Coronavirus

[faraway saint]

16 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

As one of the last "hold-outs" without a mobile phone I read this with dismay until I realized I very rarely visit pubs these days, or even back in them halcyon just before  Lockdown daze...😵

Older drinkers risk discrimination says charity, after pub refuses to serve man without smartphone (msn.com)  

You just need to give up the internet and you'll be complete. 😉

[Bud the Baker]

26 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

You just need to give up the internet and you'll be complete. 😉

On days like today when I'm not working I prefer to get my news online rather than watch the Breakfast shows which are now very "lightweight" - Dan Walker interviewing BJ after the last election reminded me of "wur ain" Chick Young's fawning attitude to Walter Smith, even BJ recognized this by asking Dan to make the last question a "hard one".

Back on topic some online forms now have the Mobile Phone slot mandatory and I've had to enter my partner's number for simple things like getting my gonorrhoea treated...🤮

I will prob'ly be forced to relent and get one soon but I'm gonna hold out for as long as possible.  

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Staying off-topic I can understand the desire to cut costs for milk delivery (below) and the extra expense & inconvenience of leaving people on old systems of payment but somewhere inside me there's a caveman just waiting to shout Yabba-Dabba-Don't! 

A sour taste: Milk delivery giant turns its back on loyal customers - because they don't have the internet (msn.com)

Edited April 14, 2021 by Bud the Baker

[Sue Denim]

Boris Johnson claiming that lockdowns were the reason for the fall in hospitalisations and deaths and not vaccines

No, seasonality was the reason. It happens every single year as can be clearly seen in the graph of weekly deaths since 1974 below. 

Whoever wishes to investigate medicine properly should proceed thus: in the first place to consider the seasons of the year … 

Hippocrates

(circa 400 b.c.)

Edited April 14, 2021 by Sue Denim

[Sue Denim]

Comparison weekly deaths in Scotland of the 17/18 bad flu season with the winter of 20/21.

Lockdown began after the peak.

Similar rise and fall in deaths in both charts. No lockdowns or vaccines in 17/18 to cause the fall from the peak. It happens every year. 

[Sue Denim]

If lockdowns have reduced deaths in the U.K. then what has reduced deaths in Sweden, Florida, Texas, Georgia, South Dakota, South Carolina and Mississippi?
 

These states all currently have no restrictions at all, whether because they never had them (South Dakota), because they removed them after the first wave in the spring (Georgia and South Carolina) or in the autumn (Florida), or because they lifted them in the last few weeks (Mississippi and Texas).

If lockdown is what brings infections down, what has brought them down in these states?

[Bud the Baker]

In a weird case of double standards the BBC is highlighting the NRS figures that Scotland has recorded 10,000 Covid deaths while still using the 28 day total for the UK as a whole - bizarre!

[antrin]

24 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

In a weird case of double standards the BBC is highlighting the NRS figures that Scotland has recorded 10,000 Covid deaths while still using the 28 day total for the UK as a whole - bizarre!

It’s a milestone.

similar figures about...

Say... London get quoted to help people grasp some reality behind vast numbers.

[oaksoft]

3 hours ago, Sue Denim said:

If lockdowns have reduced deaths in the U.K. then what has reduced deaths in Sweden, Florida, Texas, Georgia, South Dakota, South Carolina and Mississippi?
 

These states all currently have no restrictions at all, whether because they never had them (South Dakota), because they removed them after the first wave in the spring (Georgia and South Carolina) or in the autumn (Florida), or because they lifted them in the last few weeks (Mississippi and Texas).

If lockdown is what brings infections down, what has brought them down in these states?

Has anyone ever said that there was no seasonality at all involved in covid?

Either on here or in public office?

The argument is that lockdown reduces the size and duration of the wave.

Seasonality, lockdown, social distancing (but NOT masks FFS) and vaccines will all be factors.

[Bud the Baker]

1 hour ago, antrin said:

It’s a milestone.

similar figures about...

Say... London get quoted to help people grasp some reality behind vast numbers.

When the UK passed the 150,000 Covid deaths milestone it was not the headline but Para9 with a disclaimer...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56709870

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Separate figures published by the UK's statistics agencies show there have been 150,000 deaths registered in the UK where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate.

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[bazil85]

4 hours ago, Sue Denim said:

Boris Johnson claiming that lockdowns were the reason for the fall in hospitalisations and deaths and not vaccines

No, seasonality was the reason. It happens every single year as can be clearly seen in the graph of weekly deaths since 1974 below. 

Whoever wishes to investigate medicine properly should proceed thus: in the first place to consider the seasons of the year … 

Hippocrates

(circa 400 b.c.)

yet again sharing visuals that show your view is wrong regarding the severity of Covid19, such a strange approach. 

[faraway saint]

As I have thought for some time, almost a quarter of reported deaths are not FROM covid but people who just happened to have it.

That'll dent the figures and upset @Bud the Baker 

Almost a quarter of registered Covid deaths are people who are not dying from the disease, new official figures show, as the Government was urged to move faster with the roadmap in the light of increasingly positive data.  

The latest figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show that 23 per cent of coronavirus deaths registered are now people who have died "with" the virus rather than "from" an infection.

This means that, while the person who died will have tested positive for Covid, that was not the primary cause of their death recorded on the death certificate.

[Cookie Monster]

As I have thought for some time, almost a quarter of reported deaths are not FROM covid but people who just happened to have it.

I could have sworn that was explained at every briefing given at least in Scotland.

[faraway saint]

31 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

 

 

I could have sworn that was explained at every briefing given at least in Scotland.

 

Was it? 

If so, you'd have thought it would have been shown as THE real number rather than exaggerating things, unless that was what the government wanted? 

[Bud the Baker]

3 hours ago, faraway saint said:

As I have thought for some time, almost a quarter of reported deaths are not FROM covid but people who just happened to have it.

That'll dent the figures and upset @Bud the Baker 

Almost a quarter of registered Covid deaths are people who are not dying from the disease new official figures show, as the Government was urged to move faster with the roadmap in the light of increasingly positive data.  

The latest figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show that 23 per cent of coronavirus deaths registered are now people who have died "with" the virus rather than "from" an infection.

This means that, while the person who died will have tested positive for Covid, that was not the primary cause of their death recorded on the death certificate.

Well that's a convenient distinction but it doesn't change anything - anyone reading the rest of the Mail/Telegraph articles in full will see it's clearly a gammon ploy...

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• Tory backbenchers are now calling on Boris Johnson to accelerate the route of the Covid lockdown

 

[faraway saint]

Just now, Bud the Baker said:

Well that's a convenient distinction but it doesn't change anything - anyone reading the rest of the Mail/Telegraph articles in full will see it's clearly a gammon ploy...

 

And there we are, figures you don't like, right them off. 

Don't you like the ONS figures? 

You are SO predictable. 

 

[Bud the Baker]

6 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

And there we are, figures you don't like, right them off. 

Don't you like the ONS figures? 

You are SO predictable. 

 

When the figures change my opinion will change, until then it's not a rabbit hole I intend to go down again.

[faraway saint]

1 minute ago, Bud the Baker said:

When the figures change my opinion will change, until then it's not a rabbit hole I intend to go down again.

The figures have changed, by a massive 23%. 

Feeling uncomfortable? 

[waldorf34]

Sweden has the highest number  of cases per 100000 in Europe 

[alanb]

1 hour ago, waldorf34 said:

Sweden has the highest number  of cases per 100000 in Europe 

Not their only problem it seems

Maybe the champions of the Swedish strategy can help them 

Edited April 15, 2021 by alanb

[oaksoft]

4 hours ago, waldorf34 said:

Sweden has the highest number  of cases per 100000 in Europe 

Yes, but deaths have not risen accordingly by the looks of it.

Not sure what their vaccination record is like but I think it's around 1 million of their most vulnerable people so that might be the reason why deaths have flat-lined.

[faraway saint]

4 hours ago, waldorf34 said:

Sweden has the highest number  of cases per 100000 in Europe 

[faraway saint]

43 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Yes, but deaths have not risen accordingly by the looks of it.

Not sure what their vaccination record is like but I think it's around 1 million of their most vulnerable people so that might be the reason why deaths have flat-lined.

Indeed, down in 22nd place for deaths per million.

[faraway saint]

Just made arrangements to see my son on 23rd May down in Perth. Not seen him since early December, that was for a family funeral, still not exchanged Christmas presents so that'll be weird with Christmas paper all over the restaurant near the end of May.  

It's been difficult at times, been tempted many times to break the "rules" like many have done, but we've adhered so far, no point joining the "fcukwit" brigade now.

Right, grass needs cut, I'm on it. 

 

[Sue Denim]

n 2020 493 people became billionaires and 150 million people fell into extreme poverty. Billionaires gained $3.9 trillion while workers lost $3.7 trillion.

 @Bud the Baker you supported the rich eating the poor 

[Sue Denim]

1 hour ago, faraway saint said:

Just made arrangements to see my son on 23rd May down in Perth. Not seen him since early December, that was for a family funeral, still not exchanged Christmas presents so that'll be weird with Christmas paper all over the restaurant near the end of May.  

It's been difficult at times, been tempted many times to break the "rules" like many have done, but we've adhered so far, no point joining the "fcukwit" brigade now.

Right, grass needs cut, I'm on it. 

 

On the flip side, I’ve never been tempted to adhere to the rules.

Indeed, furlough for my partner, me WFH and the shutting down of hospitality has resulted in us socialising in the setting where most community transmission occurs - people’s houses.

Most people who have died, caught the virus in a healthcare setting. Lockdowns and restrictions have merely extended the pandemic and increased the death toll.

Fcukwittery indeed.

Ya tool 😜