beyond our ken Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, Soctty said: He's allowed time off, just as everyone is. Regarding whining to strangers, I take it that's idle gossip that you're throwing into the mix, just to help the manager? Who said pre-season is unimportant? Results are unimportant, performances are important but not the be all and end all - gaining fitness and sharpness is the most important thing of all. If we aren't ready and firing on day 1 of the league season, that will be a concern to me. The fact we haven't invested what we needed to in the playing squad is something that should be down to the board as much as - if not more than - the manager. By the whispers of his whining, it appears that others have the same concerns on that front. You seem incredibly annoyed that the manager and assistant had a day off on Thursday. Can you detail their hours in the weeks since they've been in charge? Or are you content to simply throw mud at them, along with some tittle tattle that you've heard on the grapevine? I heard from two trustworthy friends, one of whom is a saints fan, who met the pair at Carnoustie in the corporate hospitality area.. No idle chit chat here. Of course, everyone is allowed a day off, but there is a time and a place as well as a way to conduct yourself when enjoying hospitality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soctty Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 Just now, beyond our ken said: I heard from two trustworthy friends, one of whom is a saints fan, who met the pair at Carnoustie in the corporate hospitality area.. No idle chit chat here. Of course, everyone is allowed a day off, but there is a time and a place as well as a way to conduct yourself when enjoying hospitality These may be trustworthy friends to you, but I don't know you from Adam therefore I'm not going to take it as gospel - no offence intended. So for me, it is idle chit chat until I have either more sources of this info, or I get it from someone I know and trust. Everyone is allowed a day off, as long as you approve the time and date... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, beyond our ken said: I heard from two trustworthy friends, one of whom is a saints fan, who met the pair at Carnoustie in the corporate hospitality area.. No idle chit chat here. Of course, everyone is allowed a day off, but there is a time and a place as well as a way to conduct yourself when enjoying hospitality Have to confess that I was at the Corporate Hospitality at Carnoustie in 2007 and couldn't bite my thumb after visiting the Bollinger tent. Happy Days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Soctty said: These may be trustworthy friends to you, but I don't know you from Adam therefore I'm not going to take it as gospel - no offence intended. So for me, it is idle chit chat until I have either more sources of this info, or I get it from someone I know and trust. Everyone is allowed a day off, as long as you approve the time and date... That's a bit twisted, two days before an important part of your pre-season, which thousands have paid up-front to attend, is a time to be concentrating on getting the most out of a squad and a budget that the manager himself considers insufficient. You could believe me or you can ignore the facts. He can have all the time off he wants when he gets the place organised Edited July 23, 2018 by beyond our ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 26 minutes ago, Soctty said: When's the "Alan Stubbs Must Go" thread being unveiled? I'm pretty sure I started that the day he was appointed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soctty Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 35 minutes ago, Drew said: I'm pretty sure I started that the day he was appointed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soctty Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 39 minutes ago, beyond our ken said: That's a bit twisted, two days before an important part of your pre-season, which thousands have paid up-front to attend, is a time to be concentrating on getting the most out of a squad and a budget that the manager himself considers insufficient. You could believe me or you can ignore the facts. He can have all the time off he wants when he gets the place organised Two days before a preseason friendly. Unacceptable. One day. Having worked probably the vast majority of days in the previous 5 or 6 weeks since taking over, I think he was probably due and allowed a day off, without obsessive fans frothing at the mouth about it. It appears not... He can have time off right now, because that's how jobs work FFS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack the lad Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Soctty said: When's the "Alan Stubbs Must Go" thread being unveiled? Will it be a "marquee" one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargsBud Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 51 minutes ago, beyond our ken said: I heard from two trustworthy friends, one of whom is a saints fan, who met the pair at Carnoustie in the corporate hospitality area.. No idle chit chat here. Of course, everyone is allowed a day off, but there is a time and a place as well as a way to conduct yourself when enjoying hospitality What was wrong with the way he conducted himself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 Just now, Soctty said: Two days before a preseason friendly. Unacceptable. One day. Having worked probably the vast majority of days in the previous 5 or 6 weeks since taking over, I think he was probably due and allowed a day off, without obsessive fans frothing at the mouth about it. It appears not... He can have time off right now, because that's how jobs work FFS... So it's gone from "how do I know how many days he has worked" to your estimation of how many he has "probably" worked Dear, Dear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 minute ago, LargsBud said: What was wrong with the way he conducted himself? He whined to my friend about not getting a budget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soctty Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 39 minutes ago, beyond our ken said: So it's gone from "how do I know how many days he has worked" to your estimation of how many he has "probably" worked Dear, Dear! Nice to see we've narrowed your concerns down to this. My work is done... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted July 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 42 minutes ago, beyond our ken said: He whined to my friend about not getting a budget Most concerning thing about this is it suggests he didn't even ask about budgets during the interviews and took the job without knowing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 51 minutes ago, beyond our ken said: He whined to my friend about not getting a budget I think perhaps this remark should be taken with a pinch of salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 25 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: I think perhaps this remark should be taken with a pinch of salt. I think it should be taken at face value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 minute ago, beyond our ken said: I think it should be taken at face value We can agree to disagree. Handy that it shows up on a fans forum. If said then might have fulfilled it's purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Soctty said: Two days before a preseason friendly. Unacceptable. One day. Having worked probably the vast majority of days in the previous 5 or 6 weeks since taking over, I think he was probably due and allowed a day off, without obsessive fans frothing at the mouth about it. It appears not... He can have time off right now, because that's how jobs work FFS... Did I mention that I was at Corporate Hospitality once? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, magnus said: Did I mention that I was at Corporate Hospitality once? Really! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyg Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Soctty said: Two days before a preseason friendly. Unacceptable. One day. Having worked probably the vast majority of days in the previous 5 or 6 weeks since taking over, I think he was probably due and allowed a day off, without obsessive fans frothing at the mouth about it. It appears not... He can have time off right now, because that's how jobs work FFS... He can have the rest of the year off for all I care. Sincerely hope we have some sort of pay-off clause inserted in case he proves as awful an appointment as most of the support knew he would be ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: We can agree to disagree. Handy that it shows up on a fans forum. If said then might have fulfilled it's purpose. Two of our company solicitors were in the conversation, one of whom is a lifelong saints fan with no real axe to grind. he is an impeccable source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 Just now, billyg said: He can have the rest of the year off for all I care. Sincerely hope we have some sort of pay-off clause inserted in case he proves as awful an appointment as most of the support knew he would be ! Did you conduct a wide ranging Poll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, beyond our ken said: Two of our company solicitors were in the conversation, one of whom is a lifelong saints fan with no real axe to grind. he is an impeccable source. As one of my solicitor friends says. Solicitors are gentlemen by act of parliament, the rest of us have to work at it. Added that if made then being reported on here might just be what he wanted. Edited July 23, 2018 by St.Ricky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 Just now, St.Ricky said: As one of my solicitor friends says. Solicitors are gentlemen by act of parliament, the rest of us have to work at it. As one of my solicitor friends says "Not guilty your Honour" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 I'm quite Zen about it we're a yoyo team and if we're about to yo again then as the ever lovely Doris Day said...…………... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: As one of my solicitor friends says. Solicitors are gentlemen by act of parliament, the rest of us have to work at it. Added that if made then being reported on here might just be what he wanted. Pretty extreme to call me a liar and to infer the same about my friends. i never post rumours or so-called "in the know" nonsense on this forum. I expected that smug wee reply to be honest-at least you could have been a wee bit more imaginative with the comeback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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