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1 hour ago, Slarti said:


 

 


Low hospitalisations and deaths "implies that" the policies are working though. :whistle

 

I've just watched an epidemiologist from WHO on the Andrew Marr show, who was asked why cases are rising but hospitalisations are not. She said there were a number of factors. Mainly, increased testing means most of the new cases are people with mild disease, transmission is now more prevalent among younger, less at risk groups and treatment, even in the absence of a vaccine, is now much better. She advised Covid has a current fatality rate of 0.6%.

On lockdown, she said the key to controlling the spread was testing, tracing and isolating those ill, while everyone should comply with hygiene measures in their everyday interactions. She said lockdown was a method used by some governments to buy themselves time by improving health capacity and testing regimes, but indicated that at this stage of the pandemic they had little benefit.

Time we stopped restricting people's movement.

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And just to add, with a fatality rate of 0.6% but the government concerned if infection rates are at more than 1 in 5000, at that rate of infection, 1 in 800,000 are likely to die from Covid in Scotland.

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I really do find it intriguing that the infection rates are high again but the hospital admissions and deaths are not relative.

Something is not right with all of this - just seems to me that if this trend continues (minimum deaths and admissions) they absolutely HAVE to open everything up ASAP.

Enough is enough!!

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1 hour ago, Hendo said:

I've just watched an epidemiologist from WHO on the Andrew Marr show, who was asked why cases are rising but hospitalisations are not. She said there were a number of factors. Mainly, increased testing means most of the new cases are people with mild disease, transmission is now more prevalent among younger, less at risk groups and treatment, even in the absence of a vaccine, is now much better. She advised Covid has a current fatality rate of 0.6%.

On lockdown, she said the key to controlling the spread was testing, tracing and isolating those ill, while everyone should comply with hygiene measures in their everyday interactions. She said lockdown was a method used by some governments to buy themselves time by improving health capacity and testing regimes, but indicated that at this stage of the pandemic they had little benefit.

Time we stopped restricting people's movement.

Maybe if everyone could do that, then there would be no requirement for any lockdown.

Sadly, having house parties with 30-40 people makes it impossible to comply with the basic hygiene measures required. Especially when you factor in alcohol.

Like it or not, it's that type of arrogant idiocy that's driving lockdown, not getting your mate over to watch the football, whilst sitting at opposite ends of the room.

I do think the current restrictions and 14 day quarantine are OTT, but if the government do nothing you just know that the individuals whining most loudly at present will be the first to criticise them if it all goes tits up. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

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Bollox. 

I've just watched an epidemiologist from WHO on the Andrew Marr show, who was asked why cases are rising but hospitalisations are not. She said there were a number of factors. Mainly, increased testing means most of the new cases are people with mild disease, transmission is now more prevalent among younger, less at risk groups and treatment, even in the absence of a vaccine, is now much better. She advised Covid has a current fatality rate of 0.6%.

On lockdown, she said the key to controlling the spread was testing, tracing and isolating those ill, while everyone should comply with hygiene measures in their everyday interactions. She said lockdown was a method used by some governments to buy themselves time by improving health capacity and testing regimes, but indicated that at this stage of the pandemic they had little benefit.

Time we stopped restricting people's movement.

Did neither of you see the wee whistling emoji?

 

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On 9/12/2020 at 11:43 AM, oaksoft said:

I see from LJB's post quoting him that bazil is still behaving like a smug arsehole. 🙄

A view you hold only because of disagreements we've had... Meanwhile Oakster continues to lord his position of knowing far more than anyone guiding the government.  🤣

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19 hours ago, Sue Denim said:

As Sweden’s overall mortality this year is no different from previous years, their strategy obviously hasn’t cost any lives.

As for your second point, there have been 4,893 excess deaths in Scotland this year.

There have also been 3,225 non Covid excess deaths this year in care homes and homes. That’s 2/3s of the excess deaths. This is a fact. Source NRS.
 

Extrapolate that to the U.K. as a whole and you are talking 40,000 excess deaths caused by lockdown.

What is baseless is the notion that lockdown saved anyone 

 

It did though, you again cherry pick data as a way to make your warped points. Lockdown was the right call. 

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I’ve just finished self isolating after testing positive. Was ill for about 10 days, just felt like a really bad flu. Took the test on the off chance due to how long it was lasting. I suspect I got it via the weans most likely as there were positive cases at their school, and had hardly been out the two weeks prior to symptoms.

I was really disappointed with T&T, I got my results back on the Wednesday and it took until the Saturday for them to contact me for close contacts. They didn’t contact close contacts for another 2-3 days after, of which one of them finished their self isolation period on the same day!

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On 9/12/2020 at 1:13 PM, Slarti said:
On 9/12/2020 at 10:57 AM, Long John Baldy said:
Nobody rages at you, point and laugh but no rage. emoji1782.png

I wonder how he defines all those words in the post you quoted? Maybe, to him, he was saying "red smarties taste better than yellow smarties".

Prove it... 🤣

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1 hour ago, Tam M said:

I’ve just finished self isolating after testing positive. Was ill for about 10 days, just felt like a really bad flu. Took the test on the off chance due to how long it was lasting. I suspect I got it via the weans most likely as there were positive cases at their school, and had hardly been out the two weeks prior to symptoms.

I was really disappointed with T&T, I got my results back on the Wednesday and it took until the Saturday for them to contact me for close contacts. They didn’t contact close contacts for another 2-3 days after, of which one of them finished their self isolation period on the same day!

Hope your feeling better now. One of my colleagues caught it way back in March from her husband (works in NHS) he had a slight temperature for a day, she had all the symptoms and was floored for 10 days. She returned to work last week. Said she couldn’t believe how fatigued it made her feel, she could only walk to the end of the street before having to come home and lay down. That went on for about 8 weeks but now back to normal. Appears to effect people differently. 

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11 hours ago, RichardBuddie said:

I really do find it intriguing that the infection rates are high again but the hospital admissions and deaths are not relative.

Something is not right with all of this - just seems to me that if this trend continues (minimum deaths and admissions) they absolutely HAVE to open everything up ASAP.

Enough is enough!!

give it a while

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1 minute ago, ALBIONSAINT said:

Interesting article on why it may not be a good idea for everyone to just ditch the masks and lockdowns...

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/long-reads/long-haul-covid-19-post-viral-fatigue-syndrome-explained-573775

 

"Brain fog". That could have explained what happened to Boris, if he hadn't been like that before Covid.

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Guest TPAFKATS
I think if Benjamin Netanyahu is involved in doing something, it's probably not good.
I think he's a c**t.
Was this his idea though and what do you feel he has to gain from it?

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17 hours ago, Slarti said:

I've just been informed by PM that Baz must also have his own personal definition of the word "maybe". Hoodathunkit?

Oh Slarti, let's add satire to the list of things you don't understand... 

I realise you still have me on ignore but imagine my shock at the success in these posts somehow finding their way to you... 

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On 9/11/2020 at 2:01 PM, oaksoft said:

To anywhere near the same extent?

Of course not. Some are bringing in a nice comfy salary, not having to worry about where the next pay check is coming from and with no idea of the real world millions of others have to live in. Their smug, self righteous, armchair socialist opinions are of less merit than the millions of those who are struggling to work out how to put food on their table.

My comment is perfectly reasonable. The likes of TPAK thingy and bazil would be singing a different tune if they had lost their jobs and nobody will persuade me otherwise.

Of course no one would be able to convince you otherwise, you are largely incapable of considering other peoples feelings in your varying stances. My job situation is completely irrelevant to my thoughts on this pandemic, I will be far from the only one. And that will include the employed, self employed and unemployed. 

To have the view that being financially impacted will prevent someone from being in favour of government steps to save human life isn't just ludicrous, it's the behaviour of a sociopath. 

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