East Lothian Saint

I cannot agree or disagree with anything you say because I don't have a clue  (possibly like most SMISA members but maybe I'm a minority) how the club is run day to day or what plans it has for the future. I am not up to speed with the current interests or challenges in most aspects of the club other than the bit on the park.
I can tell you who the players are and who I think is playing well and playing shite because I go to games but I've never been to a board meeting or even a SMISA meeting.
I'm just worried that without the proper expertise. If SMISA (of which I am a member) get complete control. Then the lunatics will be running the asylum.
The  volatile £2 spend discussions, the scepticism about SMISA from non SMISA Fans  and the fascination with getting it right up GS on here does not paint a pretty picture of fan ownership.
You more than anyone has been banging the Question SMISA drum.
Fan ownership is beginning to scare me more than the thought of a kibble veto. The anarchy which could be unleashed if every Shull, faraway and  st Ricky suddenly thinks they should have as big a say as the board is frightening.  No one knows how things will work if we reject Kibble. There is no plan.
The Kibble may not be ideal but we have no real leadership at present. 
SMISA will still exist in any event. If it blunders on for another 5 years without kibble, I suppose it means we can keep the GS is Cnut threads running and keep spending our £2 pot on stuff non smisa folk don't want and keep fantasising and scheming about how we can wrestle 300K from GS because he should have gone under if Gilmour had been more prudent.
Every cloud has a silver lining.
Still undecided.
 
 

Have a wee search into the club over the life of BTB, you’ll see it is categorically not true there has been no additional income streams.... in fact who knows, maybe they’ll one day cover the story on Buddievision 

FFS
Judging by those against Gordon Scott, He will only be forgiven if he gifts his 300k worth of shares, the £300k he stood to lose because allegedly, according to reports on here, he was shafted by the last board and Btb  which most of his critics signed up for was the only way to recoup his cash. Did you not all sign up to pay him back???? Whilst saving the club.
Then there is TF who by his own admission got shafted by Livingston and lost his company in the last business deal he thought was a good idea. 
On past deals we have two directors already who don't have very good track records.
So GS and TF have come up with another idea. Have they learned from past experience and really carried out the due diligence on this one. The SMISA Committee Think so.
So if SMISA committee follow in the footsteps of GS and TF and we get shafted again it would just prove how inept St Mirren as an entity are. Do we have any business acumen at our disposal at all? 
Maybe The kibble could provide that.
Just from the stuff I have read on here and other social Media sites Btb is chasing a dream of fan ownership without any idea of how it could work. Even Colin at the meeting said we still thought we had another 5 Years to work it out. What kind of plan is that.
If we had 71% of the club guys like LPM and Dicko would probably have influence over Veto's and decisions while Cockles and Brazil would go to war with them. Starti would through the toys out the pram, POD would crack a joke and EK bud would resign. No disrespect guys.nothing personal substitute any Fans  name you want.
Maybe the Kibble will bring some much needed leadership to the table as well as some business acumen.
Just a thought.
 

FFS
Judging by those against Gordon Scott, He will only be forgiven if he gifts his 300k worth of shares, the £300k he stood to lose because allegedly, according to reports on here, he was shafted by the last board and Btb  which most of his critics signed up for was the only way to recoup his cash. Did you not all sign up to pay him back???? Whilst saving the club.
Then there is TF who by his own admission got shafted by Livingston and lost his company in the last business deal he thought was a good idea. 
On past deals we have two directors already who don't have very good track records.
So GS and TF have come up with another idea. Have they learned from past experience and really carried out the due diligence on this one. The SMISA Committee Think so.
So if SMISA committee follow in the footsteps of GS and TF and we get shafted again it would just prove how inept St Mirren as an entity are. Do we have any business acumen at our disposal at all? 
Maybe The kibble could provide that.
Just from the stuff I have read on here and other social Media sites Btb is chasing a dream of fan ownership without any idea of how it could work. Even Colin at the meeting said we still thought we had another 5 Years to work it out. What kind of plan is that.
If we had 71% of the club guys like LPM and Dicko would probably have influence over Veto's and decisions while Cockles and Brazil would go to war with them. Starti would through the toys out the pram, POD would crack a joke and EK bud would resign. No disrespect guys.nothing personal substitute any Fans  name you want.
Maybe the Kibble will bring some much needed leadership to the table as well as some business acumen.
Just a thought.
 

I think the problem is SMISA are just a few folk on a committee. The majority of members have no interest on being on that committee never mind the board. They joined to save the club not necessarily run it. 
Don't have a clue on percentages but if you use this forum as a source it appears many of them can't even be arsed voting on the £2 spend.
I'm Just saying, maybe the kibble might actually be interested in doing some work that most SMISA members wouldn't be arsed about.
If as you suggest  SMISA are inept and in league with the enemy. Why not limit the damage they can do buy diluting their responsibility and getting assistance from BIG BOYS who know what they are doing and will be more arsed about getting involved than most SMISA members.
 

A cynic might say they just couldn't be arsed going to livi on a Baltic Wednesday night.
 

FFS
Judging by those against Gordon Scott, He will only be forgiven if he gifts his 300k worth of shares, the £300k he stood to lose because allegedly, according to reports on here, he was shafted by the last board and Btb  which most of his critics signed up for was the only way to recoup his cash. Did you not all sign up to pay him back???? Whilst saving the club.
Then there is TF who by his own admission got shafted by Livingston and lost his company in the last business deal he thought was a good idea. 
On past deals we have two directors already who don't have very good track records.
So GS and TF have come up with another idea. Have they learned from past experience and really carried out the due diligence on this one. The SMISA Committee Think so.
So if SMISA committee follow in the footsteps of GS and TF and we get shafted again it would just prove how inept St Mirren as an entity are. Do we have any business acumen at our disposal at all? 
Maybe The kibble could provide that.
Just from the stuff I have read on here and other social Media sites Btb is chasing a dream of fan ownership without any idea of how it could work. Even Colin at the meeting said we still thought we had another 5 Years to work it out. What kind of plan is that.
If we had 71% of the club guys like LPM and Dicko would probably have influence over Veto's and decisions while Cockles and Brazil would go to war with them. Starti would through the toys out the pram, POD would crack a joke and EK bud would resign. No disrespect guys.nothing personal substitute any Fans  name you want.
Maybe the Kibble will bring some much needed leadership to the table as well as some business acumen.
Just a thought.
 

FFS
Judging by those against Gordon Scott, He will only be forgiven if he gifts his 300k worth of shares, the £300k he stood to lose because allegedly, according to reports on here, he was shafted by the last board and Btb  which most of his critics signed up for was the only way to recoup his cash. Did you not all sign up to pay him back???? Whilst saving the club.
Then there is TF who by his own admission got shafted by Livingston and lost his company in the last business deal he thought was a good idea. 
On past deals we have two directors already who don't have very good track records.
So GS and TF have come up with another idea. Have they learned from past experience and really carried out the due diligence on this one. The SMISA Committee Think so.
So if SMISA committee follow in the footsteps of GS and TF and we get shafted again it would just prove how inept St Mirren as an entity are. Do we have any business acumen at our disposal at all? 
Maybe The kibble could provide that.
Just from the stuff I have read on here and other social Media sites Btb is chasing a dream of fan ownership without any idea of how it could work. Even Colin at the meeting said we still thought we had another 5 Years to work it out. What kind of plan is that.
If we had 71% of the club guys like LPM and Dicko would probably have influence over Veto's and decisions while Cockles and Brazil would go to war with them. Starti would through the toys out the pram, POD would crack a joke and EK bud would resign. No disrespect guys.nothing personal substitute any Fans  name you want.
Maybe the Kibble will bring some much needed leadership to the table as well as some business acumen.
Just a thought.
 

As yet I am undecided. 
Earlier in this thread I voiced my concerns over the veto. That still concerns me.
HOWEVER
 I signed up for btb to save the club but was never sure how it was going to work. There is still no proposal for the end game if we get 71% of the club and that's daunting. "How we going to work it. I don't know" to paraphrase a well known song. The idea of some of the people on this forum getting any control over the club and everyone else fighting over their choice is mind boggling.  
The positive is in this deal, we get a hand and have a structure for the future that could work well, Someone who has been in business for 140 years and will prove useful. They will save money on some ongoing initiatives and generate cash in the future. They have certain values and if we are to maintain the high ground and claim to be a family rum club then shunning gambling, drinking or unethical sponsors shouldn't be an issue. Installing a plastic pitch would be though so I get the danger. Its a risk but at least we have more clarity on the future.
Do we have the expertise to do this ourselves, Not sure. Can we trust kibble to deliver on their statement.  "It's in our interest for ST Mirren to do well on the park."
I'd like to think we can but I'm not sure. It's a tough Decision.

As yet I am undecided. 
Earlier in this thread I voiced my concerns over the veto. That still concerns me.
HOWEVER
 I signed up for btb to save the club but was never sure how it was going to work. There is still no proposal for the end game if we get 71% of the club and that's daunting. "How we going to work it. I don't know" to paraphrase a well known song. The idea of some of the people on this forum getting any control over the club and everyone else fighting over their choice is mind boggling.  
The positive is in this deal, we get a hand and have a structure for the future that could work well, Someone who has been in business for 140 years and will prove useful. They will save money on some ongoing initiatives and generate cash in the future. They have certain values and if we are to maintain the high ground and claim to be a family rum club then shunning gambling, drinking or unethical sponsors shouldn't be an issue. Installing a plastic pitch would be though so I get the danger. Its a risk but at least we have more clarity on the future.
Do we have the expertise to do this ourselves, Not sure. Can we trust kibble to deliver on their statement.  "It's in our interest for ST Mirren to do well on the park."
I'd like to think we can but I'm not sure. It's a tough Decision.

As yet I am undecided. 
Earlier in this thread I voiced my concerns over the veto. That still concerns me.
HOWEVER
 I signed up for btb to save the club but was never sure how it was going to work. There is still no proposal for the end game if we get 71% of the club and that's daunting. "How we going to work it. I don't know" to paraphrase a well known song. The idea of some of the people on this forum getting any control over the club and everyone else fighting over their choice is mind boggling.  
The positive is in this deal, we get a hand and have a structure for the future that could work well, Someone who has been in business for 140 years and will prove useful. They will save money on some ongoing initiatives and generate cash in the future. They have certain values and if we are to maintain the high ground and claim to be a family rum club then shunning gambling, drinking or unethical sponsors shouldn't be an issue. Installing a plastic pitch would be though so I get the danger. Its a risk but at least we have more clarity on the future.
Do we have the expertise to do this ourselves, Not sure. Can we trust kibble to deliver on their statement.  "It's in our interest for ST Mirren to do well on the park."
I'd like to think we can but I'm not sure. It's a tough Decision.

Let’s not forget that Kibble are also saving SMiSA members £300K, an average of £250 a head.
We probably also shouldn’t overlook the fact that as 51% shareholders, SMiSA will have the majority shareholding of the football club, and thus the football club will be, by definition, “fan owned”. By the end of next year.
And its maybe worthwhile remembering that we get the benefit of the expertise and infrastructure of a 140 year old organisation who have a turnover 10 times the size of the club, working with us.
And we get all of this, with a partner who is not driven by profit, but rather one that exists to help young people develop and prosper.
Blind? Blinded by a personal grudge with the chairman I’d say.
 

Just as worrying as some non members of SMISA suggesting how to run a club and not turn up for matches. 

My black and white glasses reckon this was a decent result and fair. My prediction was 1-1. I was wildly wrong with my crowd prediction of 6,000. Really poor turn out by Saints Fans. 

Why Sunday - it would kill the crowd and affects hospitality income too ?
Saturday 3.00pm would be just fine no need for tinkering.

35 minutes in, a question is asked "Can you imagine a situation when you're doing stadium maintenance for St.Mirren or providing services for St.Mirren, where you're actually charging St.Mirren for that work?"
The answer is "Absolutely not" and then the guy Jim goes onto state how any academy repairs would incur no cost, but the Kibble youngsters would benefit from working in a real life scenario, as an example.
Anyway. I'm still undecided, but the video answered a lot of questions, and the Kibble guys came across very well. I liked the fact that legal aspects had been dealt with too. 
I'm not bothered about full scale fan ownership being diluted. TBH the thought of only fans running the club gave me the fear a wee bit. Undoubtedly The Kibble would add to our commercial side and work towards providing additional revenue streams that fans have been crying out for, along with other areas of expertise and contacts.
I suppose it boils down to whether you trust The Kibble at their word or not.
At the moment the tin foil is in the kitchen cupboard, but there's still a chance it could come out, once I've slept on the matter.
 

I couldn't possibly comment on how I know what I do about the 'Pans and Tranent! Glad you've watched the video. If you still decide to vote it down that's your prerogative. We'll still own the club so it's all good!

Mafia style...

Dickson and LPM actually raise a few concerns that worry me.
I haven't seen the video and I wasn't at the meeting but in everything I have read I don't see any safeguards being offered for St Mirren Values only what this gives to Kibble.
Make no bones about it Kibble will gain a big say in how the club is run. As a minority share holder they will have a big 50% veto should they chose to use it.
If Kibble are entering this with the right intentions i,e support St Mirren, then that shouldn't be an issue.
If their intention is to USE St Mirren we could be in Deep Do. Do.
Simple things like the St Mirren Colours are up for grabs here. Never mind control of the board.
Its a bit far fetched but what if kibble affiliated people took out 1301 SMISA memberships and controlled SMISA votes. They could just take the club off us.
I don't know if this is a good or a bad deal but lets not rush into it without getting appropriate answers and safeguards.

Dickson and LPM actually raise a few concerns that worry me.
I haven't seen the video and I wasn't at the meeting but in everything I have read I don't see any safeguards being offered for St Mirren Values only what this gives to Kibble.
Make no bones about it Kibble will gain a big say in how the club is run. As a minority share holder they will have a big 50% veto should they chose to use it.
If Kibble are entering this with the right intentions i,e support St Mirren, then that shouldn't be an issue.
If their intention is to USE St Mirren we could be in Deep Do. Do.
Simple things like the St Mirren Colours are up for grabs here. Never mind control of the board.
Its a bit far fetched but what if kibble affiliated people took out 1301 SMISA memberships and controlled SMISA votes. They could just take the club off us.
I don't know if this is a good or a bad deal but lets not rush into it without getting appropriate answers and safeguards.

Div wants everyone to review the facts of the proposal and to make their own minds up about what way to vote.
Div doesn't mind if the proposal is defeated or accepted.
Either way Div will be a SMiSA member for ever more.
Div doesn't do walking away.
Don't speak for Div thank you very much, Div can do it for himself.
ps; Let's not forget that Div is giving you the public platform to absolutely slate the Kibble, SMiSA, the club, the board and the chairman. I'm all for free speech.

So selling 27.5% of the club to an outside body is not as we were all warned against and persuaded to BtB... is apparently NOT selling the club off to an outside body.
Glad that's been cleared up for us fans who, we were told are the best people to secure the club's future... only to be told, we are in fact the Worse people to be let near the club.

Apparently the only people who are capable of running the club are Scott, and a UK charity.

Now that's been cleared up, can us, not to be trusted people, all have our money back please?

If you never needed us in the first place, presumably you never needed our cash either?

Sounds like the presentation went very well last night going be reaction I’ve read. Look forward to the video being published for everyone to see.
I’d love to think that the proposal, if it goes through, actually convinces more fans to join SMiSA.
I’d also hope that whatever way the vote goes, that the existing 1200 members stay committed and part of a project that has already done so much good for the club and in the local community.
The £2 spend on its own has been an absolutely brilliant initiative.

I'll admit my name is on the wall but even I wonder what the plan is.
Irrespective of the pros and cons of working with Kibble what this proposal does is create a scenario where Kibble could buy the Club.
Smisa Website says that if this goes ahead then during the interim period either GS, the Kibble or SMISA can veto any of the following.
- a number of matters will require the mutual approval of all three major shareholders (SMISA, Kibble, Gordon). These will include:
appointments or removals of a director of the club the sale of the stadium, changes to the club’s name, colour or badge, changing the club’s grass pitch to astroturf, and the appointment of major sponsors; any major borrowings, major contracts outwith the normal course of business, and approval of the club’s business plan; any major structural changes to St Mirren as a company, such as any reorganisation of its share capital, or changes to the club’s articles of association. After the deal is complete and Kibble only own 27.5% then either SMISA or Kibble can veto any of the above. Kibble still have a veto.
If SMISA find themselves in trouble and have to sell shares then Kibble get first option on buying. Not sure how it would evolve but theoretically  Kibble could end up with 71% of the shares if SMISA dissolves.
https://www.smisa.net/buythebuds/kibble-vote   Outlines this.
 
If Tedious Tom is right and SMISA don't know their arse from their elbow this deal could actually be the beginning of the end for Fan ownership.
Has TT uncovered a great conspiracy?