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3 minutes ago, Sonny said:

I get that. The point is however the Club said they could not display that banner. And they did.

The club also insists its a 'Family Friendly' club, but gives the family stand over to the deluge of sectarian bile we saw/heard on Friday.

two wrongs dont make a right, but just like the fans... everyone has to choose a side.

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Just now, Lord Pityme said:

The club also insists its a 'Family Friendly' club, but gives the family stand over to the deluge of sectarian bile we saw/heard on Friday.

two wrongs dont make a right, but just like the fans... everyone has to choose a side.

But that is not what this thread is discussing.

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8 minutes ago, Doakes said:

Anyone in the group will confirm that I disagreed with the banner, but was a majority decision and I know why they made that decision. 

In Gordon's statement he mentioned that they cannot stop free speech, but also said that the banner was rejected. As far as I'm aware, there's never been any clear guidelines or rules about what banners they'll decline or accept. That's something I would like to discuss in private. Needs to be some level of trust built back up. At the moment, it's not there from either side.

Of course you can discuss it in private -Surely your discussion should be with the SLO? 

The SLO positiońs have been created to encourage dialogue. Use it. 

Tbey then deal with the board... No direct contact is needed. 

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I get that. The point is however the Club said they could not display that banner. And they did.
Yeah I get that. Looks like they feel that was the best way of getting their point across, particularly as the issue is with the police and also the club giving the police information. Unreasonable to protest at police hq as was suggested earlier IMO.

The current chairman has gone way OTT with his Statement, again only my opinion.
Phrases like 'political banner' and 'negative message' in relation to a 3 word banner emphasising they are fans not criminals is ridiculous particularly when, as others have pointed out, we sit on our hands when other fans bring pyro and sectarian chanting to our ground.
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I can see where you're coming from. There's points that could be debated in what you're saying but as I said before - my aim is to resolve this in private, with the club. Whether that's the SLO, Gordon or anyone else, it seems necessary to avoid this escalating any further than it already has...
Is that not the intended function of the SLO?
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Because it's a grievance against the police.
Surely it's in relation to how these fans are treated in the ground and in relation to their status as fans by said police which makes the ground the place to display their statement.
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6 minutes ago, Sonny said:

That would be up to the management to decide not the fans (although I agree with the sentiment but that is not the point).

Ah but it goes to the heart of censorship. It's a fitba stadium not a Bible study group. It's not all about the management. These young guys and girls are expressing opinions in a modern way. The Club has to be careful here or potentially lose a generation and be left with us old codgers.

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16 minutes ago, Paisley brazilians said:

Bizzies going through folks doors! Defamation of character!

Human rights evaded! 

Crowd fund boycotts!

Am i right in saying it's all over a banner.

No.  it's not about a banner. It's about respect. The guys followed the correct procedure through the SLO.  Rightly or wrongly they gained the impression that he thought the banner acceptable but when he put it to the board they made it clear that the answer was no.  The SLO passed this back to the group.  The group decided to ignore the board's ruling and this then led to the confiscation of the banner when displayed.  The group were clearly challenging the SLO and Board's authority. The thread itself asked for a board statement to be made (It  has been made)  and Guidance on what sort of banners would be likely to be acceot\le (This has been given).  The clear route now is for W7 to have ongoing discussions with the SLO on future banners.  Nothing complicated.  No need for new procedures. By the way we have an important match against Hamilton coming up. 

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27 minutes ago, Sonny said:

I am sure if I enter your home I have to abide by your house rules ie don't piss on the carpet or write on the walls. Are you depriving me of my Human Rights? No. It's your venue and you make the rules. Just like a cinema, shopping mall, museum and football stadium. St Mirren have all their behaviour policies displayed on their web site.

There isn't one about pissing on the carpet or writing on walls. .

Article 1 Right to Equality
Article 2 Freedom from Discrimination
Article 3 Right to Life, Liberty, Personal Security
Article 4 Freedom from Slavery
Article 5 Freedom from Torture and Degrading Treatment
Article 6 Right to Recognition as a Person before the Law
Article 7 Right to Equality before the Law
Article 8 Right to Remedy by Competent Tribunal
Article 9 Freedom from Arbitrary Arrest and Exile
Article 10 Right to Fair Public Hearing
Article 11 Right to be Considered Innocent until Proven Guilty
Article 12 Freedom from Interference with Privacy, Family, Home and Correspondence
Article 13 Right to Free Movement in and out of the Country
Article 14 Right to Asylum in other Countries from Persecution
Article 15 Right to a Nationality and the Freedom to Change It
Article 16 Right to Marriage and Family
Article 17 Right to Own Property
Article 18 Freedom of Belief and Religion
Article 19 Freedom of Opinion and Information
Article 20 Right of Peaceful Assembly and Association
Article 21 Right to Participate in Government and in Free Elections
Article 22 Right to Social Security
Article 23 Right to Desirable Work and to Join Trade Unions
Article 24 Right to Rest and Leisure
Article 25 Right to Adequate Living Standard
Article 26 Right to Education
Article 27 Right to Participate in the Cultural Life of Community
Article 28 Right to a Social Order that Articulates this Document
Article 29 Community Duties Essential to Free and Full Development
Article 30 Freedom from State or Personal Interference in the above Rights
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1 minute ago, saintnextlifetime said:

There isn't one about pissing on the carpet or writing on walls. .

Article 1 Right to Equality
Article 2 Freedom from Discrimination
Article 3 Right to Life, Liberty, Personal Security
Article 4 Freedom from Slavery
Article 5 Freedom from Torture and Degrading Treatment
Article 6 Right to Recognition as a Person before the Law
Article 7 Right to Equality before the Law
Article 8 Right to Remedy by Competent Tribunal
Article 9 Freedom from Arbitrary Arrest and Exile
Article 10 Right to Fair Public Hearing
Article 11 Right to be Considered Innocent until Proven Guilty
Article 12 Freedom from Interference with Privacy, Family, Home and Correspondence
Article 13 Right to Free Movement in and out of the Country
Article 14 Right to Asylum in other Countries from Persecution
Article 15 Right to a Nationality and the Freedom to Change It
Article 16 Right to Marriage and Family
Article 17 Right to Own Property
Article 18 Freedom of Belief and Religion
Article 19 Freedom of Opinion and Information
Article 20 Right of Peaceful Assembly and Association
Article 21 Right to Participate in Government and in Free Elections
Article 22 Right to Social Security
Article 23 Right to Desirable Work and to Join Trade Unions
Article 24 Right to Rest and Leisure
Article 25 Right to Adequate Living Standard
Article 26 Right to Education
Article 27 Right to Participate in the Cultural Life of Community
Article 28 Right to a Social Order that Articulates this Document
Article 29 Community Duties Essential to Free and Full Development
Article 30 Freedom from State or Personal Interference in the above Rights

FFS, somebody take away his internet. :snore

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