Sonny Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 55 minutes ago, magnus said: Would an "Alan Stubbs must go" banner be deemed as in support of the team? I would say yes. That would be up to the management to decide not the fans (although I agree with the sentiment but that is not the point). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sonny said: I get that. The point is however the Club said they could not display that banner. And they did. The club also insists its a 'Family Friendly' club, but gives the family stand over to the deluge of sectarian bile we saw/heard on Friday. two wrongs dont make a right, but just like the fans... everyone has to choose a side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suggestion Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 20 pages. Has anyone posted as to why fans not criminals is NOT football related as the club stated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, Lord Pityme said: The club also insists its a 'Family Friendly' club, but gives the family stand over to the deluge of sectarian bile we saw/heard on Friday. two wrongs dont make a right, but just like the fans... everyone has to choose a side. But that is not what this thread is discussing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, Suggestion said: 20 pages. Has anyone posted as to why fans not criminals is NOT football related as the club stated? Because it's a grievance against the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Doakes said: Anyone in the group will confirm that I disagreed with the banner, but was a majority decision and I know why they made that decision. In Gordon's statement he mentioned that they cannot stop free speech, but also said that the banner was rejected. As far as I'm aware, there's never been any clear guidelines or rules about what banners they'll decline or accept. That's something I would like to discuss in private. Needs to be some level of trust built back up. At the moment, it's not there from either side. Of course you can discuss it in private -Surely your discussion should be with the SLO? The SLO positiońs have been created to encourage dialogue. Use it. Tbey then deal with the board... No direct contact is needed. Edited September 18, 2018 by St.Ricky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 I get that. The point is however the Club said they could not display that banner. And they did.Yeah I get that. Looks like they feel that was the best way of getting their point across, particularly as the issue is with the police and also the club giving the police information. Unreasonable to protest at police hq as was suggested earlier IMO. The current chairman has gone way OTT with his Statement, again only my opinion. Phrases like 'political banner' and 'negative message' in relation to a 3 word banner emphasising they are fans not criminals is ridiculous particularly when, as others have pointed out, we sit on our hands when other fans bring pyro and sectarian chanting to our ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sonny said: But that is not what this thread is discussing. Unacceptable behaviour and banners at SMP, and the police/club reaction, or not... I think its bang on what the thread is about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 I can see where you're coming from. There's points that could be debated in what you're saying but as I said before - my aim is to resolve this in private, with the club. Whether that's the SLO, Gordon or anyone else, it seems necessary to avoid this escalating any further than it already has...Is that not the intended function of the SLO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Because it's a grievance against the police.Surely it's in relation to how these fans are treated in the ground and in relation to their status as fans by said police which makes the ground the place to display their statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 minute ago, BuddieinEK said: Is that not the intended function of the SLO? I think in this case now with trust totally decimated the SLO is between a rock & a hard place. Ultimately they are club employees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doakes Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: Surely your discussion should be with the SLO? I'll be contacting the SLO later on after work, see where we go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted September 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sonny said: That would be up to the management to decide not the fans (although I agree with the sentiment but that is not the point). Ah but it goes to the heart of censorship. It's a fitba stadium not a Bible study group. It's not all about the management. These young guys and girls are expressing opinions in a modern way. The Club has to be careful here or potentially lose a generation and be left with us old codgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Doakes said: I'll be contacting the SLO later on after work, see where we go from there. Wise move Doakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) Lets bring it home for the W7 team... Paisleys Finest.. The Fegs! (And other oppressed punks) hows about that then pop pickers..? Edited September 18, 2018 by Lord Pityme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paisley brazilians Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) Bizzies going through folks doors! Defamation of character! Human rights evaded! Protests against the police! Crowd fund boycotts! Am i right in saying it's all over a banner. Edited September 18, 2018 by Paisley brazilians Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Doakes said: I'll be contacting the SLO later on after work, see where we go from there. 1 minute ago, St.Ricky said: Wise move Doakes. He's only posting that tae shut you up Rick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, Lord Pityme said: He's only posting that tae shut you up Rick. I hope not. Always possibility but somehow I trust him. I hav been wong before! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: He's only posting that tae shut you up Rick. He'll have to try harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Arthur Blair Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 26 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: As Disco Harry used to say... "One for the Punks..!" But today for the W7 team... I prefer the original Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Paisley brazilians said: Bizzies going through folks doors! Defamation of character! Human rights evaded! Crowd fund boycotts! Am i right in saying it's all over a banner. No. it's not about a banner. It's about respect. The guys followed the correct procedure through the SLO. Rightly or wrongly they gained the impression that he thought the banner acceptable but when he put it to the board they made it clear that the answer was no. The SLO passed this back to the group. The group decided to ignore the board's ruling and this then led to the confiscation of the banner when displayed. The group were clearly challenging the SLO and Board's authority. The thread itself asked for a board statement to be made (It has been made) and Guidance on what sort of banners would be likely to be acceot\le (This has been given). The clear route now is for W7 to have ongoing discussions with the SLO on future banners. Nothing complicated. No need for new procedures. By the way we have an important match against Hamilton coming up. Edited September 18, 2018 by St.Ricky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Eric Arthur Blair said: I prefer the original I get the big boobed lassies dancin and stuff, but they almost make it cheery! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 27 minutes ago, Sonny said: I am sure if I enter your home I have to abide by your house rules ie don't piss on the carpet or write on the walls. Are you depriving me of my Human Rights? No. It's your venue and you make the rules. Just like a cinema, shopping mall, museum and football stadium. St Mirren have all their behaviour policies displayed on their web site. There isn't one about pissing on the carpet or writing on walls. . Article 1 Right to Equality Article 2 Freedom from Discrimination Article 3 Right to Life, Liberty, Personal Security Article 4 Freedom from Slavery Article 5 Freedom from Torture and Degrading Treatment Article 6 Right to Recognition as a Person before the Law Article 7 Right to Equality before the Law Article 8 Right to Remedy by Competent Tribunal Article 9 Freedom from Arbitrary Arrest and Exile Article 10 Right to Fair Public Hearing Article 11 Right to be Considered Innocent until Proven Guilty Article 12 Freedom from Interference with Privacy, Family, Home and Correspondence Article 13 Right to Free Movement in and out of the Country Article 14 Right to Asylum in other Countries from Persecution Article 15 Right to a Nationality and the Freedom to Change It Article 16 Right to Marriage and Family Article 17 Right to Own Property Article 18 Freedom of Belief and Religion Article 19 Freedom of Opinion and Information Article 20 Right of Peaceful Assembly and Association Article 21 Right to Participate in Government and in Free Elections Article 22 Right to Social Security Article 23 Right to Desirable Work and to Join Trade Unions Article 24 Right to Rest and Leisure Article 25 Right to Adequate Living Standard Article 26 Right to Education Article 27 Right to Participate in the Cultural Life of Community Article 28 Right to a Social Order that Articulates this Document Article 29 Community Duties Essential to Free and Full Development Article 30 Freedom from State or Personal Interference in the above Rights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 minute ago, saintnextlifetime said: There isn't one about pissing on the carpet or writing on walls. . Article 1 Right to Equality Article 2 Freedom from Discrimination Article 3 Right to Life, Liberty, Personal Security Article 4 Freedom from Slavery Article 5 Freedom from Torture and Degrading Treatment Article 6 Right to Recognition as a Person before the Law Article 7 Right to Equality before the Law Article 8 Right to Remedy by Competent Tribunal Article 9 Freedom from Arbitrary Arrest and Exile Article 10 Right to Fair Public Hearing Article 11 Right to be Considered Innocent until Proven Guilty Article 12 Freedom from Interference with Privacy, Family, Home and Correspondence Article 13 Right to Free Movement in and out of the Country Article 14 Right to Asylum in other Countries from Persecution Article 15 Right to a Nationality and the Freedom to Change It Article 16 Right to Marriage and Family Article 17 Right to Own Property Article 18 Freedom of Belief and Religion Article 19 Freedom of Opinion and Information Article 20 Right of Peaceful Assembly and Association Article 21 Right to Participate in Government and in Free Elections Article 22 Right to Social Security Article 23 Right to Desirable Work and to Join Trade Unions Article 24 Right to Rest and Leisure Article 25 Right to Adequate Living Standard Article 26 Right to Education Article 27 Right to Participate in the Cultural Life of Community Article 28 Right to a Social Order that Articulates this Document Article 29 Community Duties Essential to Free and Full Development Article 30 Freedom from State or Personal Interference in the above Rights FFS, somebody take away his internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: Was it the "your cheque is in the post" or "I promise... i will not cum in your mouth" line that got you? Sometimes I worry about you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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