HSS Posted March 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, antrin said: Due to hiring/fielding Goodwillie or just cos they no longer want to subsidise a professional fitba club? https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/david-goodwillie-banned-clydes-broadwood-23279986.amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 hour ago, santaponsasaint said: We're was all the complaints when he played for Clyde the last 4/5 years. Surety the guy is allowed to make a living. If he's guilty then I understand. Seems like a lot of hypocrisy going round d. Wasn't there a Clyde women team before he signed for Raith 100% this Gary. Utter hypocrisy. Where have these snowflakes been hiding for the last 5 years ? Goodwillie may be a complete prick or maybe he's just a normal guy, I don't know. He may have sexually assaulted this woman, or (as he has always maintained) he may have had consensual sex with her. Only those involved know the answer to this. What is certain is that Goodwillie has never been found guilty of any criminality in a court of law, only in a civil case which requires only a probability of guilt. So what has changed since Goodwillie last wore a Clyde shirt to stir up this hornet's nest ? I worry that these recent events are sure to have taken a considerable toll on David Goodwillie's mental health. Have any of these new-found, holier-than-thou snowflakes given his mental welfare a single thought during their crusade for vengeance ? Let's hope common sense will prevail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted March 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 Wonder if they’ll bring out Clyde/Raith Rovers split scarves 🤔 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60605957 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledfan Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 19 hours ago, Wilbur said: 100% this Gary. Utter hypocrisy. Where have these snowflakes been hiding for the last 5 years ? Goodwillie may be a complete prick or maybe he's just a normal guy, I don't know. He may have sexually assaulted this woman, or (as he has always maintained) he may have had consensual sex with her. Only those involved know the answer to this. What is certain is that Goodwillie has never been found guilty of any criminality in a court of law, only in a civil case which requires only a probability of guilt. So what has changed since Goodwillie last wore a Clyde shirt to stir up this hornet's nest ? I worry that these recent events are sure to have taken a considerable toll on David Goodwillie's mental health. Have any of these new-found, holier-than-thou snowflakes given his mental welfare a single thought during their crusade for vengeance ? Let's hope common sense will prevail. This shows that social media now has too much power compared to 5 years ago. Someone's opinion can lead to you being "cancelled". One wrong comment at the wrong time and your life can be ruined by anonymous faces hiding behind social media. I can't think of a single justification from Clyde on this. Surely if he has a threat to anyone he wouldn't have been made captain and contracts renewed. I hope he goes on to raise a few court cases against folk that are denying him a living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 1 hour ago, exiledfan said: This shows that social media now has too much power compared to 5 years ago. Someone's opinion can lead to you being "cancelled". One wrong comment at the wrong time and your life can be ruined by anonymous faces hiding behind social media. I can't think of a single justification from Clyde on this. Surely if he has a threat to anyone he wouldn't have been made captain and contracts renewed. I hope he goes on to raise a few court cases against folk that are denying him a living. Maybe if you read the link offered above by High Street Saint, then you’d see the justification. when Goodwillie was signed by Clyde, their landlord was a leisure company. Now it’s the Council and a Council has community responsibilities. So due to those responsibilities, the Council feels it would be remiss of them to ignore the fact that Goodwillie has never shown any sign of contrition over what happened. The local authority have cited a clause in the tenancy where a person can be denied entry "on the grounds of undesirable behaviour". In a statement, they added: "The council believes in rehabilitation... however, Mr Goodwillie has not expressed any contrition. There’s a simple possibility that Goodwillie COULD say he was sorry and then it might all go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, antrin said: There’s a simple possibility that Goodwillie COULD say he was sorry and then it might all go away. That, as has been suggested many times, would suggest guilt, which Goodwillie has always denied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 I can't help but agree with the sentiments of Wilbur, exiledfan and others, re, the absolute mock disgust shown toward a person just because one high profile fan speaks out against his transfer. It's not just a gender thing. My missus also thinks this witch hunt is a step too far. I don't know if Goodwillie did what he was accused of but, if he didn't, then why is it that the papers keep harping on about him not showing remorse? He could only be remorseful IF he did do it. It should also be remembered that there wasn't enough evidence in a court which assumes innocence until proven otherwise. The "guilty" verdict was the opinion of a judge in a civil suit. This man has been proclaimed persona non grata due to media hype. The council and the women's team were happy enough to have him plying his trade prior to his fated move to a club with a famous female author as a sponsor. Hypocrisy at the very least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascal Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 41 minutes ago, faraway saint said: That, as has been suggested many times, would suggest guilt, which Goodwillie has always denied. The court found him guilty but in a civil case the evidence level required is, as I understand it, technically based on proving the probability whereas a criminal case has a higher evidence requirement. required to prove the allegation beyond all reasonable doubt. No criminal case has taken place and therefore no criminal conviction. I certainly don’t know anything that isn’t in the public domain but it seems to me that however detestable the act of rape might be, which it is, he is entitled to deny it. A catch 22. Dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn’t. Why now seems to be what is being debated. His move to Raith certainly opened a box full of unintended consequences for all concerned. Might the furore have been anticipated? Perhaps RR directors might have thought of potential reaction from its high profile fans and sponsors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenziebud Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Rascal said: The court found him guilty but in a civil case the evidence level required is, as I understand it, technically based on proving the probability whereas a criminal case has a higher evidence requirement. required to prove the allegation beyond all reasonable doubt. No criminal case has taken place and therefore no criminal conviction. I certainly don’t know anything that isn’t in the public domain but it seems to me that however detestable the act of rape might be, which it is, he is entitled to deny it. A catch 22. Dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn’t. Why now seems to be what is being debated. His move to Raith certainly opened a box full of unintended consequences for all concerned. Might the furore have been anticipated? Perhaps RR directors might have thought of potential reaction from its high profile fans and sponsors. Kinda wondering where that reaction was 5 years back when he signed for Clyde. Where was McDermid then ? We also have a First Minister joining in. Not quite getting Clyde Womens team either, a few months back there was no issue now they are all quitting. The council are also effectively saying that if he doesn't admit to it then he's not allowed into Broadwood as well as holding the same gun to the head of Clyde FC. The whole hypocrisy of this actually undermines the actual offence of rape in itself. Edited March 4, 2022 by lenziebud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascal Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 5 hours ago, lenziebud said: Kinda wondering where that reaction was 5 years back when he signed for Clyde. Where was McDermid then ? We also have a First Minister joining in. Not quite getting Clyde Womens team either, a few months back there was no issue now they are all quitting. The council are also effectively saying that if he doesn't admit to it then he's not allowed into Broadwood as well as holding the same gun to the head of Clyde FC. The whole hypocrisy of this actually undermines the actual offence of rape in itself. LB. As I recall. there was a strong reaction but nothing on the scale of the recent happenings. More than a few things have contributed IMO. The author is of course entitled to her opinion as is Gordon Brown and the involvement of both made the news story bigger news than 5 year’s ago. There are local elections in May and to add a further dash there has been the Me Too movement and Gender Issues in the spotlight as well as violence against women. Rape remains a detestable act. It was before. It is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledfan Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 16 hours ago, faraway saint said: That, as has been suggested many times, would suggest guilt, which Goodwillie has always denied. The media and social media would then start saying "Goodwillie who admitted rape" and reaction would be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 1 minute ago, exiledfan said: The media and social media would then start saying "Goodwillie who admitted rape" and reaction would be the same. Indeed, and the reaction would, if it could be, probably worse. Hysteria and tragic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledfan Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, exiledfan said: The media and social media would then start saying "Goodwillie who admitted rape" and reaction would be the same. You wonder what the reaction in the media would have been if Tony Macaroni pulled out of sponsoring Livingston as a "convicted" drug dealer was appointed manager. Im guessing it would be outrage that Martindale has served his time and rehabilitated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 Shoddy example to pick for comparison. Martindale served his time and accepted responsibility. below…. he speaks of actions and consequences. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/livi-fc-manager-david-martindale-25212052 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 Just now, antrin said: Shoddy example to pick for comparison. Martindale served his time and accepted responsibility. below…. he speaks of actions and consequences. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/livi-fc-manager-david-martindale-25212052 What part don't you understand that Godwillie has always denied he was guilty so how could/should he "accept responsibility"? Would you admit guilt if you didn't commit a crime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted March 6, 2022 Report Share Posted March 6, 2022 What part don't you understand that Godwillie has always denied he was guilty so how could/should he "accept responsibility"? Would you admit guilt if you didn't commit a crime? I can't believe I'm about to say this... I agree with faraway Saint! [emoji850]Sent from my HD1913 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted March 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2022 On 3/5/2022 at 9:50 AM, faraway saint said: What part don't you understand that Godwillie has always denied he was guilty so how could/should he "accept responsibility"? Would you admit guilt if you didn't commit a crime? Another question could be………………. Would you admit guilt if you did commit a crime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 6, 2022 Report Share Posted March 6, 2022 22 minutes ago, HSS said: Another question could be………………. Would you admit guilt if you did commit a crime? Indeed, and the same answer, which proves nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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