Eu Referendum

[RickMcD]

18 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said:

The UK is in total melt down politicaly thank God we have Nicola.

 

Grasping at straws.

[Stuart Dickson]

The UK is in total melt down politicaly thank God we have Nicola.

Yet you voted to leave because of a handful of immigrants on the Isle of Bute. Have you ever had a consistent thread of thought?

[Kendo]

20 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said:

The UK is in total melt down politicaly thank God we have Nicola.

 

Yes there is no leader of the Tory or Labour Party. A complete vacuum of leadership when leadership is needed. As for George Osborne, where is he? He appears to have gone missing without trace since the result was announced.

Boris is probably thinking what have I done and how do I explain to the British people that the health service won't get an extra 350 million a week, that immigration will still be an issue and that the EU actually don't need us more than we need them (good luck getting that trade agreement).

He has taken back control of a country spiralling out of control with no one in charge. Don't worry however there will soon be a new unelected right wing PM to lead us. Nigel wants to be involving in the exit negotiations despite not being elected to Westminster.

 

[Isle Of Bute Saint]

Grasping at straws.

Grasping at straws really? The Tory party are split down the middle while almost half the shadow cabinet have left. Scotland can veto the exit vote.

[Isle Of Bute Saint]

Yet you voted to leave because of a handful of immigrants on the Isle of Bute. Have you ever had a consistent thread of thought?

LOL that sounds like your own melt down lol

[bud77]

10 minutes ago, Kendo said:

Yes there is no leader of the Tory or Labour Party. A complete vacuum of leadership when leadership is needed. As for George Osborne, where is he? He appears to have gone missing without trace since the result was announced.

Boris is probably thinking what have I done and how do I explain to the British people that the health service won't get an extra 350 million a week, that immigration will still be an issue and that the EU actually don't need us more than we need them (good luck getting that trade agreement).

He has taken back control of a country spiralling out of control with no one in charge. Don't worry however there will soon be a new unelected right wing PM to lead us. Nigel wants to be involving in the exit negotiations despite not being elected to Westminster.

 

And in the meantime we will need to wait until someone, somewhere decides what sort of future relationship the leaver's want with the EU before negotiations could even start.

credit to Dave on his last play - a scorched earth policy. You've got your wish now take responsibility for it and keep your promises to the people. Johnson is screwed if he doesn't go for it and win, he's screwed if he does go for it and loses and he's screwed if he wins and doesn't deliver.

I think this about sums it up

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TZ_9-rbslo

 

[Kendo]

3 minutes ago, cockles1987 said:

Eh, but he stood right next to that actual slogan.

If that's true you'd think that someone who's been calling for everyone's head will be asking for his resignation from Westminster for lying.

He now has the look of someone that lost the referendum vote. I'm certain David Cameron told him exactly what he thought of him before he resigned.

[pozbaird]

7 minutes ago, Kendo said:

He now has the look of someone that lost the referendum vote. I'm certain David Cameron told him exactly what he thought of him before he resigned.

Probably chinned him for the two bottles of Bollinger the mop-haired cnut still owes him from their last Bullingdon Club night out where they quaffed ten bottles of the stuff and attempted to shag the arse off the posh totty at the university ball.

Boris doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who buys his round.

[bud77]

8 minutes ago, Kendo said:

He now has the look of someone that lost the referendum vote. I'm certain David Cameron told him exactly what he thought of him before he resigned.

Now he has to face up the fact that politics isn't a game played in the debating halls at Eton, the things that politicians say and do directly affect real people trying to get on with the ordinary things like feeding the family. 

[RickMcD]

41 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said:

Grasping at straws really? The Tory party are split down the middle while almost half the shadow cabinet have left. Scotland can veto the exit vote.

 

4 minutes ago, pozbaird said:

Probably chinned him for the two bottles of Bollinger the mop-haired cnut still owes him from their last Bullingdon Club night out where they quaffed ten bottles of the stuff and attempted to shag the arse off the posh totty at the university ball.

Boris doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who buys his round.

 

[Kendo]

I think there will be another referendum prior to the UK exiting.

[pozbaird]

We need a referendum to see if we should have that referendum. Let's keep having them. Love a good referendum me.

[shull]

Reffydumdums

Bring them on

Played 2 , Won 2

 

[Stuart Dickson]

The referendum petition is to be investigated for fraud. Apparently there are a lot of people who are signing up false names and signing multiple times. The UK left is looking seriously anti democratic at the moment.

[melmac]

The gov is not bound by the referendum result. The PM should give MP's a free vote on leave / stay on the basis that the engerlund n bales punters are feckin clueless.

[Stuart Dickson]

The gov is not bound by the referendum result. The PM should give MP's a free vote on leave / stay on the basis that the engerlund n bales punters are feckin clueless.

Aye, democracy in action...

[oaksoft]

2 hours ago, shull said:

Reffydumdums

Bring them on

Played 2 , Won 2

 

Your side needs to keep winning though. The other side only needs to win once.

[rabuddies]

The referendum petition is to be investigated for fraud. Apparently there are a lot of people who are signing up false names and signing multiple times. The UK left is looking seriously anti democratic at the moment.

Aye 77,000 out of 3.2 million and I would guess that most of them have been posted by Brexiteers trying to discredit the petition. Either them or the Daily Mail and / or Express with the same purpose.

[Kendo]

Article from the Guardian.

If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost. 

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legislation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-manoeuvred and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

[Stuart Dickson]

Alex Salmond has said on BBC Question Time that if we are to have a UK Government of National Unity to sort the negotiations for Brexit it should be headed up by Nicola Sturgeon - the woman looking to divide the UK. Salmond has utterly, absolutely lost the plot. A complete tool of a man! 

[rabuddies]

Alex Salmond has said on BBC Question Time that if we are to have a UK Government of National Unity to sort the negotiations for Brexit it should be headed up by Nicola Sturgeon - the woman looking to divide the UK. Salmond has utterly, absolutely lost the plot. A complete tool of a man! 

You don't really understand politics do you Stuart?

[Isle Of Bute Saint]

You don't really understand politics do you Stuart?

Was thinking the exact same. Good to see a wee bit of Dark humour with a pock of the fire.

[stlucifer]

18 minutes ago, rabuddies said:

You don't really understand politics do you Stuart?

In fairness. He seems to understand politics as much as he understands most things.

[Stuart Dickson]

1 hour ago, Kendo said:

Article from the Guardian.

If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost. 

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legislation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-manoeuvred and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

That's actually a very good article but the conclusion is wrong. There has to be an exit, otherwise democracy in the UK is f**ked. What we need is people to step forward to lead the negotiations and to ensure we get the best possible terms. I can understand the lack of haste - the markets were spooked enough on Friday morning. 

[Guest TPAFKATS]

And in the meantime we will need to wait until someone, somewhere decides what sort of future relationship the leaver's want with the EU before negotiations could even start.

credit to Dave on his last play - a scorched earth policy. You've got your wish now take responsibility for it and keep your promises to the people. Johnson is screwed if he doesn't go for it and win, he's screwed if he does go for it and loses and he's screwed if he wins and doesn't deliver.

I think this about sums it up

 

 

f**k all credit due to Cameron.

Having fecked up the campaign, on the day the UK actually needed clear leadership he said its not my job and resigned leaving a directionless government.

He's a c**t