s responsible for “transfers” please provide quote?

In two months of arguing you've proved nothing  we're just two idiots paraphrasing the same arguments and providing a degree of amusement for other forumsters, my point as ever is that GMs failed in his role as defined at the time of his appointment and that no amount of post-hoc re-evaluation of said role changes that - he was hired for the role of Technical Director not Chief Scout. 

Bazil85

I have beaten practically all your points by either 1. Pointing to actual quotes, 2. Pointing out where your claims are completely baseless. Ouch, only one Gus MacPherson 😃

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2 hours ago, Ayrshire Saints said:

Desperation reeking from every pore to get some justification for the who's out thread.

There are some rumblings of this in the media - but cannot see it happening - I wonder if LPM saw that or was just doing his usual . . . 

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On ‎1‎/‎8‎/‎2020 at 11:02 AM, Lord Pityme said:

 

Three signings in 24 hours..

Two CB's... much needed

One Midfielder... overloaded

 

Bairdy gone... not Goody's cup of tea.

Who's next for the boot?

Gotta be a couple of midfielders/forwards..?

 

S McGinn?

K McAllister?

D Mullen?

E Erahon?

Y Djorkaeff?

I Durmus?

The wages have to be balanced somewhere.

 

 

On ‎1‎/‎11‎/‎2020 at 9:48 AM, Lord Pityme said:

Slovak goalie in on trial, is that a precursor to Hladky heading?

 

On ‎1‎/‎15‎/‎2020 at 10:12 AM, Lord Pityme said:

With the rumour we are in for Middleton on loan, does that mean Durmus us out?
How many misfiring left wingers do we need?

 

On ‎1‎/‎16‎/‎2020 at 10:19 AM, Lord Pityme said:

With Mallan injured and Ross looking for cover, might he put a bid in for Magennis?
He"s a big fan.

As I said desperate stuff !!!

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Ffs, all LPM said regarding Magennis was “Might, MIGHT, “might”, Jack Ross put in a bid for Magennis.” He’s literally asking a question on a forum.

Whether or not he’s a shit stirrer, it’s a simple question on a forum. He’s not claiming JR has bidded, or even claimed JR wants KM, he’s just asking a question on the forum.

Whats the point of having or being on a forum if a question like this is upsetting people? Regardless of what you think of LPM’s usual questions, there is f**k all wrong with that particular question yet some feel the need to take offence to it.

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7 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

Ffs, all LPM said regarding Magennis was “Might, MIGHT, “might”, Jack Ross put in a bid for Magennis.” He’s literally asking a question on a forum.

Whether or not he’s a shit stirrer, it’s a simple question on a forum. He’s not claiming JR has bidded, or even claimed JR wants KM, he’s just asking a question on the forum.

Whats the point of having or being on a forum if a question like this is upsetting people? Regardless of what you think of LPM’s usual questions, there is f**k all wrong with that particular question yet some feel the need to take offence to it.

LPM's only goal from this question was to troll and stir. Same as an awful lot of his posts. He's just being called out on it.

Asking questions - fine.

Calling out someone that clearly gets a thrill out of stiring up trouble of a discussion forum - also fine. 

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LPM's only goal from this question was to troll and stir. Same as an awful lot of his posts. He's just being called out on it.
Asking questions - fine.
Calling out someone that clearly gets a thrill out of stiring up trouble of a discussion forum - also fine. 
Definition of irony... please see above.

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Just now, Lord Pityme said:
5 minutes ago, bazil85 said:
LPM's only goal from this question was to troll and stir. Same as an awful lot of his posts. He's just being called out on it.
Asking questions - fine.
Calling out someone that clearly gets a thrill out of stiring up trouble of a discussion forum - also fine. 

Definition of irony... please see above.

Beat me to it, the bare faced brass neck. :lol:

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1 minute ago, Lord Pityme said:
6 minutes ago, bazil85 said:
LPM's only goal from this question was to troll and stir. Same as an awful lot of his posts. He's just being called out on it.
Asking questions - fine.
Calling out someone that clearly gets a thrill out of stiring up trouble of a discussion forum - also fine. 

Definition of irony... please see above.

Incorrect. 

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Ffs, all LPM said regarding Magennis was “Might, MIGHT, “might”, Jack Ross put in a bid for Magennis.” He’s literally asking a question on a forum.
Whether or not he’s a shit stirrer, it’s a simple question on a forum. He’s not claiming JR has bidded, or even claimed JR wants KM, he’s just asking a question on the forum.
Whats the point of having or being on a forum if a question like this is upsetting people? Regardless of what you think of LPM’s usual questions, there is f**k all wrong with that particular question yet some feel the need to take offence to it.
Your post is like a rolled up newspaper to their cocks. Lol...
It's all sexually motivated, they get off on it! Its called 'Troll Porn"

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13 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

 

Beat me to it, the bare faced brass neck. :lol:

It's absolutely not true. Sorry state of affairs when St Mirren "fans" think it's stirring to post positive comments about the club, BTB and the board, which is pretty much the majority of what I do. 🤣

 

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22 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

It's absolutely not true. Sorry state of affairs when St Mirren "fans" think it's stirring to post positive comments about the club, BTB and the board, which is pretty much the majority of what I do. 🤣

 

We've been here before, you're a tedious bore who actually believes he's some sort of super fan.

You actually said in a earlier post you'd "beaten" someone who disagreed with you. :lol:

You're unable to see anything to do with the club/board other than "post positive comments".

The half a dozen fans, aye, no inverted commas, they are as much a fan as you, who have engaged with you get dragged into a never ending game of ping pong which drowns the forum, despite you believing you're doing the forum a good turn. :1eye

As I said, some brass neck. 

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49 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

We've been here before, you're a tedious bore who actually believes he's some sort of super fan.

Someone that doesn't want to needlessly moan about every single thing SMFC related "believes he's some sort of super fan" 🤣

You actually said in a earlier post you'd "beaten" someone who disagreed with you. :lol:

If it's BTB, have you read some of the utter garbage he's been claiming? Anyone could have beaten him in debate by just pointing out where he is mistaken. 

You're unable to see anything to do with the club/board other than "post positive comments".

Well we've improved in stature and on the park since they've came in. Should I be seeing issues with them right now? Can you give me an example? 

The half a dozen fans, aye, no inverted commas, they are as much a fan as you, who have engaged with you get dragged into a never ending game of ping pong which drowns the forum, despite you believing you're doing the forum a good turn. :1eye

Just my opinion, they often don't seem like "fans" at all of this football club. 

As I said, some brass neck. 

I disagree. 

 

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We have a speculation thread for mights.

Ffs, all LPM said regarding Magennis was “Might, MIGHT, “might”, Jack Ross put in a bid for Magennis.” He’s literally asking a question on a forum.
Whether or not he’s a shit stirrer, it’s a simple question on a forum. He’s not claiming JR has bidded, or even claimed JR wants KM, he’s just asking a question on the forum.
Whats the point of having or being on a forum if a question like this is upsetting people? Regardless of what you think of LPM’s usual questions, there is f**k all wrong with that particular question yet some feel the need to take offence to it.

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2 hours ago, bazil85 said:

LPM's only goal from this question was to troll and stir.

Sorry Baz, but I cannot agree with you here.

Jack Ross has worked with Magennis before. Magennis is the next player expected to depart from our club for a fee (Hladky is the other possibility but we all know he’s free in the summer too). Hibs are exactly the sort of club we expect Magennis to move on to.

I don’t see how asking what the chances of this move are is trolling. If LPM had claimed he had a source suggesting this move was on the cards, or if LPM was claiming this move is definitely going to happen, then by all means he would be trolling. If he had suggested a lower club like Partick Thistle or a bigger club like Everton were in for him, he’d be trolling. But he didn’t, he just asked for thoughts on a realistic and possible move.

24 minutes ago, Ayrshire Saints said:

We have a speculation thread for mights.

While true, this entire thread has been down to “mights” and “shoulds” considering the only out so far has been a random youth we know little about.

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On 1/16/2020 at 2:10 PM, bazil85 said:

Nothing new from you here Baz..... 😃

.....nothing new from me either, just a refusal to be bullied off the forum by your bitter, negative, sycophantic etc, etc posting. .:snore.

On the two issues:

  1. On the redefinition GM:s role - I ain;t the one spinning the issue. :1eye
  2. Breadner,Djorkaeff & Erhahom (Good name for a Prog Rock group :whistle ) - all clearly out off the picture by November (if not before), you have made a U-turn that would embarrass any normal person. :1eye

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17 hours ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

Sorry Baz, but I cannot agree with you here.

Jack Ross has worked with Magennis before. Magennis is the next player expected to depart from our club for a fee (Hladky is the other possibility but we all know he’s free in the summer too). Hibs are exactly the sort of club we expect Magennis to move on to.

I don’t see how asking what the chances of this move are is trolling. If LPM had claimed he had a source suggesting this move was on the cards, or if LPM was claiming this move is definitely going to happen, then by all means he would be trolling. If he had suggested a lower club like Partick Thistle or a bigger club like Everton were in for him, he’d be trolling. But he didn’t, he just asked for thoughts on a realistic and possible move.

While true, this entire thread has been down to “mights” and “shoulds” considering the only out so far has been a random youth we know little about.

Still time for a few to go out on loan. Most likely one or more of those mentioned most often on this thread. 

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On 1/17/2020 at 6:01 PM, Cornwall_Saint said:

Sorry Baz, but I cannot agree with you here.

Jack Ross has worked with Magennis before. Magennis is the next player expected to depart from our club for a fee (Hladky is the other possibility but we all know he’s free in the summer too). Hibs are exactly the sort of club we expect Magennis to move on to.

I don’t see how asking what the chances of this move are is trolling. If LPM had claimed he had a source suggesting this move was on the cards, or if LPM was claiming this move is definitely going to happen, then by all means he would be trolling. If he had suggested a lower club like Partick Thistle or a bigger club like Everton were in for him, he’d be trolling. But he didn’t, he just asked for thoughts on a realistic and possible move.

While true, this entire thread has been down to “mights” and “shoulds” considering the only out so far has been a random youth we know little about.

Magennis has 18 months left on his contract & is on very decent form. Personally I don’t think there’s a chance in hell that Hibs have the money that we would accept to let him go at this stage.
 

They don’t generally spend high six figure sums from what I can tell & that would be an absolute steal for a player like Magennis on this length of contract. Personally I’d want no less than seven figures at this stage, 

There’s not been a whisper of this from anyone as far as I can tell but LPM. Just like his chat on Durmus, it’s stirring in my view. 

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7 hours ago, Bud the Baker said:

.....nothing new from me either, just a refusal to be bullied off the forum by your bitter, negative, sycophantic etc, etc posting. .:snore.

On the two issues:

  1. On the redefinition GM:s role - I ain;t the one spinning the issue. :1eye
    yes you are. Read the interviews, job wasn’t defined when he came onboard. Oh and by the way recruitment was initially his short term role, not long term. "Short-term it's recruitment. I think that's all we can really look at just now”  "Longer-term you are looking at the development of the club, the structure of the club, and working with the manager, the coaches in the academy as well, the directors, and everyone, to improve what's already there." Or are you denying this & saying his job is ‘transfers’ something no one has said?  
    Pointing out where you’re wrong is bullying? 😂😂 sheltered life you must have had. 
  1. Breadner,Djorkaeff & Erhahom (Good name for a Prog Rock group :whistle ) - all clearly out off the picture by November (if not before), you have made a U-turn that would embarrass any normal person. :1eye

Is this as close as we’ll get to you admitting you were wrong on Cammy? Another great game from him today. 
As I have said, how great it would be if every player worked out to be a revelation. Not the way it works. OD hasn’t worked out & will likely be moved on. CB & EE were both parts of the senior squad assembled in the summer, that’s from the team squad, if you think it’s wrong, prove it. Squads get re-evaluated and I now feel they’d benefit from being moved on. That’s based on now, not then so not a U-turn. No luck. 
you’ve actually beaten yourself here. You either have to admit you were wrong on Cammy or accept he’s now an important part of the squad to the extent he’s probably first 11. If you say the latter does that mean you think he’s been re-evaluated? 😁

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